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  1. Ok so I have the house to myself for an afternoon's quality study and I
    make the fatal mistake of "a quick look" at Sheldon Brown's single speed
    page. The next thing you know the house stinks of citrus degreaser and
    there's a 6 speed casette sitting where the text book should be. So
    here's my two questions which hopefully nobody will answer till after
    I've actually done some study.

    1, The bike to become the SS has a standard freewheel roadie hub and
    casette. Do I need to replace the casette with something that has one
    sprocket only, or can I remove the sprockets from the casette and
    rebuild it with spacers where the unneeded sprockets were?

    2, How the hell do you take apart a casette? Given Sheldon says "You can
    often get a suitable number of spacers by taking apart a couple of
    discarded, worn-out cassettes" I'm assuming you can take them apart but
    I'm wondering how destructive you have to be about it.

    DaveB "high on citrus fumes"

  2. DaveB said:

    Ok so I have the house to myself for an afternoon's quality
    study and I make the fatal mistake of "a quick look" at
    Sheldon Brown's single speed page. The next thing you know the
    house stinks of citrus degreaser and there's a 6 speed casette
    sitting where the text book should be. So here's my two
    questions which hopefully nobody will answer till after I've
    actually done some study.

    1, The bike to become the SS has a standard freewheel roadie
    hub and casette. Do I need to replace the casette with
    something that has one sprocket only, or can I remove the
    sprockets from the casette and rebuild it with spacers where
    the unneeded sprockets were?

    I don't know the answer to that one.

    Quoted message said:

    2, How the hell do you take apart a casette? Given Sheldon
    says "You can often get a suitable number of spacers by taking
    apart a couple of discarded, worn-out cassettes" I'm assuming
    you can take them apart but I'm wondering how destructive you
    have to be about it.

    Quoted message said:

    Wrong terminology, I should have said I have a freewheel
    (Suntour) not a casette. So how much does that change things?

    No destruction should be necessary. I have an old dismantled
    5-speed Suntour freewheel in my hand. You could once readily
    buy individual Suntour sprockets to replace worn ones. On the
    5-speed at least, the 2 small sprockets screw on, and the other
    3 are on splines (and held on by the 2 screwed-on ones).

    The screw-on sprockets get tightened by peddling force, so you
    need to be forceful to take it apart. I use an old chain
    wrapped around the large sprocket with the ends anchored in a
    vice to hold the freewheel. Then unscrew the smallest sprocket
    with a "bike hand" (piece of chain attached to a lever).

    You may need to put a piece of pipe on the "bike hand" for extra
    leverage. As a last resort, you can rotate the sprocket off
    using a hammer and a soft drift (like a piece of hardwood).
    But be aware that _too_ much force applied this way onto
    individual teeth can snap them off.

    John

  3. DaveB said:

    Ok so I have the house to myself for an afternoon's quality study and I
    make the fatal mistake of "a quick look" at Sheldon Brown's single speed
    page. The next thing you know the house stinks of citrus degreaser and
    there's a 6 speed casette sitting where the text book should be. So
    here's my two questions which hopefully nobody will answer till after
    I've actually done some study.

    1, The bike to become the SS has a standard freewheel roadie hub and
    casette. Do I need to replace the casette with something that has one
    sprocket only, or can I remove the sprockets from the casette and
    rebuild it with spacers where the unneeded sprockets were?

    2, How the hell do you take apart a casette? Given Sheldon says "You can
    often get a suitable number of spacers by taking apart a couple of
    discarded, worn-out cassettes" I'm assuming you can take them apart but
    I'm wondering how destructive you have to be about it.

    DaveB "high on citrus fumes"

    dont they all just fall apart into their separate pieces once pulled off the cassette body? (campy do...)
    some older cassettes are mad of 'groups' (for want of correct term) comprising 2-3 cogs. is this what you have neded up with?
    If yuze got the roight tool to undo the ockring thingy you should just be able to slide the bits off.
    i see a trip to LBS for you to get appropriate tool and extra spacers

  4. "DaveB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ok so I have the house to myself for an afternoon's quality study and I
    make the fatal mistake of "a quick look" at Sheldon Brown's single speed
    page. The next thing you know the house stinks of citrus degreaser and
    there's a 6 speed casette sitting where the text book should be. So
    here's my two questions which hopefully nobody will answer till after
    I've actually done some study.

