Sore legs

Dot said:

Actually, the Spartathlon (and does seem to be reasonably documented to
believe that it did exist) - in both directions - was a warmup for the
"marathon", of which there's still a lot of questions as to whether it
existed or not (...),

FWIW he great Yiannis Kouros (among other things a four-time winner of
the 246 km Spartathlon race whose worst time is 1:25 short of his
record 20:25 but still 1:23 better than the next best time) ran from
Athens to Sparta and back in September. The total distance covered was
"only" 470 km - he asserts that his route follows the one taken by
Pheidippides more faithfully than that of the one-way race - but his
time 53:43 is still quite impressive. (He ran the first leg in 21:27
and commenced on the second after a half an hour's rest.)

Kouros is one of the participants in the Cliff Young Australian Sixday
Race which will start on Sunday. I imagine the question is not whether
he will win, but whether he will break his record of 1023 km.
http://sixdayrace.org.au and a nice little story about Cliff Young:
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/8395.htm

Another nice little story about the Finnish ultrarunner Janne
Kankaansyrjä - who won the 18-day 1166 km Atlantic-to-Mediterranean
race Le Transe Gaule in August http:/www.yanoo.net - in the 2004
Spartathlon: "He wrote the most beautiful page of his runner's life in
Greece, where after 240km he is finishing the race in good shape in 4th
place. In the last km he catches up with the third place runner, an
Austrian staggering near to death agony. He stopped, took him on his
shoulders and pulled him to the finish line to be both third." For
pictures, see pp. 2-3 at
http://spartathlon.webvista.net/SPARTATHLON%202004/index.html

Anders

(who remembers a 50km racewalking event where two Russian walkers had
agreed to share the victory and crossed the finish line abreast with
one arm on the other's shoulder; the race directors declared one a
photofinish winner - which I guess was more sporting of them than to
DQF both...)

anders said:

Dot said:

Actually, the Spartathlon (and does seem to be reasonably documented to
believe that it did exist) - in both directions - was a warmup for the
"marathon", of which there's still a lot of questions as to whether it
existed or not (...),

FWIW he great Yiannis Kouros (among other things a four-time winner of
the 246 km Spartathlon race whose worst time is 1:25 short of his
record 20:25 but still 1:23 better than the next best time) ran from
Athens to Sparta and back in September. The total distance covered was
"only" 470 km - he asserts that his route follows the one taken by
Pheidippides more faithfully than that of the one-way race - but his
time 53:43 is still quite impressive. (He ran the first leg in 21:27
and commenced on the second after a half an hour's rest.)

Kouros is one of the participants in the Cliff Young Australian Sixday
Race which will start on Sunday. I imagine the question is not whether
he will win, but whether he will break his record of 1023 km.
http://sixdayrace.org.au and a nice little story about Cliff Young:
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/8395.htm

Another nice little story about the Finnish ultrarunner Janne
Kankaansyrjä - who won the 18-day 1166 km Atlantic-to-Mediterranean
race Le Transe Gaule in August http:/www.yanoo.net - in the 2004
Spartathlon: "He wrote the most beautiful page of his runner's life in
Greece, where after 240km he is finishing the race in good shape in 4th
place. In the last km he catches up with the third place runner, an
Austrian staggering near to death agony. He stopped, took him on his
shoulders and pulled him to the finish line to be both third." For
pictures, see pp. 2-3 at
http://spartathlon.webvista.net/SPARTATHLON%202004/index.html

Anders

(who remembers a 50km racewalking event where two Russian walkers had
agreed to share the victory and crossed the finish line abreast with
one arm on the other's shoulder; the race directors declared one a
photofinish winner - which I guess was more sporting of them than to
DQF both...)

It's like the running equivalent of the Tour de France!

Marty

anders said:

Dot said:

Actually, the Spartathlon (and does seem to be reasonably documented to
believe that it did exist) - in both directions - was a warmup for the
"marathon", of which there's still a lot of questions as to whether it
existed or not (...),

FWIW he great Yiannis Kouros (among other things a four-time winner of
the 246 km Spartathlon race whose worst time is 1:25 short of his
record 20:25 but still 1:23 better than the next best time) ran from
Athens to Sparta and back in September. The total distance covered was
"only" 470 km - he asserts that his route follows the one taken by
Pheidippides more faithfully than that of the one-way race - but his
time 53:43 is still quite impressive. (He ran the first leg in 21:27
and commenced on the second after a half an hour's rest.)

