some questions??

Well, the fact that most of the posters here are following a low carb way of
eating should indicate that we think it is the healthiest way to eat. I
don't see how people on his type of diet can get sufficient protein.

In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| Hi, I follow low carb and feel great and am happy. Now here is my
| question, my brother in law who I just saw at Christmas, has been on
| the Raw Foods Diet. He eats no meat. I was very interested in his
| diet so I looked up some info and basically it seems to me to be
| vegatarian organic type diet with a lot of raw fruit and veggies.
| They say this a healthy diet. What is your opinion of this diet
| compared to a low carb diet??? What to you think is healthier and
| better. I can tell you my brother in law looked skinny pale and sick
| to me but he says he feels great.

They can, but it takes quite a bit of careful planning. People are
quite adaptable and can live off a variety of diets, I just think
low-carb is healthiest because it's pretty easy to get most of the
nutrients we need. No matter what diet a person follows, most likely
they're not going to be 100% perfect all the time, so like, on low-carb,
let's say for a few days you don't eat as many vegetables as you should,
you're probably not going to faint or anything, you just might get a
little backed up. But on raw food vegan diets, if you're not vigilant
about your protein, you can feel some intense effects pretty quickly.

In article <[email hidden]>,

FOB said:

Well, the fact that most of the posters here are following a low carb way of
eating should indicate that we think it is the healthiest way to eat. I
don't see how people on his type of diet can get sufficient protein.

In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| Hi, I follow low carb and feel great and am happy. Now here is my
| question, my brother in law who I just saw at Christmas, has been on
| the Raw Foods Diet. He eats no meat. I was very interested in his
| diet so I looked up some info and basically it seems to me to be
| vegatarian organic type diet with a lot of raw fruit and veggies.
| They say this a healthy diet. What is your opinion of this diet
| compared to a low carb diet??? What to you think is healthier and
| better. I can tell you my brother in law looked skinny pale and sick
| to me but he says he feels great.

thanks, by the way luna you look great!!!

This is generally off topic for a low-carb newsgroup, but the question was
asked... so...

Raw food diets are greatly misunderstood. I've been raw now
for 7 months, and have never felt better in my life. It's a very
cleansing, detoxing diet and sets the body to its natural state. There
are now several raw food retreats in north America, where people have gone
to seek healing from fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, and other disorders.

If you look at http://www.alissacohen.com and see pictures of the muscular
Alissa Cohen, who shows that raw food is not about malnourishment and
starvation.

As well, the well toned, muscular Storm "Nutman" Talifero on
http://www.thegardendiet.com - he's been raw for over 30 years. His wife
and family are raised raw, and they are producing a film that will be in
theatres all about the raw lifestyle.

Over the past few months I've watched Carlene Jones's transformation, and
she now has a website http://www.ibeatobesity.com and teaches others.

From a Christian viewpoint www.thehallelujahdiet.com (I think that's the
link) has been around for years. It's high-raw to 100%

Like I said, it's off-topic for a low-carb group (sort of), but I
thought I'd supply the above links for first-hand info, and people can see
that it is a valid diet, high in nutrition.

Crafting Mom wrote:
|| This is generally off topic for a low-carb newsgroup, but the
|| question was asked... so...
||
|| Raw food diets are greatly misunderstood. I've been raw now
|| for 7 months, and have never felt better in my life. It's a very
|| cleansing, detoxing diet and sets the body to its natural state.

What do you mean by "detoxing" and "sets the body to its natural state?"
(Enqiring minds want to know).
It sounds like a new-age philosophy rather than a science. -- but I'm
open to new ideas if you can explain the science.
It's just that it sounds suspiciously like the "colon-cleansing" thing that
was promoted almost fanatically a few years ago as a boon to health -- which
turned out to be pure nonsense.
--
Peter

Thanks, crafting mom, I find reading these site interesting. I am
following low carb and really feel great , but I am interested in
learning this diet. This topic is very interesting. I honestly think
it would be an impossible lifestyle for me but I wonder if the heath
claim are true????

