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  1. I went a bit sideways this morning on roads covered in rubber particles and diesel, nicely
    lubricated with water. I put my feet down and stood up (wierd, the process of not-falling-off a
    recumbent bike) and kept going - I moved about three or four inches standing up! So I rode a bit
    slower after that. Hopefully a bit more rain has washed the crud away by now.

    We are moving into Coldrain, obviously.

    --
    Guy
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  2. you know? said:

    I went a bit sideways this morning on roads covered in rubber particles and diesel, nicely
    lubricated with water.

    From today's _New Scientist_ newscientist.comnews.jsp

    <cite> Downpour after drought raises road deaths

    19:00 10 September 03

    Rainy weather influences road deaths in a far more complicated way than previously thought. Rain
    does not increase the number of deaths in crashes, provided it rained the previous day. But a heavy
    shower after a dry spell causes a lethal surge in accidents

    ...

    Eisenberg suggests that during a drought, engine oil and grease build up so that when it rains the
    oil and water mix turns the road into a skidpan. And people are also not as prepared for these
    conditions after a long dry spell, he says.

    ...

    <cite>

    --
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    there is nothing left to add, but rather when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de
    Saint-Exupery

  3. Alan J. Wylie said:

    And people are also not as prepared for these conditions after a long dry spell, he says.

    No [censored], sherlock. Sometimes I wonder whether some of these scientists ever venture into the
    outside world.

  4. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I went a bit sideways this morning on roads covered in rubber particles and diesel, nicely
    lubricated with water. I put my feet down and stood up (wierd, the process of not-falling-off a
    recumbent bike) and kept going - I moved about three or four inches standing up! So I rode a bit
    slower after that. Hopefully a bit more rain has washed the crud away by now.

    We are moving into Coldrain, obviously.

    You were lucky, Guy. Two weeks ago my wife was caught in a massive downpour and came off, breaking
    her collarbone. She now has a plate and 5 screws in her shoulder. Mind you, A&E didn't ask if she
    was wearing a helmet (although that did get pretty mashed up)!

    Michael MacClancy

  5. Simon Proven <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Alan J. Wylie said:

    And people are also not as prepared for these conditions after a long dry spell, he says.

    No [censored], sherlock. Sometimes I wonder whether some of these scientists ever venture into the
    outside world.

    The funny thing is that many great things has been found out by trying to prove something obviously
    right to everyone and then by surprise prove it wrong.

    (and yes, I know, it might be the experiment, but not always)

    Nice days,

    Anders

  6. (Alan J. Wylie) said:
    you know? said:

    I went a bit sideways this morning on roads covered in rubber particles and diesel, nicely
    lubricated with water.

    From today's _New Scientist_ newscientist.comnews.jsp

    <cite> Downpour after drought raises road deaths

    19:00 10 September 03

    Rainy weather influences road deaths in a far more complicated way than previously thought. Rain
    does not increase the number of deaths in crashes, provided it rained the previous day. But a
    heavy shower after a dry spell causes a lethal surge in accidents

    This is _news_?

    Quoted message said:

    Eisenberg suggests that during a drought, engine oil and grease build up so that when it rains the
    oil and water mix turns the road into a skidpan.

    He's never noticed that before?

    For heaven's sake, I think I'd better write an atricle forthe New Scientist explaining my new theory
    that water is wet.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) jasmine.org.uk~simon

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    1/2/95 ;; Nobel Peace Prize laureate 1998; few have deserved it so much

  7. Alan J. Wylie wrote:

    [quote from New Scientist]

    Quoted message said:

    Rainy weather influences road deaths in a far more complicated way than previously thought. Rain
    does not increase the number of deaths in crashes, provided it rained the previous day. But a
    heavy shower after a dry spell causes a lethal surge in accidents

    Eisenberg suggests that during a drought, engine oil and grease build up so that when it rains the
    oil and water mix turns the road into a skidpan. And people are also not as prepared for these
    conditions after a long dry spell, he says.

    And that is *new*? My Dad taught me that when I was 17!

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  8. Quoted message said:

    I went a bit sideways this morning on roads covered in rubber particles and diesel, nicely
    lubricated with water.

    snippity...

    You may be interested in the following...

    <http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994148>

    "Downpour after drought raises road deaths

    19:00 10 September 03

    Rainy weather influences road deaths in a far more complicated way than previously thought. Rain
    does not increase the number of deaths in crashes, provided it rained the previous day. But a heavy
    shower after a dry spell causes a lethal surge in accidents.

