Specialized Allez/Cannondale/Custom

"Saint" <giant2334@no_spam.com> wrote in message
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Hi All

I am on the quest for a second (or first i.e. 'posh',
whichever way you

look

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at it) road bike and have really liked the look of the
Specialized Allez Comp and Cannondale R500 models. I am
also (still!) toying with the odea

of

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getting a custom build with a full campag groupset for
around £900.

Just wondered if anyone had any personal experience of
either of the above models? Never ridden a Cannondale but
having read the archives some seem

to

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love 'em and some the opposite. Also looks like you pay a
bit over the

odds

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for the name too and must confess not too thrilled at the
components (full Tiagra I think!) although they are
servicable. Specialized is pricey at £1300 but looks the
business.

I'm a little confused as to why you're comparing a £700
Cannondale www.evanscycles.com/product.jsp?style=4360 with a
£900 custom build and £1300 Specialized? Spend £1349 on a
'dale and you'll get something better:
www.evanscycles.com/product.jsp?style=3081

Re. the 'dale: I've owned one for nearly 2 years now (R900)
and can't fault it, sure the ride did seem harsher than the
Columbus SLX steel tubed bike it replaced but not
distractingly so and on the open road I love it. I was in a
similar position of choosing between an Italian framed
Campag equipped custom build or the 'dale but the latter
was better VFM with a discount but more importantly I was
able to test ride it before committing. I would advise you
to test ride, you want to live with this bike for a few
years I imagine.
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"Saint" <giant2334@no_spam.com> wrote in message
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Hi All

I am on the quest for a second (or first i.e. 'posh',
whichever way you

look

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at it) road bike and have really liked the look of the
Specialized Allez Comp and Cannondale R500 models. I am
also (still!) toying with the

odea

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of

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getting a custom build with a full campag groupset for
around £900.

Just wondered if anyone had any personal experience of
either of the

above

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models? Never ridden a Cannondale but having read the
archives some

seem

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to

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love 'em and some the opposite. Also looks like you pay
a bit over the

odds

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for the name too and must confess not too thrilled at
the components

(full

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Tiagra I think!) although they are servicable.
Specialized is pricey at £1300 but looks the business.

I'm a little confused as to why you're comparing a £700
Cannondale www.evanscycles.com/product.jsp?style=4360 with
a £900 custom build and £1300 Specialized? Spend £1349 on
a 'dale and you'll get something better:
www.evanscycles.com/product.jsp?style=3081

Point taken Pete. However I wasn't really comparing them
like for like - rather they were both just machines I liked
the look of.

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Re. the 'dale: I've owned one for nearly 2 years now
(R900) and can't

fault

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it, sure the ride did seem harsher than the Columbus SLX
steel tubed bike it replaced but not distractingly so and
on the open road I love it. I was in a similar position
of choosing between an Italian framed Campag equipped
custom build or the 'dale but the latter was better VFM
with a discount but more importantly I was able to test
ride it before

committing.

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I would advise you to test ride, you want to live with
this bike for a few years I imagine.

Hmm, stupidly I hadn't really considered that (doh!). The
shop that do customs have a great reputation and have been
making their own stuff for years. I am sure they would have
a test bike somewhere along similar lines but I guess it is
a serious consideration for any custom build bike. Wonder
how other people who take that option approach it?

Cheers

S

Just put together a Spesh Allez Comp complete with Centaur 9 and Campag Eurus wheels. Took him (Demon Dog) on his maiden voyage yesterday and was amazed from a few perspectives. Firstly the frame is very stiff, i weigh 13 stone so i'd be one of the first to notice if there were any flex in the bottom bracket...i can fully confirm there isn't !
Miraculously though it's such a comfortable ride, much more comfortable than my old Giant CFR 1 carbon bike, i feel every bump in the road riding that. I was a little apprehensive at first because aluminium has garnered bad press for having a rather harsh ride but i needn't have worried.
Secondly this bike is bloody quick ! every ounce of my energy is transferred to the wheels, feels so effortless to ride, as if i'm floating on air...yes i know..sounds rather far fetched and Twighlight Zone.ish but it's the best way i can describe what i'm feeling when i ride the bike.
Now the downside, if you consider it to be one, i personally don't. Because of the compact design and short wheel base the handling is very quick indeed, great for whizzing around corners but not so stable when coasting in a straight line.
Thirdly the colour scheme turns heads haha..Got the red and white striped one and i've already had loads of admiring looks from passers by. Good to be noticed while out on a new bike 🙂
Actually the design of the frame was the deciding factor in buying it...looks so different from run of the mill traditional. Haven't the foggiest whether the aero seatube is only there for cosmetic reasons but i don't care anyway because it looks great ! Also adore the shape of the downtube which goes from oval at the top to almost round, looks hot. Think i'm in love
:p

"Saint" <giant2334@no_spam.com> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi All

I am on the quest for a second (or first i.e. 'posh',
whichever way you

look

Quoted message said:

at it) road bike and have really liked the look of the
Specialized Allez Comp and Cannondale R500 models. I am
also (still!) toying with the odea

of

Quoted message said:

getting a custom build with a full campag groupset for
around £900.