Quoted message said:

Thanks, crafting mom, I find reading these site interesting. I am
following low carb and really feel great , but I am interested in
learning this diet. This topic is very interesting. I honestly think
it would be an impossible lifestyle for me but I wonder if the heath
claim are true????

Well, I feel much better, and I had a number of chronic complaints. There
are some women who, under the guidance of their endocrinologists,
while eating high-raw to 100% raw, have been able to gradually wean off
their thyroid meds. I'm hoping to get to that state, myself.

Marengo said:

Crafting Mom wrote:
|| This is generally off topic for a low-carb newsgroup, but the
|| question was asked... so...
||
|| Raw food diets are greatly misunderstood. I've been raw now
|| for 7 months, and have never felt better in my life. It's a very
|| cleansing, detoxing diet and sets the body to its natural state.

What do you mean by "detoxing" and "sets the body to its natural state?"
(Enqiring minds want to know).

Similar to the "detox" that is felt when one first enters a low-carb diet
(which I've heard described on this group).

There are a lot of articles which address how the human body is supposed
to be in its natural state, i.e. self-healing and resistant to disease, on
http://www.rawschool.com/philosophy.htm that explains it better than I can
and is less redundant. This woman, like myself, is also opposed to
colonics and all that garbage. I don't, however have as extreme a diet as
this woman.

Quoted message said:

It sounds like a new-age philosophy rather than a science. -- but I'm
open to new ideas if you can explain the science.

Well, I have heard people on this group who have gone low-carb (including
myself), describe their taste buds as being "reset" when they wean
themselves off sugary foods, and that all kinds of foods taste new to
them. That's one aspect of the body. This has happened with me. I used
to get colds, headaches, and flu rather easily, and now I don't.

The websites I pointed to do have a lot of valuable information about
raw diets, both scientific and firsthand. My belief however is that the
human body is not meant to be an unending host for all kinds of active
diseases.

I'm not into new-agey type mantras, I just feel better, and it's winter
and I've not had a cold or the flu like I usually do (I had no flu shot
either). If you are indeed genuinely curious, I have supplied a great
deal of websites with articles from people who have "been there" longer
than I have.

Here is one more:
http://www.rawfamily.com

I've seen how low-carb diets get a lot of bad press and false reports
(e.g. couple who goes into a buffet and eats only a zillion slabs of beef
claiming they are "On Atkins", girl dying of "Atkins diet" who ate only
meat for a year or something... ) and unfortunately raw diets have
received a lot of the same.

Eating un-altered food (as much as can be considered "unaltered"😉 in this
day and age is rather strange and unconventional, and I don't expect
everyone to understand or agree. It's not mainstream.

thanks for all the great sites, however I am still confused to this way
of eating. I guess my question is, how is this way of eating better
than a low carb way of eating??? I mean this raw food diets claims
optimum and great health and all these people say they feel great so
how dio you know which is actually better??? I guess I need to read
these sites more. Thanks

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Quoted message said:

Hi, I follow low carb and feel great and am happy. Now here is my
question, my brother in law who I just saw at Christmas, has been on
the Raw Foods Diet. He eats no meat. I was very interested in his
diet so I looked up some info and basically it seems to me to be
vegatarian organic type diet with a lot of raw fruit and veggies. They
say this a healthy diet. What is your opinion of this diet compared to
a low carb diet??? What to you think is healthier and better. I can
tell you my brother in law looked skinny pale and sick to me but he
says he feels great.

You could combine the benefits of both diets by eating enough fat and
protein that is recommended on low carb, and eating raw veggies/low starch
fruits. Paleo diets come to mind.

Quoted message said:

thanks for all the great sites, however I am still confused to this way
of eating. I guess my question is, how is this way of eating better
than a low carb way of eating??? I mean this raw food diets claims
optimum and great health and all these people say they feel great so
how dio you know which is actually better??? I guess I need to read
these sites more. Thanks

What I did was a 30-day experiment (which the website
http://www.alissacohen.com recommends) of eating ONLY raw foods, 100%,
no "a little of this or that", freely and abundantly, and then decided
from there if I wanted to keep going. I did.

