So you guys think my kickstand needs a winter fender?!



"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jay Bollyn wrote:
>> Why would you think that?
>>
>> http://www.neiu.edu/~jbollyn/bike/winter/slushy-kickstand.jpg
>>
>> If every day were July, it would be so boring...
>
> Is there a hub brake on the BF, as the rim brake appears to have been
> removed?
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> POST FREE OR DIE!
>
I am currently using only a front brake, which is a rim brake. This is
working pretty well for me, since my understanding is, most bike braking
happens on the front wheel. And with my relatively slow riding style, riding
a well-known route, I am not doing much braking anyway.

Last summer, I had new wheels built, based on Sun Rhyno Lite XL rims, and
Shimano Deore XT hubs. I should have thought about different brakes at that
time, but because of my inexperience, it did not occur to me. Now I see that
the front wheel brake pads have scratched the black off the new rim, which
makes me unhappy, perhaps more than it should.

If I were to go with hub brakes, is it possible to retrofit onto my current
wheels, or would a reasonable person have a new wheel built, with an
appropriate hub for hub brakes?

One option I am considering; keep this BF as a spare bike, and use my tax
refund check for another BF, which would be my primary bike. The way I use a
bike as primary transportation, I really need at least two bikes anyway. In
case one needs to go into the shop for a couple days. With only one bike,
and no car, I am walking until I get the bike back from the shop, which
makes my head explode.

J.
 
On Jan 1, 2:46 pm, "Jay" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...> Jay Bollyn wrote:
> >> Why would you think that?
>
> >>http://www.neiu.edu/~jbollyn/bike/winter/slushy-kickstand.jpg
>
> >> If every day were July, it would be so boring...
>
> > Is there a hub brake on the BF, as the rim brake appears to have been
> > removed?
>
> > --
> > Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> > POST FREE OR DIE!
>
> I am currently using only a front brake, which is a rim brake. This is
> working pretty well for me, since my understanding is, most bike braking
> happens on the front wheel. And with my relatively slow riding style, riding
> a well-known route, I am not doing much braking anyway.
>
> Last summer, I had new wheels built, based on Sun Rhyno Lite XL rims, and
> Shimano Deore XT hubs. I should have thought about different brakes at that
> time, but because of my inexperience, it did not occur to me. Now I see that
> the front wheel brake pads have scratched the black off the new rim, which
> makes me unhappy, perhaps more than it should.
>
> If I were to go with hub brakes, is it possible to retrofit onto my current
> wheels, or would a reasonable person have a new wheel built, with an
> appropriate hub for hub brakes?
>
> One option I am considering; keep this BF as a spare bike, and use my tax
> refund check for another BF, which would be my primary bike. The way I use a
> bike as primary transportation, I really need at least two bikes anyway. In
> case one needs to go into the shop for a couple days. With only one bike,
> and no car, I am walking until I get the bike back from the shop, which
> makes my head explode.
>
> J.


How do you find having only a front brake in winter conditions? If I
had only one brake for my winter bike it would be the rear one! When
the going gets slippy you want to keep the front wheel turning and
slow down using the rear.

Of course, winter roads are often bone dry so then the usual braking
technique applies, so a non-fixed winter bike really needs both
brakes. But for control on slippery surfaces one should avoid the
front brake if possible.

Mark
 
Andrew Muzi wrote:
> ...
> What does "BF" mean?

Bike Friday.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
POST FREE OR DIE!
 
>> Jay Bollyn wrote:
>>> Why would you think that?
>>> http://www.neiu.edu/~jbollyn/bike/winter/slushy-kickstand.jpg
>>> If every day were July, it would be so boring...

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote
>> Is there a hub brake on the BF, as the rim brake appears to have been
>> removed?

