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  1. "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare, Hamlet.

    The ongoing conflict between the medical fraternity and
    proponents of alternative medicine does not help the sick
    person, who usually simply wants to get well again by the
    best possible means. Can one unquestioningly follow one's
    doctor's advice or is there a valid foundation for some of
    the accusations leveled against conventional medicine? A few
    examples can throw some light on this issue:

    1) Hormone replacement therapy. Recent studies have
    confirmed previous suspicions that hormone replacement
    therapy significantly increases the risk of cancer.
    Cancer is extremely serious and life threatening, unlike
    hot flushes and other symptoms of menopause that are only
    temporary and can be alleviated by safe alternative means
    such as a controlled diet, herbal supplements and
    exercise. But hormone replacement therapy continues to be
    prescribed by doctors and marketed by drug companies on a
    large scale.

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-term
    survival rate with these therapies is poor. This is not
    surprising since chemotherapy is a poison that attacks
    not only the tumour but also the whole body, while doing
    nothing to eliminate the cause of cancer. It often does
    more harm than good. Yet most doctors and oncologists
    persist with these treatments only, and do not even
    mention simple steps relating to diet, internal
    detoxification, exercise and emotional uncluttering that
    can at best be life saving and at least do no harm.

    3) Circumcision. When carried out in a crude fashion on
    young men in third world areas as part of initiation
    ceremonies, this is condemned. Yet, under clinical
    circumstances, the same procedure is widely inflicted on
    babies by western doctors, being offered to parents as an
    option. Millions, apart from those for whom it is a
    religious rite, have been subjected to this procedure
    which has only harmful effects. This obvious abuse of
    human rights, where a child's body is mutilated without
    him having any say in the matter, has for decades
    received the silent approval of medical associations.

    These are only some examples showing that there is indeed
    cause for alarm. To conclude: one cannot implicitly put
    one's health in the care of doctors and be assured of
    receiving the best treatment (not necessarily the most
    expensive or high-tech one). Consequently each person should
    take personal control of his own health, do his or her own
    research, and make his or her own decisions.

    The rapidly growing move towards alternative practitioners
    is a direct result of the fact that: Something is rotten in
    the state of Medicine.

    Christopher Browne.

  2. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Something is rotten...
    From: "C W Browne" [email hidden]
    Date: 3/10/2004 8:00 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare, Hamlet.

    Very well said, very true.

    Jan

    Quoted message said:

    The ongoing conflict between the medical fraternity and
    proponents of alternative medicine does not help the sick
    person, who usually simply wants to get well again by the
    best possible means. Can one unquestioningly follow one's
    doctor's advice or is there a valid foundation for some of
    the accusations leveled against conventional medicine? A
    few examples can throw some light on this issue:

    1) Hormone replacement therapy. Recent studies have
    confirmed previous suspicions that hormone replacement
    therapy significantly increases the risk of cancer.
    Cancer is extremely serious and life threatening, unlike
    hot flushes and other symptoms of menopause that are
    only temporary and can be alleviated by safe alternative
    means such as a controlled diet, herbal supplements and
    exercise. But hormone replacement therapy continues to
    be prescribed by doctors and marketed by drug companies
    on a large scale.

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-term
    survival rate with these therapies is poor. This is not
    surprising since chemotherapy is a poison that attacks
    not only the tumour but also the whole body, while doing
    nothing to eliminate the cause of cancer. It often does
    more harm than good. Yet most doctors and oncologists
    persist with these treatments only, and do not even
    mention simple steps relating to diet, internal
    detoxification, exercise and emotional uncluttering that
    can at best be life saving and at least do no harm.

    3) Circumcision. When carried out in a crude fashion on
    young men in third world areas as part of initiation
    ceremonies, this is condemned. Yet, under clinical
    circumstances, the same procedure is widely inflicted on
    babies by western doctors, being offered to parents as
    an option. Millions, apart from those for whom it is a
    religious rite, have been subjected to this procedure
    which has only harmful effects. This obvious abuse of
    human rights, where a child's body is mutilated without
    him having any say in the matter, has for decades
    received the silent approval of medical associations.

    These are only some examples showing that there is indeed
    cause for alarm. To conclude: one cannot implicitly put
    one's health in the care of doctors and be assured of
    receiving the best treatment (not necessarily the most
    expensive or high-tech one). Consequently each person
    should take personal control of his own health, do his or
    her own research, and make his or her own decisions.