I'm not saying "raw is better than low-carb", because for many here,
low-carb (Atkins for example) is a very sensible diet. I believe it's one
of the more acceptable of the mainstream diets due to the fact that it
supports real-food eating. There is no such thing as one size fits all,
even among raw fooders you'll find differing opinions on what is best.

Its similar in some respects to a paleo-type diet, you can eat anything
and everything as long as it's preferable to the taste buds and digestive
system in it's raw state. When available and affordable, I eat organic
produce.

There are some raw-foodists who eat meat as well (like Carol Alt describes
in her book) although I don't. But you can do digging about and find out
what is best for you. It's a lifelong journey,

Do a bit of digging about, experiment on yourself, as only you know your
own body.

regards,
CM

Quoted message said:

thanks for all the great sites, however I am still confused to this way
of eating. I guess my question is, how is this way of eating better
than a low carb way of eating??? I mean this raw food diets claims
optimum and great health and all these people say they feel great so
how dio you know which is actually better??? I guess I need to read
these sites more. Thanks

If an ancient diet such as "paleolithic" is somehow "natural"...

Then going back to the time before humans leaned to use fire and cook
meat and veggies would be even more natural....

Can I say Naturaler...?

One can conjecture that man and woman did not evolve with all that much
fire in the food preparation of the diet. Therefore, cooked food is
"unnatural".

You will therefore be healthier if you eat raw food, at least veggies.

--
1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book
2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
3) Don't Diet Without Supplimental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
book
4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)

Quoted message said:

Hi, I follow low carb and feel great and am happy.

Then stick with it. Are you asking the below for academic
reasons, to look into ways of improving your already good
situation, or to give yourself doubts ("feel great and am
happy" is not a sign of problems).

Quoted message said:

Now here is my
question, my brother in law who I just saw at Christmas, has been on
the Raw Foods Diet. He eats no meat.

Note that if you want to incorporate good parts of his plan
into yours you could start having most/all of your veggies
raw. It wouldn't change their carb content much and the
few veggies that *must* be cooked to be edible, would it
be all that bad to avoid them much of the time? Besides,
raw veggies are great once you've gotten used to them. I've
been having a fist sized portion of some raw veggie at
lunch for years and I love it.

Quoted message said:

I was very interested in his
diet so I looked up some info and basically it seems to me to be
vegatarian organic type diet with a lot of raw fruit and veggies. They
say this a healthy diet.

Everyone says their diet is healthy. A lot of the claims are
actually true. In this case I don't doubt their claims. But
consider - Does that fact that one type of diet is healthy
imply that no other types of diet are healthy? Of course not!
There are *many* ways to eat that are healthy. You're on
one. He's on another.

Quoted message said:

What is your opinion of this diet compared to
a low carb diet???

Since both are healthy let's consider other factors. Is he ever
hungry? Are you? How hard does he have to work at his plan?
How easy is your plan?

Quoted message said:

What to you think is healthier

Since I think both are good that's a loaded question. Since
this is a low carb support group not a vegitarian support
group my bias favors low carb. Just don't imagine that I am
so nuts as to say: Since low carb is healthy, then all other
plans must be worse. I'm gung ho pro-low-carb but I'm not
an idiot about it. I'm well aware that other ways work just
fine.

Quoted message said:

and better.

Compare amount of work and amount of hunger. How hard is
it for you to plan complete nutrition on your plan? Some meat,
some veggies, some other stuff, handled. How hard is it for
him? Special formulas for complete protein (vs having a couple
of eggs and t's handled), stunts for keep from getting hungry on
a low fat plan (vs making it through the early carb cravings
and they go away).

Quoted message said:

I can
tell you my brother in law looked skinny pale and sick to me but he
says he feels great.

There ya go. If you ever want to feel great but look skinny
pale and sick, now you know exactly what to do to acheive that.
So, DO you want to look skinny pale and sick? It's a question
that will be on the test. You have to pass the test before moving
on to the next grade in diet school. ;^)

"jbuch" <jbuch@CUT_HERE.revealed.net> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

thanks for all the great sites, however I am still confused to this way
of eating. I guess my question is, how is this way of eating better
than a low carb way of eating??? I mean this raw food diets claims
optimum and great health and all these people say they feel great so
how dio you know which is actually better??? I guess I need to read
these sites more. Thanks

If an ancient diet such as "paleolithic" is somehow "natural"...