Jay wrote:
> I am currently using only a front brake, which is a rim brake. This is
> working pretty well for me, since my understanding is, most bike braking
> happens on the front wheel. And with my relatively slow riding style, riding
> a well-known route, I am not doing much braking anyway.
>
> Last summer, I had new wheels built, based on Sun Rhyno Lite XL rims, and
> Shimano Deore XT hubs. I should have thought about different brakes at that
> time, but because of my inexperience, it did not occur to me. Now I see that
> the front wheel brake pads have scratched the black off the new rim, which
> makes me unhappy, perhaps more than it should.
>
> If I were to go with hub brakes, is it possible to retrofit onto my current
> wheels, or would a reasonable person have a new wheel built, with an
> appropriate hub for hub brakes?
>
> One option I am considering; keep this BF as a spare bike, and use my tax
> refund check for another BF, which would be my primary bike. The way I use a
> bike as primary transportation, I really need at least two bikes anyway. In
> case one needs to go into the shop for a couple days. With only one bike,
> and no car, I am walking until I get the bike back from the shop, which
> makes my head explode.

The black anodizing on your rim's brake track will not only wear away to
a beautiful and uniform natural aluminum band, but at that point your
brake will stop more effectively as well.
What does "BF" mean?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:46f9c53c-ab22-483d-9651-427f70c9016f@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 1, 2:46 pm, "Jay" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...> Jay Bollyn wrote:
>> >> Why would you think that?
>>
>> >>http://www.neiu.edu/~jbollyn/bike/winter/slushy-kickstand.jpg
>>
>> >> If every day were July, it would be so boring...
>>
>> > Is there a hub brake on the BF, as the rim brake appears to have been
>> > removed?
>>
>> > --
>> > Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>> > POST FREE OR DIE!
>>
>> I am currently using only a front brake, which is a rim brake. This is
>> working pretty well for me, since my understanding is, most bike braking
>> happens on the front wheel. And with my relatively slow riding style,
>> riding
>> a well-known route, I am not doing much braking anyway.
>>
>> Last summer, I had new wheels built, based on Sun Rhyno Lite XL rims, and
>> Shimano Deore XT hubs. I should have thought about different brakes at
>> that
>> time, but because of my inexperience, it did not occur to me. Now I see
>> that
>> the front wheel brake pads have scratched the black off the new rim,
>> which
>> makes me unhappy, perhaps more than it should.
>>
>> If I were to go with hub brakes, is it possible to retrofit onto my
>> current
>> wheels, or would a reasonable person have a new wheel built, with an
>> appropriate hub for hub brakes?
>>
>> One option I am considering; keep this BF as a spare bike, and use my tax
>> refund check for another BF, which would be my primary bike. The way I
>> use a
>> bike as primary transportation, I really need at least two bikes anyway.
>> In
>> case one needs to go into the shop for a couple days. With only one bike,
>> and no car, I am walking until I get the bike back from the shop, which
>> makes my head explode.
>>
>> J.
>
>
> How do you find having only a front brake in winter conditions? If I
> had only one brake for my winter bike it would be the rear one! When
> the going gets slippy you want to keep the front wheel turning and
> slow down using the rear.
>
> Of course, winter roads are often bone dry so then the usual braking
> technique applies, so a non-fixed winter bike really needs both
> brakes. But for control on slippery surfaces one should avoid the
> front brake if possible.
>
> Mark
>
I do not have any trouble braking, with only the front rim brake. Regardless
of summer,winter, wet, dry, etc. But I ride a regular daily route, on city
streets.

I don't recall where I read online, that many bikes have only a front brake.
So I just removed my rear rim brake, and have been happy evey since
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_brake_systems . One reason is, the
longer cable to the rear brake is more serpentine, and hense problematic,
than the more direct and shorter route to the front brake.

You do need to be careful not to flip over the handlebars, in a panic stop.
That did happen to me one time, but it was an extremely unusual situation.

In Chicago, the roads are wet and dry in both winter and summer. The main
seasonal difference is, winter is more dirty /grimey, and requires more
drive train maintenance.

J.
 
Jay Bollyn wrote:
>>>> Why would you think that?
>>>> http://www.neiu.edu/~jbollyn/bike/winter/slushy-kickstand.jpg
>>>> If every day were July, it would be so boring...

>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Is there a hub brake on the BF, as the rim brake appears to have been
>>> removed?