Kouros is one of the participants in the Cliff Young Australian Sixday
Race which will start on Sunday. I imagine the question is not whether
he will win, but whether he will break his record of 1023 km.
http://sixdayrace.org.au and a nice little story about Cliff Young:
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/8395.htm

Another nice little story about the Finnish ultrarunner Janne
Kankaansyrjä - who won the 18-day 1166 km Atlantic-to-Mediterranean
race Le Transe Gaule in August http:/www.yanoo.net - in the 2004
Spartathlon: "He wrote the most beautiful page of his runner's life in
Greece, where after 240km he is finishing the race in good shape in 4th
place. In the last km he catches up with the third place runner, an
Austrian staggering near to death agony. He stopped, took him on his
shoulders and pulled him to the finish line to be both third." For
pictures, see pp. 2-3 at
http://spartathlon.webvista.net/SPARTATHLON%202004/index.html

Anders

(who remembers a 50km racewalking event where two Russian walkers had
agreed to share the victory and crossed the finish line abreast with
one arm on the other's shoulder; the race directors declared one a
photofinish winner - which I guess was more sporting of them than to
DQF both...)

It's like the running equivalent of the Tour de France!

Marty

Hebrew Hammer said:

Call it What you want as long as you are motivated to train.
Most expericned athlelts look at it this way
Speed events 5K-10K
Half Marathon 13.1
marathon 26.2
Ultramarathon 30K+ with the Western States 100mile being the big one
Triathlon
Sprint
Olympic distance
Ultra also known as Ironman 2.4mswim113mbike26.2run

As long as you are feeling challanged call it what you want
The Hawain Ironman is an Offical Ironman event the 'World
Champoinships.
But there are age group world champoinships at the same distance that
are MUCH EASIER To Qualify For.

Enjoy at any Distance

Well just to throw another wrench in the works, Indianpolis runs a half
marathon called the "Mini Marathon" around the time of the Indy 500
race. So there actually might be copyright issues referring to another
race of any distance as a minimarathon.

and this whole thing goes to show, you never know which way a thread
will bend. 8^)

Good luck on the race, Elaine. Next time, try a little more training on
surfaces closer to what you will see on race day. IOW, get off the
treadmill and get outside.

Enjoy the run, whatever you call it.
Ed

Ed Prochak said:

Quoted message said:

Well just to throw another wrench in the works, Indianpolis runs a half
marathon called the "Mini Marathon" around the time of the Indy 500
race. So there actually might be copyright issues referring to another
race of any distance as a minimarathon.

No, there are most certainly not "copyright issues" associated with the name
of any event or product.

If you were to use the correct definitions, you could argue that there might
be "trademark" or "service mark" issues, but you'd still be wrong.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark in particular, see sections:

4 Registrability and distinctive character
5 Maintaining trademark rights -- abandonment and genericide

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

anders said:

Dot said:

Actually, the Spartathlon (and does seem to be reasonably documented to
believe that it did exist) - in both directions - was a warmup for the
"marathon", of which there's still a lot of questions as to whether it
existed or not (...),

FWIW he great Yiannis Kouros (among other things a four-time winner of
the 246 km Spartathlon race whose worst time is 1:25 short of his
record 20:25 but still 1:23 better than the next best time) ran from
Athens to Sparta and back in September. The total distance covered was
"only" 470 km - he asserts that his route follows the one taken by
Pheidippides more faithfully than that of the one-way race - but his
time 53:43 is still quite impressive. (He ran the first leg in 21:27
and commenced on the second after a half an hour's rest.)

Thanks. I knew he had run a route that he felt was more accurate, but I
hadn't paid much attention to actual distance or time.

Quoted message said:

Kouros is one of the participants in the Cliff Young Australian Sixday
Race which will start on Sunday. I imagine the question is not whether
he will win, but whether he will break his record of 1023 km.
http://sixdayrace.org.au and a nice little story about Cliff Young:
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/8395.htm

Another nice little story about the Finnish ultrarunner Janne
Kankaansyrjä - who won the 18-day 1166 km Atlantic-to-Mediterranean
race Le Transe Gaule in August http:/www.yanoo.net - in the 2004
Spartathlon: "He wrote the most beautiful page of his runner's life in
Greece, where after 240km he is finishing the race in good shape in 4th
place. In the last km he catches up with the third place runner, an
Austrian staggering near to death agony. He stopped, took him on his
shoulders and pulled him to the finish line to be both third." For
pictures, see pp. 2-3 at
http://spartathlon.webvista.net/SPARTATHLON%202004/index.html

Thanks. Interesting story.

Quoted message said:

Anders

(who remembers a 50km racewalking event where two Russian walkers had
agreed to share the victory and crossed the finish line abreast with
one arm on the other's shoulder; the race directors declared one a
photofinish winner - which I guess was more sporting of them than to
DQF both...)

Yea, some races specifically don't allow ties, while others have their
timing set up that way that each runner goes on a separate line - even
when the two are obviously running together side by side. Not sure if
they have to hold hands to be a tie in the latter case or whether they
just insist on different times.

Dot

--
"A winner is just a loser who tried one more time." -Captain George M.
Moore, Jr., United States Air Force (retired),
http://www.avdlm.com/press.php?page=stories&storyid=1

Donovan Rebbechi said:

If you were to use the correct definitions, you could argue that there might
be "trademark" or "service mark" issues, but you'd still be wrong.

So "fly-buggering" lawyers aren't on anybody's "ass", right?

--
NB: I like Donovan from afar (and probly from anear)