    The rapidly growing move towards alternative practitioners
    is a direct result of the fact that: Something is rotten in
    the state of Medicine.

    Christopher Browne.

  3. C W Browne said:

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare, Hamlet.

    The ongoing conflict between the medical fraternity and
    proponents of alternative medicine does not help the sick
    person, who usually simply wants to get well again by the
    best possible means. Can one unquestioningly follow one's
    doctor's advice or is there a valid foundation for some of
    the accusations leveled against conventional medicine? A
    few examples can throw some light on this issue:

    1) Hormone replacement therapy. Recent studies have
    confirmed previous suspicions that hormone replacement
    therapy significantly increases the risk of cancer.
    Cancer is extremely serious and life threatening,
    unlike hot flushes and other symptoms of menopause that
    are only temporary and can be alleviated by safe
    alternative means such as a controlled diet, herbal
    supplements and exercise. But hormone replacement
    therapy continues to be prescribed by doctors and
    marketed by drug companies on a large scale.

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-term
    survival rate with these therapies is poor. This is not
    surprising since chemotherapy is a poison that attacks
    not only the tumour but also the whole body, while
    doing nothing to eliminate the cause of cancer. It
    often does more harm than good. Yet most doctors and
    oncologists persist with these treatments only, and do
    not even mention simple steps relating to diet,
    internal detoxification, exercise and emotional
    uncluttering that can at best be life saving and at
    least do no harm.

    3) Circumcision. When carried out in a crude fashion on
    young men in third world areas as part of initiation
    ceremonies, this is condemned. Yet, under clinical
    circumstances, the same procedure is widely inflicted
    on babies by western doctors, being offered to parents
    as an option. Millions, apart from those for whom it is
    a religious rite, have been subjected to this procedure
    which has only harmful effects. This obvious abuse of
    human rights, where a child's body is mutilated without
    him having any say in the matter, has for decades
    received the silent approval of medical associations.

    These are only some examples showing that there is indeed
    cause for alarm. To conclude: one cannot implicitly put
    one's health in the care of doctors and be assured of
    receiving the best treatment (not necessarily the most
    expensive or high-tech one). Consequently each person
    should take personal control of his own health, do his or
    her own research, and make his or her own decisions.

    The rapidly growing move towards alternative practitioners
    is a direct result of the fact that: Something is rotten
    in the state of Medicine.

    Christopher Browne.

    I do not recommend that anyone follow any medical advice
    without question.

    Assuming that alternative medicine is a monolith, which
    modality, conventional or alternative, is more open in
    discussion of its success or failures?

    Re your examples:

    Hormone replacement therapy: There is some evidence that
    HRT may increase some forms of cancer, however is a lot
    of evidence that it prevents other forms of cancer.
    Further study is needed, and a risk-benefit evaluation
    needs to be applied.

    Chemotherapy has been shown to increase life span, and are
    infinitely more usefully than "internal detoxification" and
    "emotional uncluttering."

    As to circumcism, if you don't want the procedure done on
    your child, no doctor will insist.

    The idea that a person can read a few articles, books etc,
    and be able to make informed decisions as to a complex
    medical problem is absolute insanity. A few minutes or hours
    does not equate to a lifetime of learning that doctors
    devote to learning their craft.

    The outcome of this "informed decision" will be to die
    sooner rather than later.

    j.

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than
    are dreamt of in your philosophy." ibid.

  4. "C W Browne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare,


    Hamlet.

    Agreed, and you posted it below.....

    Quoted message said:

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-
    term survival rate with these therapies is poor. This
    is not surprising since chemotherapy is a poison that
    attacks not


    only

    Quoted message said:

    the tumour but also the whole body, while doing nothing to
    eliminate the cause of cancer. It often does more harm
    than good. Yet most doctors and oncologists persist with
    these treatments only, and do not even mention simple
    steps relating to diet, internal detoxification, exercise
    and emotional uncluttering that can at best be life saving
    and at least do no harm.

    There are several points that you made that are just
    utter bullcrap.

  5. "C W Browne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare,


    Hamlet.