> "Jay" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I am currently using only a front brake, which is a rim brake. This is
>> working pretty well for me, since my understanding is, most bike braking
>> happens on the front wheel. And with my relatively slow riding style, riding
>> a well-known route, I am not doing much braking anyway.
>> Last summer, I had new wheels built, based on Sun Rhyno Lite XL rims, and
>> Shimano Deore XT hubs. I should have thought about different brakes at that
>> time, but because of my inexperience, it did not occur to me. Now I see that
>> the front wheel brake pads have scratched the black off the new rim, which
>> makes me unhappy, perhaps more than it should.
>> If I were to go with hub brakes, is it possible to retrofit onto my current
>> wheels, or would a reasonable person have a new wheel built, with an
>> appropriate hub for hub brakes?
>> One option I am considering; keep this BF as a spare bike, and use my tax
>> refund check for another BF, which would be my primary bike. The way I use a
>> bike as primary transportation, I really need at least two bikes anyway. In
>> case one needs to go into the shop for a couple days. With only one bike,
>> and no car, I am walking until I get the bike back from the shop, which
>> makes my head explode.

[email protected] wrote:
> How do you find having only a front brake in winter conditions? If I
> had only one brake for my winter bike it would be the rear one! When
> the going gets slippy you want to keep the front wheel turning and
> slow down using the rear.
>
> Of course, winter roads are often bone dry so then the usual braking
> technique applies, so a non-fixed winter bike really needs both
> brakes. But for control on slippery surfaces one should avoid the
> front brake if possible.

If you are comfortable with a rear brake, so be it. Others find rear
brakes prone to skidding or sliding and a front caliper alone perfectly
adequate.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
 
"A Muzi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jay Bollyn wrote:
>>>>> Why would you think that?
>>>>> http://www.neiu.edu/~jbollyn/bike/winter/slushy-kickstand.jpg
>>>>> If every day were July, it would be so boring...
>
>>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Is there a hub brake on the BF, as the rim brake appears to have been
>>>> removed?
>
>> "Jay" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I am currently using only a front brake, which is a rim brake. This is
>>> working pretty well for me, since my understanding is, most bike braking
>>> happens on the front wheel. And with my relatively slow riding style,
>>> riding
>>> a well-known route, I am not doing much braking anyway.
>>> Last summer, I had new wheels built, based on Sun Rhyno Lite XL rims,
>>> and
>>> Shimano Deore XT hubs. I should have thought about different brakes at
>>> that
>>> time, but because of my inexperience, it did not occur to me. Now I see
>>> that
>>> the front wheel brake pads have scratched the black off the new rim,
>>> which
>>> makes me unhappy, perhaps more than it should.
>>> If I were to go with hub brakes, is it possible to retrofit onto my
>>> current
>>> wheels, or would a reasonable person have a new wheel built, with an
>>> appropriate hub for hub brakes?
>>> One option I am considering; keep this BF as a spare bike, and use my
>>> tax
>>> refund check for another BF, which would be my primary bike. The way I
>>> use a
>>> bike as primary transportation, I really need at least two bikes anyway.
>>> In
>>> case one needs to go into the shop for a couple days. With only one
>>> bike,
>>> and no car, I am walking until I get the bike back from the shop, which
>>> makes my head explode.
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>> How do you find having only a front brake in winter conditions? If I
>> had only one brake for my winter bike it would be the rear one! When
>> the going gets slippy you want to keep the front wheel turning and
>> slow down using the rear.
>>
>> Of course, winter roads are often bone dry so then the usual braking
>> technique applies, so a non-fixed winter bike really needs both
>> brakes. But for control on slippery surfaces one should avoid the
>> front brake if possible.
>
> If you are comfortable with a rear brake, so be it. Others find rear
> brakes prone to skidding or sliding and a front caliper alone perfectly
> adequate.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> www.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
If I were racing, it would be a different issue. But I just poke along as a
city bike commuter, at 10-15 mph, along a well known route. I always try to
look ahead, and slow my cadence when necessary, to avoid applying the brake.
I have never regretted removing the rear brake. I think of it as being (leg)
energy efficient. If it takes a minute longer to get there, that's OK.

J.
 
Jay Bollyn wrote:
>
> I do not have any trouble braking, with only the front rim brake. Regardless
> of summer,winter, wet, dry, etc. But I ride a regular daily route, on city
> streets.
>
> I don't recall where I read online, that many bikes have only a front brake.