Just wondered if anyone had any personal experience of
either of the above models? Never ridden a Cannondale but
having read the archives some seem

to

Quoted message said:

love 'em and some the opposite. Also looks like you pay a
bit over the

odds

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for the name too and must confess not too thrilled at the
components (full Tiagra I think!) although they are
servicable. Specialized is pricey at £1300 but looks the
business.

The more I learn the more I understand that 'names' matter
less but they both look like nice bikes so just thought
I'd ask.

When I was shopping for a new bike, I took the Allez Comp
'03 out for a spin. Although I ended up with a cheaper
bike, it was responsible for confirming that I wanted a
decent groupset. I appreciate that Sora - Ultegra
comparisons are unfair, but the performance of the front
shifting on the Allez was ground-breaking by comparison to
the Dawes Giro 500.

Incidentally, I ended up with the '03 Giant OCR 1T (The 105
equipped one). Compared to the old steel framed Claud Butler
it's an amazing bike, but sadly they downgraded the
equipment spec for the '04 range.

Finally. When I was in France I visited Daniel Salmon's shop
in Britanny. For £1400 (Less than the Allez Comp was when I
rode it) you can get an Ultegra equipped, carbon monocoque
frame, forks and even handlebars. I didn't get a chance to
test it, but I'd put good money on it being fun!

Jon

P.S. By custom build, do you mean choosing the equipment to
go on a stock frame or having a custom frame made to
suit your build?

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Jon Senior said:

Incidentally, I ended up with the '03 Giant OCR 1T (The
105 equipped one). Compared to the old steel framed Claud
Butler it's an amazing bike, but sadly they downgraded the
equipment spec for the '04 range.

That's one way of looking at it. Another is to say that
Giant restructured its product ranges so that the best bike
in the OCR range is the new, Campagnolo Mirage equipped, OCR
0. I don't know how the prices compare.

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of what it did to him." - Forrest Tucker
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I am a self confessed Cannondale addict. I have 2 x MTBs and 1 x Road Cannondale.

The thing about them is:_

1. All Cannondale frames are very good. They are very light, very fast and very stiff and are built and finished to a very high standard.
2. That means that the standard kit tends to be of lower spec than the competition to make them competitive. So buying a new Cannondale is a long term proposition as people tend to upgrade the bits.
3. This also means that second hand Cannondales have been upgraded to a much higher spec.

The frames are long lasting and have a life time warranty.

Try one and get hooked!

Jon Senior said:

When I was looking at the OCR 1T there was another "Team
Once" Giant which was Campag equipped. I've no idea which
groupset, as I've always been a Shimano man so I never got
my head around the Campag groups. I'm not sure that this
didn't become the OCR 0.

"Restructuring" is a very Dilbert word. ;-)

You're right. What they've in effect done is remove the old
OCR1 specification from the range and shifted everything
else up a rung so the the OCR2 becomes the OCR1. Same thing
in the FCR range - my wife has a Tiagra equipped FCR2, now
called an FCR1. Bit cheeky that, I think. Still, looking at
my LBS website, they aren't trying to charge last year's
FCR1 price for this year's FCR1. I think it would have been
better and less misleading had they completely changed the
names within the range.
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funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it."
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Originally posted by trembler50
I am a self confessed Cannondale addict. I have 2 x MTBs and 1 x Road Cannondale.

The thing about them is:_

1. All Cannondale frames are very good. They are very light, very fast and very stiff and are built and finished to a very high standard.
2. That means that the standard kit tends to be of lower spec than the competition to make them competitive. So buying a new Cannondale is a long term proposition as people tend to upgrade the bits.
3. This also means that second hand Cannondales have been upgraded to a much higher spec.

The frames are long lasting and have a life time warranty.

Try one and get hooked!

Specialized have a lifetime warranty too🙂

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Originally posted by Saint
Specialized is pricey at
£1300 but looks the business.

It IS the business! (the 03 model looks unique)

Saint said:

Hi All

I am on the quest for a second (or first i.e. 'posh',
whichever way you look at it) road bike and have really
liked the look of the Specialized Allez Comp and
Cannondale R500 models. I am also (still!) toying with the
odea of getting a custom build with a full campag groupset
for around £900.