    Quoted message said:


    The ongoing conflict between the medical fraternity and
    proponents of alternative medicine does not help the sick
    person, who usually simply


    wants

    Quoted message said:

    to get well again by the best possible means. Can one
    unquestioningly follow one's doctor's advice or is there a
    valid foundation for some of the accusations leveled
    against conventional medicine? A few examples can throw
    some light on this issue:

    1) Hormone replacement therapy. Recent studies have
    confirmed previous suspicions that hormone replacement
    therapy significantly increases the risk of cancer.
    Cancer is extremely serious and life threatening,
    unlike hot flushes and other symptoms of menopause that
    are only temporary and can be alleviated by safe


    alternative

    Quoted message said:

    means such as a controlled diet, herbal supplements and
    exercise. But hormone replacement therapy continues to be
    prescribed by doctors and marketed by drug companies on a
    large scale.

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-
    term survival rate with these therapies is poor. This
    is not surprising since chemotherapy is a poison that
    attacks not


    only

    Quoted message said:

    the tumour but also the whole body, while doing nothing to
    eliminate the cause of cancer. It often does more harm
    than good. Yet most doctors and oncologists persist with
    these treatments only, and do not even mention simple
    steps relating to diet, internal detoxification, exercise
    and emotional uncluttering that can at best be life saving
    and at least do no harm.

    3) Circumcision. When carried out in a crude fashion on
    young men in third world areas as part of initiation
    ceremonies, this is condemned. Yet, under clinical
    circumstances, the same procedure is widely inflicted
    on babies by western doctors, being offered to parents
    as an option. Millions, apart from


    those

    Quoted message said:

    for whom it is a religious rite, have been subjected to
    this procedure


    which

    Quoted message said:

    has only harmful effects. This obvious abuse of human
    rights, where a child's body is mutilated without him
    having any say in the matter, has


    for

    Quoted message said:

    decades received the silent approval of medical
    associations.

    These are only some examples showing that there is indeed
    cause for alarm. To conclude: one cannot implicitly put
    one's health in the care of doctors and be assured of
    receiving the best treatment (not necessarily the most
    expensive or high-tech one). Consequently each person
    should take


    personal

    Quoted message said:

    control of his own health, do his or her own research, and
    make his or her own decisions.

    The rapidly growing move towards alternative practitioners
    is a direct result of the fact that: Something is rotten
    in the state of Medicine.

    Christopher Browne.

    Indeed , there is something very rotten in the state of
    medicine , the following report will be an eye opener if you
    haven't seen it , both alternative and traditional
    approaches should be concentrating on providing the absolute
    best care for patients on an individual basis . Doctors
    should realise that the times have changed and people are
    now much better informed about their medical problems and
    the treatments available .

    lef.orgmar2004 awsi death 02.h
    tm

    Sample of medical cover ups
    irishhealth.comirishhealth.com

    prweb.comprweb60642.php

  6. "Say not the Struggle nought Availeth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    C W Browne said:

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare,


    Hamlet.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    The ongoing conflict between the medical fraternity and
    proponents of alternative medicine does not help the
    sick person, who usually simply


    wants

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to get well again by the best possible means. Can one
    unquestioningly follow one's doctor's advice or is there
    a valid foundation for some of the accusations leveled
    against conventional medicine? A few examples can throw
    some light on this issue:

    1) Hormone replacement therapy. Recent studies have
    confirmed previous suspicions that hormone


    replacement

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    therapy significantly increases the risk of cancer.
    Cancer is extremely serious and life threatening, unlike
    hot flushes and other symptoms of menopause that are
    only temporary and can be alleviated by safe


    alternative

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    means such as a controlled diet, herbal supplements and
    exercise. But hormone replacement therapy continues to
    be prescribed by doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    marketed by drug companies on a large scale.

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-
    term survival rate with these therapies is poor. This
    is not surprising since chemotherapy is a poison that
    attacks not


    only

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the tumour but also the whole body, while doing nothing
    to eliminate the cause of cancer. It often does more
    harm than good. Yet most doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    oncologists persist with these treatments only, and do
    not even mention simple steps relating to diet, internal
    detoxification, exercise and emotional uncluttering that
    can at best be life saving and at least do


    no

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    harm.