Those are usually fixies, that can apply some braking force to the rear
wheel through the drive train.

> So I just removed my rear rim brake, and have been happy evey since
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_brake_systems . One reason is, the
> longer cable to the rear brake is more serpentine, and hense problematic,
> than the more direct and shorter route to the front brake.
>
> You do need to be careful not to flip over the handlebars, in a panic stop.
> That did happen to me one time, but it was an extremely unusual situation.
>
> In Chicago, the roads are wet and dry in both winter and summer. The main
> seasonal difference is, winter is more dirty /grimey, and requires more
> drive train maintenance.

A SRAM S7 hub would provide plenty of gearing range for Chicagoland
commuting, and would reduce drive train maintenance. Getting the I-Brake
version would provide a brake that is not affected by the slop and
grime. The I-Brake will work with your existing brake levers.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
POST FREE OR DIE!
 
Tom Sherman wrote:
> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>> ...
>> What does "BF" mean?
>
> Bike Friday.
>

Well I'm glad you cleared that up.
I suppose a MF is a Man Friday. ;-)


Marcus
 
Marcus Coles wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>> ...
>>> What does "BF" mean?
>>
>> Bike Friday.
>>
>
> Well I'm glad you cleared that up.
> I suppose a MF is a Man Friday. ;-)

It's all in the context!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
POST FREE OR DIE!
 
On Jan 1, 6:12 pm, A Muzi <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jay Bollyn wrote:
> >>>> Why would you think that?
> >>>>http://www.neiu.edu/~jbollyn/bike/winter/slushy-kickstand.jpg
> >>>> If every day were July, it would be so boring...
> >> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote
> >>> Is there a hub brake on the BF, as the rim brake appears to have been
> >>> removed?
> > "Jay" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I am currently using only a front brake, which is a rim brake. This is
> >> working pretty well for me, since my understanding is, most bike braking
> >> happens on the front wheel. And with my relatively slow riding style, riding
> >> a well-known route, I am not doing much braking anyway.
> >> Last summer, I had new wheels built, based on Sun Rhyno Lite XL rims, and
> >> Shimano Deore XT hubs. I should have thought about different brakes at that
> >> time, but because of my inexperience, it did not occur to me. Now I see that
> >> the front wheel brake pads have scratched the black off the new rim, which
> >> makes me unhappy, perhaps more than it should.
> >> If I were to go with hub brakes, is it possible to retrofit onto my current
> >> wheels, or would a reasonable person have a new wheel built, with an
> >> appropriate hub for hub brakes?
> >> One option I am considering; keep this BF as a spare bike, and use my tax
> >> refund check for another BF, which would be my primary bike. The way I use a
> >> bike as primary transportation, I really need at least two bikes anyway. In
> >> case one needs to go into the shop for a couple days. With only one bike,
> >> and no car, I am walking until I get the bike back from the shop, which
> >> makes my head explode.
> [email protected] wrote:
> > How do you find having only a front brake in winter conditions? If I
> > had only one brake for my winter bike it would be the rear one! When
> > the going gets slippy you want to keep the front wheel turning and
> > slow down using the rear.
>
> > Of course, winter roads are often bone dry so then the usual braking
> > technique applies, so a non-fixed winter bike really needs both
> > brakes. But for control on slippery surfaces one should avoid the
> > front brake if possible.
>
> If you are comfortable with a rear brake, so be it. Others find rear
> brakes prone to skidding or sliding and a front caliper alone perfectly
> adequate.
> --
> Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I am indeed comfortable with that brake, but it's not the only one on
my winter bike. ;) Don't forget, I'm only taking about slippery
winter conditions when you may not want to impair the front wheel's
rotation. Having the rear end slide a bit is usually controllable,
while having the front wash out often means you go down.

Here in snowy Ottawa I've already had quite a few situations where I'm
glad I was able to avoid using the front brake for skid control
purposes. But if I ONLY had a front brake I would've been forced to
use it, with perhaps less desirable results. I'm sure others do just
fine in winter without both brakes, but I commute with my bike, often
towing a trailer, so I prefer not to limit my options (this includes
also using a studded front tire).

Mark
 
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