    1, The bike to become the SS has a standard freewheel roadie hub and
    casette. Do I need to replace the casette with something that has one
    sprocket only, or can I remove the sprockets from the casette and
    rebuild it with spacers where the unneeded sprockets were?

    2, How the hell do you take apart a casette? Given Sheldon says "You can
    often get a suitable number of spacers by taking apart a couple of
    discarded, worn-out cassettes" I'm assuming you can take them apart but
    I'm wondering how destructive you have to be about it.

    DaveB "high on citrus fumes"


    well you were in the right place, just on the wrong page.
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/freewheels.html#replace

  5. DaveB said:

    Ok so I have the house to myself for an afternoon's quality study and I
    make the fatal mistake of "a quick look" at Sheldon Brown's single speed
    page. The next thing you know the house stinks of citrus degreaser and
    there's a 6 speed casette sitting where the text book should be. So
    here's my two questions which hopefully nobody will answer till after
    I've actually done some study.

    1, The bike to become the SS has a standard freewheel roadie hub and
    casette. Do I need to replace the casette with something that has one
    sprocket only, or can I remove the sprockets from the casette and
    rebuild it with spacers where the unneeded sprockets were?

    2, How the hell do you take apart a casette? Given Sheldon says "You can
    often get a suitable number of spacers by taking apart a couple of
    discarded, worn-out cassettes" I'm assuming you can take them apart but
    I'm wondering how destructive you have to be about it.

    DaveB "high on citrus fumes"

    1a. No......
    1b. Yes.

    Pull apart cassette/s. Choose sprocket size you want. Put spacers & chosen sprocket back on. Take some time here to get the chain-line as straight as possible. You may need the smallest sprocket (ie, 11 or 12) as well as the lock ring to hold everything in place properly.

    2. Some cassettes use small allen keyed bolts (~2mm) or hex bolts, while some are riveted together. Undo bolts or drill/dremel/crowbar/angle grind the rivets.

    You will need more than one cassette worth of spacers to fill the gap from the missing/redundant sprockets.

    Enjoy the SS :-)


  6. Quoted message said:

    i see a trip to LBS for you to get appropriate tool and extra spacers

    I thought I had the appropriate tool, it's called a 600mm pipe wrench
    (that oughta have those anti-multigrip people cringing). But alas still
    couldn't manage to get a combination of that, some old lengths of chain
    and a vice to have much impact. Amazingly after that the sprockets still
    look ok. Looks like a discussion required on BR tomorrow.

    DaveB

  7. Soiler/Dutch/Gags are any of you BR'ing tomorrow? If so I might bring
    the bloody thing along for closer examination.

    DaveB "with no option left but to study"

  8. DaveB said:


    Quoted message said:

    i see a trip to LBS for you to get appropriate tool and extra spacers

    I thought I had the appropriate tool, it's called a 600mm pipe wrench
    (that oughta have those anti-multigrip people cringing). But alas still
    couldn't manage to get a combination of that, some old lengths of chain
    and a vice to have much impact. Amazingly after that the sprockets still
    look ok. Looks like a discussion required on BR tomorrow.

    DaveB

    Are you sure it's a cassette & not a cluster?

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/freewheels.html#replace

  9. DaveB said:

    Soiler/Dutch/Gags are any of you BR'ing tomorrow? If so I might bring
    the bloody thing along for closer examination.

    DaveB "with no option left but to study"

    genvale for moi

    D"ooooooh. no hill!"Dutch

  10. Bikesoiler said:


    Are you sure it's a cassette & not a cluster?

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/freewheels.html#replace

    I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CONFUSED!!!

    DaveB "over the whole thing"

  11. DaveB said:
    Bikesoiler said:


    Are you sure it's a cassette & not a cluster?

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/freewheels.html#replace

    I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CONFUSED!!!

    DaveB "over the whole thing"

    Okay can someone tell me is this:
    http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~dbuerckner/bikestuff/front1.jpg
    http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~dbuerckner/bikestuff/front2.jpg
    http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~dbuerckner/bikestuff/rear1.jpg

    a) a cluster
    b) a freewheel
    c) a cassette
    d) a combination of the above
    e) the work of the devil designed to drive me to insanity

    DaveB "i think I'd rather just go for a ride"

  12. "stu" wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    b) a freewheel


    I'll second that.