    3) Circumcision. When carried out in a crude fashion on
    young men in third world areas as part of initiation
    ceremonies, this is condemned. Yet, under clinical
    circumstances, the same procedure is widely inflicted
    on babies by


    western

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    doctors, being offered to parents as an option.
    Millions, apart from


    those

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for whom it is a religious rite, have been subjected to
    this procedure


    which

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    has only harmful effects. This obvious abuse of human
    rights, where a child's body is mutilated without him
    having any say in the matter, has


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    decades received the silent approval of medical
    associations.

    These are only some examples showing that there is
    indeed cause for


    alarm.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    To conclude: one cannot implicitly put one's health in
    the care of


    doctors

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and be assured of receiving the best treatment (not
    necessarily the most expensive or high-tech one).
    Consequently each person should take


    personal

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    control of his own health, do his or her own research,
    and make his or


    her

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    own decisions.

    The rapidly growing move towards alternative
    practitioners is a direct result of the fact that:
    Something is rotten in the state of Medicine.

    Christopher Browne.

    I do not recommend that anyone follow any medical advice
    without question.

    Assuming that alternative medicine is a monolith, which
    modality, conventional or alternative, is more open in
    discussion of its success or failures?

    Re your examples:

    Hormone replacement therapy: There is some evidence that
    HRT may increase some forms of cancer, however is a lot of
    evidence that it prevents other forms of cancer. Further
    study is needed, and a risk-benefit evaluation needs to be
    applied.

    Chemotherapy has been shown to increase life span, and are
    infinitely more usefully than "internal detoxification"
    and "emotional uncluttering."

    As to circumcism, if you don't want the procedure done on
    your child, no doctor will insist.

    The idea that a person can read a few articles, books etc,
    and be able to make informed decisions as to a complex
    medical problem is absolute insanity. A few minutes or
    hours does not equate to a lifetime of learning that
    doctors devote to learning their craft.

    The outcome of this "informed decision" will be to die
    sooner rather than later.

    j.

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than
    are dreamt of in your philosophy." ibid.


    J, your argument is weak.

  7. "Say not the Struggle nought Availeth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    C W Browne said:

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare,


    Hamlet.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    The ongoing conflict between the medical fraternity and
    proponents of alternative medicine does not help the
    sick person, who usually simply


    wants

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to get well again by the best possible means. Can one
    unquestioningly follow one's doctor's advice or is there
    a valid foundation for some of the accusations leveled
    against conventional medicine? A few examples can throw
    some light on this issue:

    1) Hormone replacement therapy. Recent studies have
    confirmed previous suspicions that hormone


    replacement

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    therapy significantly increases the risk of cancer.
    Cancer is extremely serious and life threatening, unlike
    hot flushes and other symptoms of menopause that are
    only temporary and can be alleviated by safe


    alternative

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    means such as a controlled diet, herbal supplements and
    exercise. But hormone replacement therapy continues to
    be prescribed by doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    marketed by drug companies on a large scale.

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-
    term survival rate with these therapies is poor. This
    is not surprising since chemotherapy is a poison that
    attacks not


    only

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the tumour but also the whole body, while doing nothing
    to eliminate the cause of cancer. It often does more
    harm than good. Yet most doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    oncologists persist with these treatments only, and do
    not even mention simple steps relating to diet, internal
    detoxification, exercise and emotional uncluttering that
    can at best be life saving and at least do


    no

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    harm.

    3) Circumcision. When carried out in a crude fashion on
    young men in third world areas as part of initiation
    ceremonies, this is condemned. Yet, under clinical
    circumstances, the same procedure is widely inflicted
    on babies by


    western

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    doctors, being offered to parents as an option.
    Millions, apart from


    those

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for whom it is a religious rite, have been subjected to
    this procedure


    which

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    has only harmful effects. This obvious abuse of human
    rights, where a child's body is mutilated without him
    having any say in the matter, has


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    decades received the silent approval of medical
    associations.

    These are only some examples showing that there is
    indeed cause for


    alarm.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    To conclude: one cannot implicitly put one's health in
    the care of


    doctors

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and be assured of receiving the best treatment (not
    necessarily the most expensive or high-tech one).
    Consequently each person should take


    personal

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    control of his own health, do his or her own research,
    and make his or


    her

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    own decisions.

    The rapidly growing move towards alternative
    practitioners is a direct result of the fact that:
    Something is rotten in the state of Medicine.

    Christopher Browne.