Just wondered if anyone had any personal experience of
either of the above models? Never ridden a Cannondale but
having read the archives some seem to love 'em and some
the opposite. Also looks like you pay a bit over the odds
for the name too and must confess not too thrilled at the
components (full Tiagra I think!) although they are
servicable. Specialized is pricey at £1300 but looks the
business.

The more I learn the more I understand that 'names' matter
less but they both look like nice bikes so just thought
I'd ask.

Best wishes.

S

There was some talk on the cyclingplus forum about the
Specialized Allez Comp having a problem with breaking
chainstays. Perhaps you should check this out.

The most important thing is that the bike fits you. Set a
budget, go to a proper bike shop with a fitting jig, forget
the labels and buy the bike that's best for you. This could
be a Giant or a Bianchi or any of a dozen other makes
besides Specialized and Cannondale (both of these names I
associate primarily with mountain bikes - am I alone?)

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his illness. Let's hope it's nothing trivial." - Irvin S.
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Michael MacClancy said:

other makes besides Specialized and Cannondale (both of
these names I associate primarily with mountain bikes - am
I alone?)

Both have been instrumental in the development of the MTB
and because far more actual development has happened on
MTBs than road machinery their innovations in MTBs have
rather overshadowed the more "business as usual" road
side. But certainly Cannondale were well respected for
touring and other road machines machines way back before
MTBs were Big News. Cannondale's first ever bike was a
tourer, back in '83.

Pete.
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Michael MacClancy said:

other makes besides Specialized and Cannondale (both of
these names I associate primarily with mountain bikes -
am I alone?)

Both have been instrumental in the development of the MTB
and because far more actual development has happened on
MTBs than road machinery their innovations in MTBs have
rather overshadowed the more "business as usual" road
side. But certainly Cannondale were well respected for
touring and other road machines machines way back before
MTBs were Big News. Cannondale's first ever bike was a
tourer, back in '83.

And Cannondale currently have a road bike you can buy off
the shelf which weighs in at at 14.7lbs. If you're rich
enough, of course. Very nice indeed.

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Michael MacClancy said:

other makes besides Specialized and Cannondale (both of
these names I associate primarily with mountain bikes -
am I alone?)

Both have been instrumental in the development of the MTB
and because far more actual development has happened on
MTBs than road machinery their innovations in MTBs have
rather overshadowed the more "business as usual" road
side. But certainly Cannondale were well respected for
touring and other road machines machines way back before
MTBs were Big News. Cannondale's first ever bike was a
tourer, back in '83.

And Cannondale currently have a road bike you can buy off
the shelf which weighs in at at 14.7lbs. If you're rich
enough, of course. Very nice indeed.

I thought the UCI limit was 6.9kg (15.21 lbs)?
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I thought the UCI limit was 6.9kg (15.21 lbs)?

It is. Hence Cannondales "Free My Cannondale" advertising
campaign. The bike is the Six13 (IIRC) and is apparently
"rather nice"!

Jon

Michael MacClancy said:

I thought the UCI limit was 6.9kg (15.21 lbs)?

What? The UCI with their heads up their arses citing random
numbers and specifications for the definition of a bike?
Shurely Shome Mishtake? ;-/

Pete.
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It is. Hence Cannondales "Free My Cannondale" advertising
campaign.

I it's "Legalize my Cannondale".

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I thought the UCI limit was 6.9kg (15.21 lbs)?

It is. Hence Cannondales "Free My Cannondale" advertising
campaign. The bike is the Six13 (IIRC) and is apparently
"rather nice"!

Which is code for absolutely sodding gorgeous.

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I thought the UCI limit was 6.9kg (15.21 lbs)?

It is. Hence Cannondales "Free My Cannondale"
advertising campaign. The bike is the Six13 (IIRC) and
is apparently "rather nice"!

Which is code for absolutely sodding gorgeous.

A bit under half the weight of my fixer when all extras have
been stripped from it. Not to mention the apparent
performance of the mixed materials. I wonder if EBC will be
getting one in. I really fancy a test ride!

Jon

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> I thought the UCI limit was 6.9kg (15.21 lbs)?

It is. Hence Cannondales "Free My Cannondale"
advertising campaign. The bike is the Six13 (IIRC) and
is apparently "rather nice"!

Which is code for absolutely sodding gorgeous.

A bit under half the weight of my fixer when all extras
have been stripped from it. Not to mention the apparent
performance of the mixed materials. I wonder if EBC will
be getting one in. I really fancy a test ride!

Their website says 'book now'. Sounds like they may be
getting one in - where 'one' is the operative word. Come
to think of it, it's almost exactly half the weight of my
road bike.

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