Smock schmock

* The air of uk.rec.walking was filled with the delicate perfume
* of violets, as Tom <[email hidden]> descended on a shaft
* of golden sunlight, and announced:

Quoted message said:

Weight and pack size is quite important to me, enough to make me think
the special offer Berghaus Paclite Pro at Cotswold is too heavy and
bulky, despite being rather attractively priced at £99.

The Berghaus Paclite Pro (the 99 pounds oe as advertised by Cotswold) is 460
grams and packs into its stuffsac making a ball about 150mm in diameter. I
bought one last week and weighed it on a lab balance.

Regards: Jim Ford

On 18 Sep 2004 21:21:50 GMT, Jim Ford <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Weight and pack size is quite important to me, enough to make me think
the special offer Berghaus Paclite Pro at Cotswold is too heavy and
bulky, despite being rather attractively priced at £99.

The Berghaus Paclite Pro (the 99 pounds oe as advertised by Cotswold) is 460
grams and packs into its stuffsac making a ball about 150mm in diameter. I
bought one last week and weighed it on a lab balance.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant :-)

Tom

Tom said:

Is there any conventional wisdom on jackets vs smocks?

I'm on the verge of buying a paclite thing, but am torn between
Berghaus jacket and smock.

Weight and pack size is quite important to me, enough to make me think
the special offer Berghaus Paclite Pro at Cotswold is too heavy and
bulky, despite being rather attractively priced at £99.

Study both the Paclite Pro jacket and the smock carefully. Particularly the
design of the hoods.

When I last looked at them (last summer, when they were quite new in the
shops), the jacket had a different design of hood to the smock. I thought
the jacket hood design to be significantly inferior to the smock if you
intend it to work in a typical wet day on a UK hill. That would be enough
for me to make the decision between the two garments.

Having tried some smock clothing recently (fleece top, pertex windproof,
paclite waterproof), I don't see any huge advantage of jackets, except for
the additional pockets which most jacket designs include.

- Nigel

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* The air of uk.rec.walking was filled with the delicate perfume
* of violets, as Tom <[email hidden]> descended on a shaft
* of golden sunlight, and announced:

Quoted message said:

On 18 Sep 2004 21:21:50 GMT, Jim Ford <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Weight and pack size is quite important to me, enough to make me think
the special offer Berghaus Paclite Pro at Cotswold is too heavy and
bulky, despite being rather attractively priced at £99.

The Berghaus Paclite Pro (the 99 pounds oe as advertised by Cotswold) is 460
grams and packs into its stuffsac making a ball about 150mm in diameter. I
bought one last week and weighed it on a lab balance.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant :-)

Tom

But it's lighter than my other Gortex jacket - 707 grams!

Regards: Jim Ford

I can't comment on the jacket but I've got the smock and am happy with it.
It weighs in a 275g (including 11g stuffsack) on Post Office scales.

Cheers, Jiffy

On 18/9/04 10:06 pm, in article [email hidden],

Tom said:

Is there any conventional wisdom on jackets vs smocks?

I'm on the verge of buying a paclite thing, but am torn between
Berghaus jacket and smock.

Weight and pack size is quite important to me, enough to make me think
the special offer Berghaus Paclite Pro at Cotswold is too heavy and
bulky, despite being rather attractively priced at £99.

I like a lot of ventilation, and am going to be doing a bit of running
around in the garment.

This *had* led me to favour the increased ventilation of the jacket,
but I recently read something suggesting that a smock will have
increased breathability 'cos of no seams.

Any thoughts?

I like a well ventilated smock. So much so that when going through exactly
the same dilemma earlier this year I bought a Paramo Velez. I don't want to
be a Paramo bore but this really is a superb garment and with superb
ventilation is very comfortable - certainly more so than Paclite IMHE.

--
Andy Howell
Birmingham, UK

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Quoted message said:

I like a well ventilated smock. So much so that when going through

exactly

Quoted message said:

the same dilemma earlier this year I bought a Paramo Velez. I don't want

to

Quoted message said:

be a Paramo bore but this really is a superb garment and with superb
ventilation is very comfortable - certainly more so than Paclite IMHE.

I've got the Paramo Velez but I recently bought the Paclite smock. The
Paclite certainly does not replace the Paramo but it's ideal for days when
I'm spending most of the day walking in a base layer and carrying my
waterproof.

Jiffy

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:06:00 GMT, Andy Howell

andy.howellNOSPAM@ecotrendDOTorgDOTuk said:

On 18/9/04 10:06 pm, in article [email hidden],
"Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

I like a well ventilated smock. So much so that when going through exactly
the same dilemma earlier this year I bought a Paramo Velez. I don't want to
be a Paramo bore but this really is a superb garment and with superb
ventilation is very comfortable - certainly more so than Paclite IMHE.

Yeeesss, looks nice in all sorts of ways, but on my sums I could wear
three paclites and still be lighter than a Paramo......