    I do not recommend that anyone follow any medical advice
    without question.

    Assuming that alternative medicine is a monolith, which
    modality, conventional or alternative, is more open in
    discussion of its success or failures?

    Re your examples:

    Hormone replacement therapy: There is some evidence that
    HRT may increase some forms of cancer, however is a lot of
    evidence that it prevents other forms of cancer. Further
    study is needed, and a risk-benefit evaluation needs to be
    applied.

    Chemotherapy has been shown to increase life span, and are
    infinitely more usefully than "internal detoxification"
    and "emotional uncluttering."

    As to circumcism, if you don't want the procedure done on
    your child, no doctor will insist.

    The idea that a person can read a few articles, books etc,
    and be able to make informed decisions as to a complex
    medical problem is absolute insanity. A few minutes or
    hours does not equate to a lifetime of learning that
    doctors devote to learning their craft.

    The outcome of this "informed decision" will be to die
    sooner rather than later.

    j.

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than
    are dreamt of in your philosophy." ibid.


    J, your argument is weak.

  8. "Say not the Struggle nought Availeth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    C W Browne said:

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare,


    Hamlet.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    The ongoing conflict between the medical fraternity and
    proponents of alternative medicine does not help the
    sick person, who usually simply


    wants

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to get well again by the best possible means. Can one
    unquestioningly follow one's doctor's advice or is there
    a valid foundation for some of the accusations leveled
    against conventional medicine? A few examples can throw
    some light on this issue:

    1) Hormone replacement therapy. Recent studies have
    confirmed previous suspicions that hormone


    replacement

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    therapy significantly increases the risk of cancer.
    Cancer is extremely serious and life threatening, unlike
    hot flushes and other symptoms of menopause that are
    only temporary and can be alleviated by safe


    alternative

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    means such as a controlled diet, herbal supplements and
    exercise. But hormone replacement therapy continues to
    be prescribed by doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    marketed by drug companies on a large scale.

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-
    term survival rate with these therapies is poor. This
    is not surprising since chemotherapy is a poison that
    attacks not


    only

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the tumour but also the whole body, while doing nothing
    to eliminate the cause of cancer. It often does more
    harm than good. Yet most doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    oncologists persist with these treatments only, and do
    not even mention simple steps relating to diet, internal
    detoxification, exercise and emotional uncluttering that
    can at best be life saving and at least do


    no

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    harm.

    3) Circumcision. When carried out in a crude fashion on
    young men in third world areas as part of initiation
    ceremonies, this is condemned. Yet, under clinical
    circumstances, the same procedure is widely inflicted
    on babies by


    western

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    doctors, being offered to parents as an option.
    Millions, apart from


    those

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for whom it is a religious rite, have been subjected to
    this procedure


    which

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    has only harmful effects. This obvious abuse of human
    rights, where a child's body is mutilated without him
    having any say in the matter, has


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    decades received the silent approval of medical
    associations.

    These are only some examples showing that there is
    indeed cause for


    alarm.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    To conclude: one cannot implicitly put one's health in
    the care of


    doctors

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and be assured of receiving the best treatment (not
    necessarily the most expensive or high-tech one).
    Consequently each person should take


    personal

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    control of his own health, do his or her own research,
    and make his or


    her

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    own decisions.

    The rapidly growing move towards alternative
    practitioners is a direct result of the fact that:
    Something is rotten in the state of Medicine.

    Christopher Browne.

    I do not recommend that anyone follow any medical advice
    without question.

    Assuming that alternative medicine is a monolith, which
    modality, conventional or alternative, is more open in
    discussion of its success or failures?

    Re your examples:

    Hormone replacement therapy: There is some evidence that
    HRT may increase some forms of cancer, however is a lot of
    evidence that it prevents other forms of cancer. Further
    study is needed, and a risk-benefit evaluation needs to be
    applied.

    Chemotherapy has been shown to increase life span, and are
    infinitely more usefully than "internal detoxification"
    and "emotional uncluttering."

    As to circumcism, if you don't want the procedure done on
    your child, no doctor will insist.

    The idea that a person can read a few articles, books etc,
    and be able to make informed decisions as to a complex
    medical problem is absolute insanity. A few minutes or
    hours does not equate to a lifetime of learning that
    doctors devote to learning their craft.