Then going back to the time before humans leaned to use fire and cook meat
and veggies would be even more natural....

Veggies are natural? Do you have any idea how much genetic engineering and
breeding have played in nearly every type of fruit and vegetable we have?
You think wild apples and cherries are as sweet as farmed ones are?

Unless you live out in the middle of nowhere and eat 100% wilderness found
food, you are not eating what man found on his dinner plate thousands of
years ago.

jbuch said:

If an ancient diet such as "paleolithic" is somehow "natural"...

That's the speculation. Lacking the ability to put humans on
forced diets their entire lives and do statistical counts on the
lifespan data, speculation is all we'll be able to have at this point.

Quoted message said:

Then going back to the time before humans leaned to use fire and cook
meat and veggies would be even more natural....

Can I say Naturaler...?

One can conjecture that man and woman did not evolve with all that much
fire in the food preparation of the diet. Therefore, cooked food is
"unnatural".

There's an evolutionary principle that once a species has eaten
a diet for 5 million years it has evolved so that's its ideal diet.
Five million years ago human ancestors were freshly out of the
forests switching from 90% fruit to a mix of root veggies and
flesh. The human diet has *not* held steady for that long so
we have not evolved an ideal diet.

Consider that fire has been in use about 1-2 miliion years.
That is long enough for plenty of evolution to happen. But
grain has been in use for 10-20 thousand years and that is
so short grain still causes diabetes in human populations.

Quoted message said:

You will therefore be healthier if you eat raw food, at least veggies.

Phrased that way it works very well.

Consider the paleo principle - If you can get it with no technology
more advanced than a sharp stick and if you can eat it raw with
no ill effects, go ahead and eat it. But since our ancestors had
fire the entire length of the stone age, feel free to eat it raw or
cook it.

Stuff cooking does - cooked meat spoils slower than raw, cooked
roots have more digestible starch and less fiber than raw, cooked
food is ofter than raw so people with bad teeth can eat it better,
cooking food kills parasites so even food that started somewhat
spoiled while raw is edible cooked, cooking can trash vitamins,
roasting can't leech minerals but boiling can, excess cooking
can increase cancinogens while excess rawness can mean a
plant food still toxic. A lot of cooked stuff tastes better but most
raw stuff tastes fine. No such thing as raw canned food so
forget the raw stuff if you're in Antarctica. I could probably think
of a lot more differences ...

Joe -

You missed the sarcasm in what I wrote

<sarcasm On>

Another odd diet - another base of influence and power, and maybe even a
little cold hard cash income.

</Sarcasm OFF>

I also read "Guns, Germs and Steel" which talks about the great time and
effort that often goes into domesticating a food.

So, the "RAW" diet, for maximum evolutionary effect, should be foods
gathered by hand in the wild, and eaten raw.... Oh, the sarcasm was on
for that last sentence.

Jim

Joe the Aroma said:

"jbuch" <jbuch@CUT_HERE.revealed.net> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

thanks for all the great sites, however I am still confused to this way
of eating. I guess my question is, how is this way of eating better
than a low carb way of eating??? I mean this raw food diets claims
optimum and great health and all these people say they feel great so
how dio you know which is actually better??? I guess I need to read
these sites more. Thanks

If an ancient diet such as "paleolithic" is somehow "natural"...

Then going back to the time before humans leaned to use fire and cook meat
and veggies would be even more natural....

Veggies are natural? Do you have any idea how much genetic engineering and
breeding have played in nearly every type of fruit and vegetable we have?
You think wild apples and cherries are as sweet as farmed ones are?

Unless you live out in the middle of nowhere and eat 100% wilderness found
food, you are not eating what man found on his dinner plate thousands of
years ago.

--
1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book
2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
3) Don't Diet Without Supplimental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
book
4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)

wow some great thinking here!!! Well I got my answer from Doug, yes I
am happy and not hungry!! You people are terriffic!!! I find the
facts here so great I wish I had your brains some of you! Right on
Doug. Maralyn