sleep and training

"Enoch" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I think that some of the problem might be the bed. I am realizing it
in my bed. I have not been getting the best night of sleep for a while
too. A while ago, I looked at my bed, and noticed that it was a little
warped. I have had this bed now for almost 7 years now. I am going to
look into getting a new bed. We have all seen the commercials about
the "Sleep number" or the NASA foam stuff. I wonder if that stuff will
actually work.

I have the "NASA foam stuff", and have professional experience with the
"Intelligel" stuff.

Start including the post, or part thereof, that you are responding to, and I
will share my experience.

David

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:15:26 +0000, Ellis <[email hidden]>

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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:43:44 -0800, "Selene" <[email hidden]>

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It appears these are all more helpful for people who are lacking or low in
these various items. IOW, if you get plenty of calcium in your diet, adding
calcium probably won't help you sleep. OTOH, you as an athlete (Ellis or
others) may need more than the "minimum recommended daily amount" for
whatever reason. That certainly seems to be the case with me and magnesium
and excercise-induced migraines (N=1).

"Athlete" - I like that :-)

I don't actually track calcium in my diet so could not tell you if I
was getting significantly more or less than the RDA.

I would rather try this than take my chances with the dodgy reported
side-effects of the melatonin, anyway :-)

Ellis

Really? What dodgy side effects would those be?

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Proton Soup

"Thanks for noticing that I didn't actually say anything." - Mike Lane

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:48:12 -0600, Proton Soup <[email hidden]>

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Really? What dodgy side effects would those be?

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/02/07_melatoninfin.shtml

Ellis

Ellis said:

Proton Soup said:

Really? What dodgy side effects would those be?

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/02/07_melatoninfin.shtml

This isn't exactly surprising news, but it isn't necessarily
negative, either. It has long been suspected that melatonin
and testosterone levels were directly interrelated within
the HPG axis, and it has long been known that melatonin and
testosterone levels wax and wane on alternating circadian
cycles. I have seen it posited that increased melatonin
levels (whether endogenous or exogenous), may result in
decreased nocturnal T levels but also cause higher peaks
in diurnal T levels when the melatonin levels drop.

JMW said:

Ellis said:

Proton Soup said:

Really? What dodgy side effects would those be?

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/02/07_melatoninfin.shtml

This isn't exactly surprising news, but it isn't necessarily
negative, either. It has long been suspected that melatonin
and testosterone levels were directly interrelated within
the HPG axis, and it has long been known that melatonin and
testosterone levels wax and wane on alternating circadian
cycles. I have seen it posited that increased melatonin
levels (whether endogenous or exogenous), may result in
decreased nocturnal T levels but also cause higher peaks
in diurnal T levels when the melatonin levels drop.

I realise that you're not responding to me per se, but I feel I should
point out that I'm just re-posting a link that Trygve posted. I don't
even take the stuff. Actually it's illegal over here (although not
that hard to come by, admittedly)

Ellis

"Enoch" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I think that some of the problem might be the bed. I am realizing it
in my bed. I have not been getting the best night of sleep for a while
too. A while ago, I looked at my bed, and noticed that it was a little
warped. I have had this bed now for almost 7 years now.

(Look, the post quoted. That's what we're looking for from you 'Enoch'😉

E -
I just remembered something last night regarding sleeping problems and
melatonin.

My doctor said something like, Light reduces melatonin in the body - that's
part of why you start waking up when it starts getting light. So if you're
having trouble sleeping, one of the things to evaluate is the darkness of
your bedroom. Sometimes a blackout curtain can help a lot.

Just thought I'd mention it,
Selene

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

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<[email hidden]> wrote:

Please share your experiences, I am currently shopping for a mattress.

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included nonetheless>

Where is Helgi's sig when you need it. Ahhh ($1 to g00gle)

Martin:

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.

Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

A: Top-posting.

Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

(several internet $$ to Helgi)

S.

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Please share your experiences, I am currently shopping for a mattress.

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Hmmm...top post. Well, I didn't specify quoting AND bottom post, so...

I love my memory foam mattress. Soft but supportive. Try an inexpensive
"topper" first...a 2ish inch piece you put on top of your current mattress.
If you like that, you can decide if you want to spring for the big bucks for
the full mattress.

"Intelligel" gel mattress. As advertised, they are used for high risk
hospitalized patients. I use them for neonates and, in small pieces, to
reduce pressure on specific areas of bigger patients. They are extremely
effective at reducing pressure, but I have never slept on one, so I can't
comment on their overall comfort.

David

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"Enoch" <[email hidden]> wrote

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We have all seen the commercials about
the "Sleep number" or the NASA foam stuff. I wonder if that stuff will
actually work.

I have the "NASA foam stuff", and have professional experience with the
"Intelligel" stuff.

Start including the post, or part thereof, that you are responding to, and
I
will share my experience.

David

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:35:00 GMT, "David Cohen"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Please share your experiences, I am currently shopping for a mattress.

<post, or part thereof included ... included at the bottom, but
included nonetheless>

Martin

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"Enoch" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

We have all seen the commercials about
the "Sleep number" or the NASA foam stuff. I wonder if that stuff will
actually work.

I have the "NASA foam stuff", and have professional experience with the
"Intelligel" stuff.

Start including the post, or part thereof, that you are responding to, and I
will share my experience.

David

David Cohen said:

I love my memory foam mattress. Soft but supportive.

I tried them in the mattress store, and they felt "odd".
However, you can only lie on them for a few minutes, and as I
understand it they respond to body heat.
So ... Two questions:

When you first lie down, does the mattress feel not quite comfy yet,
and get better as it warms up, or is the feel consistent from the
moment you lie down.

When you first got the mattress, did you love it from the get go, or
was there an adjustment period while you got used to it

Quoted message said:

Try an inexpensive
"topper" first...a 2ish inch piece you put on top of your current mattress.

Did some googling ... inexpensive is a relative term I guess ...
But thanks for the info ... I hadn't heard of the toppers before.

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If you like that, you can decide if you want to spring for the big bucks for
the full mattress.

"Intelligel" gel mattress. As advertised, they are used for high risk
hospitalized patients. I use them for neonates and, in small pieces, to
reduce pressure on specific areas of bigger patients. They are extremely
effective at reducing pressure, but I have never slept on one, so I can't
comment on their overall comfort.

David

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

I love my memory foam mattress. Soft but supportive.

I tried them in the mattress store, and they felt "odd".

Odd, sure, because they feel very different than any other type of mattress.
I adjusted to the "oddness" in mionutes.

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However, you can only lie on them for a few minutes, and as I
understand it they respond to body heat.
So ... Two questions:

When you first lie down, does the mattress feel not quite comfy yet,
and get better as it warms up, or is the feel consistent from the
moment you lie down.

When you first got the mattress, did you love it from the get go, or
was there an adjustment period while you got used to it

Within minutes, I loved it. You lovingnessabilitihood may vary.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Try an inexpensive
"topper" first...a 2ish inch piece you put on top of your current
mattress.

Did some googling ... inexpensive is a relative term I guess ...
But thanks for the info ... I hadn't heard of the toppers before.

If $99 is expensive, forget the full mattress, most of which run into 4
figures.

David

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David Cohen said:

Try an inexpensive
"topper" first...a 2ish inch piece you put on top of your current
mattress.

Did some googling ... inexpensive is a relative term I guess ...
But thanks for the info ... I hadn't heard of the toppers before.

I got my topper on overstock.com. They have 2" and I think I have even seen
3". Usually all the same price, despite size.
Kristen