    The outcome of this "informed decision" will be to die
    sooner rather than later.

    j.

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than
    are dreamt of in your philosophy." ibid.


    J, your argument is weak.

  9. "Mark Probert-March 10, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
    in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "C W Browne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare,


    Hamlet.

    Agreed, and you posted it below.....

    Quoted message said:

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-
    term survival rate with these therapies is poor. This
    is not surprising since chemotherapy is a poison that
    attacks not


    only

    Quoted message said:

    the tumour but also the whole body, while doing nothing
    to eliminate the cause of cancer. It often does more
    harm than good. Yet most doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    oncologists persist with these treatments only, and do
    not even mention simple steps relating to diet, internal
    detoxification, exercise and emotional uncluttering that
    can at best be life saving and at least do


    no

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    harm.

    There are several points that you made that are just utter
    bullcrap.


    In Marks utterly worthless opinion.............

  10. "Mark Probert-March 10, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
    in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "C W Browne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare,


    Hamlet.

    Agreed, and you posted it below.....

    Quoted message said:

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-
    term survival rate with these therapies is poor. This
    is not surprising since chemotherapy is a poison that
    attacks not


    only

    Quoted message said:

    the tumour but also the whole body, while doing nothing
    to eliminate the cause of cancer. It often does more
    harm than good. Yet most doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    oncologists persist with these treatments only, and do
    not even mention simple steps relating to diet, internal
    detoxification, exercise and emotional uncluttering that
    can at best be life saving and at least do


    no

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    harm.

    There are several points that you made that are just utter
    bullcrap.


    In Marks utterly worthless opinion.............

  11. "Mark Probert-March 10, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
    in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "C W Browne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare,


    Hamlet.

    Agreed, and you posted it below.....

    Quoted message said:

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-
    term survival rate with these therapies is poor. This
    is not surprising since chemotherapy is a poison that
    attacks not


    only

    Quoted message said:

    the tumour but also the whole body, while doing nothing
    to eliminate the cause of cancer. It often does more
    harm than good. Yet most doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    oncologists persist with these treatments only, and do
    not even mention simple steps relating to diet, internal
    detoxification, exercise and emotional uncluttering that
    can at best be life saving and at least do


    no

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    harm.

    There are several points that you made that are just utter
    bullcrap.


    In Marks utterly worthless opinion.............

  12. "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed , there is something very rotten in the state of
    medicine , the following report will be an eye opener if
    you haven't seen it , both alternative and traditional
    approaches should be concentrating on


    providing

    Quoted message said:

    the absolute best care for patients on an individual basis
    . Doctors


    should

    Quoted message said:

    realise that the times have changed and people are now
    much better


    informed

    Quoted message said:

    about their medical problems and the treatments
    available .

    lef.orgmar2004 awsi deat
    h_02.htm

    What a stupid article They cite BED SORES as a cause of
    death of 115,000 pateints. Then they cite the report, and
    the report says nothing about the cause of death.

    When they cannot get even the simplest thing right, like
    proper citation, Bew loves to cite them as an authroity.
    What a maroon.

  13. "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed , there is something very rotten in the state of
    medicine , the following report will be an eye opener if
    you haven't seen it , both alternative and traditional
    approaches should be concentrating on


    providing

    Quoted message said:

    the absolute best care for patients on an individual basis
    . Doctors


    should

    Quoted message said:

    realise that the times have changed and people are now
    much better


    informed

    Quoted message said:

    about their medical problems and the treatments
    available .

    lef.orgmar2004 awsi deat
    h_02.htm

    What a stupid article They cite BED SORES as a cause of
    death of 115,000 pateints. Then they cite the report, and
    the report says nothing about the cause of death.

    When they cannot get even the simplest thing right, like
    proper citation, Bew loves to cite them as an authroity.
    What a maroon.

  14. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Say not the Struggle nought Availeth" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in


    message

    Quoted message said:

    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    C W Browne said:

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare,


    Hamlet.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    The ongoing conflict between the medical fraternity
    and proponents of alternative medicine does not help
    the sick person, who usually simply


    wants

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to get well again by the best possible means. Can one
    unquestioningly follow one's doctor's advice or is
    there a


    valid

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    foundation for some of the accusations leveled against
    conventional medicine? A few examples can throw some
    light on this issue:

    1) Hormone replacement therapy. Recent studies have
    confirmed previous suspicions that hormone


    replacement

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    therapy significantly increases the risk of cancer.
    Cancer is


    extremely

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    serious and life threatening, unlike hot flushes and
    other symptoms of menopause that are only temporary
    and can be alleviated by safe


    alternative

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    means such as a controlled diet, herbal supplements
    and exercise. But hormone replacement therapy
    continues to be prescribed by doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    marketed by drug companies on a large scale.