    Daniel Eisenberg of the University of California, Berkeley, stumbled across the link while studying
    the dangers of driving under the influence of drugs. He knew that there are more accidents on rainy
    days and wanted to show that this factor was not influencing his results.

    But when Eisenberg calculated the annual and monthly figures for rainfall taken from the US Weather
    Service's 20,000 weather stations, and compared it with nearly 430,000 fatal crashes between 1975
    and 2000, he found that the number of deaths fell in rainy months.

    It was only when he looked at the daily figures that he found the expected result - a 1.2 per cent
    increase in the rate of fatal crashes with every centimetre of rain that falls.

    Engine oil and grease

    Eisenberg says the longer the dry period before it rains, the higher the number of deaths (see
    graph), so a dry month with a downpour can have more deaths than one with incessant drizzle.

    He found that the combination of a shower after a 21-day drought increased the number of fatalities
    nearly threefold. "I think my study is the first with large-scale data to show the magnitude of the
    effect," he says. The work will appear in Accident Prevention & Analysis.

    Eisenberg suggests that during a drought, engine oil and grease build up so that when it rains the
    oil and water mix turns the road into a skidpan. And people are also not as prepared for these
    conditions after a long dry spell, he says.

    Adrian Runacres, a forensic accident meteorologist at the UK's Transport Research Laboratory at
    Crowthorne, says that tests in the UK have confirmed that the build-up of dust and rubber from tyres
    can form a greasy film when it rains. "Also the crud that builds up blocks drainage paths between
    the chips on the surface of the road," he says.

    But Runacres says that the most important factor is probably motorists driving in heavy rain as
    though it were still dry, and tailgating other vehicles. Eisenberg says that highway authorities
    should warn motorists of the added danger when it rains after a drought.

    Mick Hamer"

    Cheers, helen s

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  9. "Alan J. Wylie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Eisenberg suggests

    But is he certain?

    --
    Guy
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  10. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Alan J. Wylie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Eisenberg suggests

    But is he certain?

    Over street ironworks -- Yes.

    And sit up straight and aspirate your H's young Jedi.

    T

  11. Just zis Guy said:

    "Alan J. Wylie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Eisenberg suggests

    But is he certain?

    Yes, but where he's certain he's unprincipled and where he's principled he's uncertain.

    Simon (probably)

    --
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    Public Relations person, I would probably ;; be sobbing on a desk right now" -- Rob Miller,
    editor, /.

  12. "Tony W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Eisenberg suggests


    But is he certain?

    Quoted message said:

    Over street ironworks -- Yes.

    Not plancks?

    I'll get me labcoat...

    --
    Guy
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  13. Rain's great.... Washes away the [censored] left behind by the h*dge tr*mm*rs. Another puncture today.

    Softens the thorns as well

    Richard Webb

  14. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Not plancks?

    I'll get me labcoat...

    This is getting to be a Bohr.

  15. [email hidden] (RJ Webb)typed

    Quoted message said:

    Rain's great.... Washes away the [censored] left behind by the h*dge tr*mm*rs. Another puncture today.

    Quoted message said:

    Softens the thorns as well

    Tends to lubricate thorns and shards so they penetrate rubber more easily, innit?

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  16. [email hidden] (RJ Webb)typed

    Quoted message said:

    Rain's great.... Washes away the [censored] left behind by the h*dge tr*mm*rs. Another puncture today.

    Quoted message said:

    Softens the thorns as well

    Tends to lubricate thorns and shards so they penetrate rubber more easily, innit?

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  17. "Tony W" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Not plancks?

    I'll get me labcoat...

    Quoted message said:

    This is getting to be a Bohr.

    I agree, it's enough Faraday...

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  18. "Tony W" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Not plancks?

    I'll get me labcoat...

    Quoted message said:

    This is getting to be a Bohr.

    I agree, it's enough Faraday...

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  19. "Tony W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Not plancks?

    I'll get me labcoat...

    This is getting to be a Bohr.

    That's put Niels in the coffin.

  20. Michael MacClancy said:

    "Tony W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Not plancks?

    I'll get me labcoat...

    This is getting to be a Bohr.

    That's put Niels in the coffin.

    Ja, zen off down ze pub fur Ein Stein or zwei

    IGMC

    Tony

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