  13. Quoted message said:

    b) a freewheel

  14. DaveB said:

    Okay can someone tell me is this:

    http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~dbuerckner/bikestuff/front1.jpg

    http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~dbuerckner/bikestuff/front2.jpg

    Unfortunately, the photos of these two are too indistinct for me
    to be sure.

    http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~dbuerckner/bikestuff/rear1.jpg

    This one's a freewheel. It's often also called a cluster. But
    cassettes sometimes get called clusters too.

    It's a freewheel because it screws onto the hub, and contains
    the freewheel (ratcheting) mechanism. Just to confuse things,
    a freewheel needn't be multiple speed (ie, have multiple
    sprockets). A cluster is multiple speed, but could refer to a
    freewheel or a cassette.

    A cassette is just an assembly of sprockets, with no
    freewheeling (ratcheting) mechanism. Instead, the freewheeling
    mechanism is built into or onto the hub, and the cassette is a
    replacable attachment.

    So there's three different sorts of things here: single-speed
    freewheel, multiple-speed freewheel, and cassette (multiple
    speed).

    See http://sheldonbrown.com/free-k7.html

    Quoted message said:

    a) a cluster
    b) a freewheel
    c) a cassette
    d) a combination of the above
    e) the work of the devil designed to drive me to insanity

    And yes, they're all works of the devil.

    John

  15. John Henderson said:


    This one's a freewheel. It's often also called a cluster. But
    cassettes sometimes get called clusters too.

    Ok that'll explain why I'm so confused.

    DaveB

  16. "DaveB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Soiler/Dutch/Gags are any of you BR'ing tomorrow? If so I might bring
    the bloody thing along for closer examination.

    DaveB "with no option left but to study"

    Unfortunately I can't come.....I have been away for work too much lately and
    I still haven't fully shaken a flu that I have had for the last week or so.

    From what I understand, if you have a freewheel that screws off of the hub,
    then you can replace it with a screw on freewheel that is only a single
    speed one. Prob should take it into Peter Moore's and get him to have a
    look.

    Cheers,

    Gags

  17. DaveB said:
    John Henderson said:


    This one's a freewheel. It's often also called a cluster. But
    cassettes sometimes get called clusters too.

    Ok that'll explain why I'm so confused.

    DaveB

    Clusters screw onto hubs. The cluster has the freewheel mechanism inside
    it.

    Cassettes fit on splined hubs. With a cassette, the freewheel mechanism
    is in the hub. I think (but I'm probably wrong) that the first splined
    cassettes came with maybe 7sp?

    And a BMX cog is also known as a freewheel sometimes.

    HTH.

    --
    Nick

  18. quote='DaveB'DaveB said:
    Bikesoiler said:


    Are you sure it's a cassette & not a cluster?

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/freewheels.html#replace

    I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CONFUSED!!!

    DaveB "over the whole thing"

    Okay can someone tell me is this:
    http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~dbuerckner/bikestuff/front1.jpg
    http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~dbuerckner/bikestuff/front2.jpg
    http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~dbuerckner/bikestuff/rear1.jpg

    a) a cluster
    b) a freewheel
    c) a cassette
    d) a combination of the above
    e) the work of the devil designed to drive me to insanity

    DaveB "i think I'd rather just go for a ride"[/QUOTE]

    a) You have a cluster.
    Yes, it has a freewheel inside it, but call it a cluster ie multi cogs. A cassette is not a cluster, just a pile of cogs that slide on a splined hub. A cassette hub has the freewheel built in.

    So.... this means stop trying to pull it apart. 🙂

    Either, get a single cog freewheel & thread it on in place of this cluster or,
    ghetto SS it by using a straight chain to one of the cluster cogs with no derailleur.

  19. Bikesoiler said:

    a) You have a cluster.

    ghetto SS it by using a straight chain to one of the cluster cogs with no derailleur.

    can you put the cluster on upside down?

  20. NoZX6R said:

    Clusters screw onto hubs. The cluster has the freewheel
    mechanism inside it.

    But international usage has Sheldon Brown talking about a
    "cassette cluster" on http://sheldonbrown.com/free-k7.html

    Quoted message said:

    Cassettes fit on splined hubs. With a cassette, the freewheel
    mechanism is in the hub. I think (but I'm probably wrong) that
    the first splined cassettes came with maybe 7sp?

    And a BMX cog is also known as a freewheel sometimes.

    John

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