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-
    term survival rate with these therapies is


    poor.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This is not surprising since chemotherapy is a poison
    that attacks not


    only

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the tumour but also the whole body, while doing
    nothing to eliminate


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cause of cancer. It often does more harm than good.
    Yet most doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    oncologists persist with these treatments only, and do
    not even


    mention

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    simple steps relating to diet, internal
    detoxification, exercise and emotional uncluttering
    that can at best be life saving and at least do


    no

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    harm.

    3) Circumcision. When carried out in a crude fashion
    on young men in third world areas


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    part of initiation ceremonies, this is condemned. Yet,
    under clinical circumstances, the same procedure is
    widely inflicted on babies by


    western

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    doctors, being offered to parents as an option.
    Millions, apart from


    those

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for whom it is a religious rite, have been subjected
    to this procedure


    which

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    has only harmful effects. This obvious abuse of human
    rights, where a child's body is mutilated without him
    having any say in the matter,


    has

    Quoted message said:

    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    decades received the silent approval of medical
    associations.

    These are only some examples showing that there is
    indeed cause for


    alarm.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    To conclude: one cannot implicitly put one's health in
    the care of


    doctors

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and be assured of receiving the best treatment (not
    necessarily the


    most

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    expensive or high-tech one). Consequently each person
    should take


    personal

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    control of his own health, do his or her own research,
    and make his or


    her

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    own decisions.

    The rapidly growing move towards alternative
    practitioners is a direct result of the fact that:
    Something is rotten in the state of Medicine.

    Christopher Browne.

    I do not recommend that anyone follow any medical advice
    without


    question.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Assuming that alternative medicine is a monolith, which
    modality, conventional or alternative, is more open in
    discussion of its success or failures?

    Re your examples:

    Hormone replacement therapy: There is some evidence that
    HRT may increase some forms of cancer, however is a lot
    of evidence that it prevents other forms of cancer.
    Further study is needed, and a risk-benefit evaluation
    needs to be applied.

    Chemotherapy has been shown to increase life span, and
    are infinitely more usefully than "internal
    detoxification" and "emotional


    uncluttering."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    As to circumcism, if you don't want the procedure done
    on your child, no doctor will insist.

    The idea that a person can read a few articles, books
    etc, and be able to make informed decisions as to a
    complex medical problem is absolute insanity. A few
    minutes or hours does not equate to a lifetime of
    learning that doctors devote to learning their craft.

    The outcome of this "informed decision" will be to die
    sooner rather than later.

    j.

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
    Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." ibid.


    J, your argument is weak.

    Old Chinese proverb:

    Weak argument better than no argument at all.

  15. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Say not the Struggle nought Availeth" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in


    message

    Quoted message said:

    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    C W Browne said:

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare,


    Hamlet.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    The ongoing conflict between the medical fraternity
    and proponents of alternative medicine does not help
    the sick person, who usually simply


    wants

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to get well again by the best possible means. Can one
    unquestioningly follow one's doctor's advice or is
    there a


    valid

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    foundation for some of the accusations leveled against
    conventional medicine? A few examples can throw some
    light on this issue:

    1) Hormone replacement therapy. Recent studies have
    confirmed previous suspicions that hormone


    replacement

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    therapy significantly increases the risk of cancer.
    Cancer is


    extremely

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    serious and life threatening, unlike hot flushes and
    other symptoms of menopause that are only temporary
    and can be alleviated by safe


    alternative

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    means such as a controlled diet, herbal supplements
    and exercise. But hormone replacement therapy
    continues to be prescribed by doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    marketed by drug companies on a large scale.

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-
    term survival rate with these therapies is


    poor.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This is not surprising since chemotherapy is a poison
    that attacks not


    only

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the tumour but also the whole body, while doing
    nothing to eliminate


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cause of cancer. It often does more harm than good.
    Yet most doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    oncologists persist with these treatments only, and do
    not even


    mention

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    simple steps relating to diet, internal
    detoxification, exercise and emotional uncluttering
    that can at best be life saving and at least do


    no

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    harm.

    3) Circumcision. When carried out in a crude fashion
    on young men in third world areas


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    part of initiation ceremonies, this is condemned. Yet,
    under clinical circumstances, the same procedure is
    widely inflicted on babies by


    western

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    doctors, being offered to parents as an option.
    Millions, apart from


    those

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for whom it is a religious rite, have been subjected
    to this procedure


    which

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    has only harmful effects. This obvious abuse of human
    rights, where a child's body is mutilated without him
    having any say in the matter,


    has

    Quoted message said:

    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    decades received the silent approval of medical
    associations.

    These are only some examples showing that there is
    indeed cause for


    alarm.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    To conclude: one cannot implicitly put one's health in
    the care of


    doctors

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and be assured of receiving the best treatment (not
    necessarily the


    most

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    expensive or high-tech one). Consequently each person
    should take


    personal

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    control of his own health, do his or her own research,
    and make his or


    her

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    own decisions.

    The rapidly growing move towards alternative
    practitioners is a direct result of the fact that:
    Something is rotten in the state of Medicine.

    Christopher Browne.

    I do not recommend that anyone follow any medical advice
    without


    question.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Assuming that alternative medicine is a monolith, which
    modality, conventional or alternative, is more open in
    discussion of its success or failures?

    Re your examples:

    Hormone replacement therapy: There is some evidence that
    HRT may increase some forms of cancer, however is a lot
    of evidence that it prevents other forms of cancer.
    Further study is needed, and a risk-benefit evaluation
    needs to be applied.

    Chemotherapy has been shown to increase life span, and
    are infinitely more usefully than "internal
    detoxification" and "emotional


    uncluttering."

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    As to circumcism, if you don't want the procedure done
    on your child, no doctor will insist.

    The idea that a person can read a few articles, books
    etc, and be able to make informed decisions as to a
    complex medical problem is absolute insanity. A few
    minutes or hours does not equate to a lifetime of
    learning that doctors devote to learning their craft.

    The outcome of this "informed decision" will be to die
    sooner rather than later.

    j.

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
    Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." ibid.


    J, your argument is weak.

    Old Chinese proverb:

    Weak argument better than no argument at all.

  16. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Mark Probert-March 10, 2004" <Mark Probert03-10-
    [email hidden]>


    wrote

    Quoted message said:

    in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "C W Browne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare,


    Hamlet.

    Agreed, and you posted it below.....

    Quoted message said:

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-
    term survival rate with these therapies is


    poor.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This is not surprising since chemotherapy is a poison
    that attacks not


    only

    Quoted message said:

    the tumour but also the whole body, while doing
    nothing to eliminate


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cause of cancer. It often does more harm than good.
    Yet most doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    oncologists persist with these treatments only, and do
    not even


    mention

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    simple steps relating to diet, internal
    detoxification, exercise and emotional uncluttering
    that can at best be life saving and at least do


    no

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    harm.

    There are several points that you made that are just
    utter bullcrap.


    In Marks utterly worthless opinion.............

    Just because I use polysyllabic words which you do not
    understand does not mean my opinion is worthless.

  17. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Mark Probert-March 10, 2004" <Mark Probert03-10-
    [email hidden]>


    wrote

    Quoted message said:

    in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "C W Browne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." William
    Shakespeare,


    Hamlet.

    Agreed, and you posted it below.....

    Quoted message said:

    2) Chemotherapy and radiation. In most cases the long-
    term survival rate with these therapies is


    poor.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This is not surprising since chemotherapy is a poison
    that attacks not


    only

    Quoted message said:

    the tumour but also the whole body, while doing
    nothing to eliminate


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cause of cancer. It often does more harm than good.
    Yet most doctors


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    oncologists persist with these treatments only, and do
    not even


    mention

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    simple steps relating to diet, internal
    detoxification, exercise and emotional uncluttering
    that can at best be life saving and at least do


    no

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    harm.

    There are several points that you made that are just
    utter bullcrap.


    In Marks utterly worthless opinion.............

    Just because I use polysyllabic words which you do not
    understand does not mean my opinion is worthless.

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