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Stem sizing question for bike fit experts

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  1. Bike A has 54cm top tube, 73° head angle, 73° seat angle, 115mm stem.
    Bike B has 54cm top tube, 73° head angle, 74° seat angle.
    Bike B has a seatpost w/sufficient setback to push the saddle back as
    far as necessary to duplicate the KOPS of bike A, and slightly longer
    chainstays/wheelbase to compensate for shifting the weight distribution
    rearward.

    What stem length is needed for bike B to replicate the upper body
    extension of bike A? Is it (a) 115mm, (b)110mm, or (c)105mm?
    Thank you for your help.

  2. On 1 Sep 2005 16:22:02 -0700, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Bike A has 54cm top tube, 73° head angle, 73° seat angle, 115mm stem.
    Bike B has 54cm top tube, 73° head angle, 74° seat angle.
    Bike B has a seatpost w/sufficient setback to push the saddle back as
    far as necessary to duplicate the KOPS of bike A, and slightly longer

    Which is how far? You need both the seat angle and the seattube length to
    do that calculation (actually, you need seattube length plus exposed
    seatpost length for the exact number). Assuming a 50 cm seat tube, the
    difference that the 1 degree of angle makes is about 500 * (sin 1) mm, aka
    8.7 mm. So your seatpost lug will be nearly a cm further forward, by the
    time you're at the saddle it'll probably be a bit more than a cm, and you
    should probably go to a 105 stem to compensate.

    Jasper

  3. I have a hard time worrying about 3/8 of an inch difference in reach. I'd
    go with a 110 MM so I would not be any less reach or just stick with the 115
    mm.

    Ken

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    Bike A has 54cm top tube, 73° head angle, 73° seat angle, 115mm stem.
    Bike B has 54cm top tube, 73° head angle, 74° seat angle.
    Bike B has a seatpost w/sufficient setback to push the saddle back as
    far as necessary to duplicate the KOPS of bike A, and slightly longer
    chainstays/wheelbase to compensate for shifting the weight distribution
    rearward.

    What stem length is needed for bike B to replicate the upper body
    extension of bike A? Is it (a) 115mm, (b)110mm, or (c)105mm?
    Thank you for your help.

  4. Quoted message said:

    Bike A has 54cm top tube, 73° head angle, 73° seat angle, 115mm stem.
    Bike B has 54cm top tube, 73° head angle, 74° seat angle.
    Bike B has a seatpost w/sufficient setback to push the saddle back as
    far as necessary to duplicate the KOPS of bike A, and slightly longer
    chainstays/wheelbase to compensate for shifting the weight distribution
    rearward.

    What stem length is needed for bike B to replicate the upper body
    extension of bike A? Is it (a) 115mm, (b)110mm, or (c)105mm?
    Thank you for your help.

    having the seattube 1 degree steeper roughly translates to 1cm longer
    top tube,as you move the saddle back to get KOPS, so a 1 cm shorter
    stem than on Bicycle A.

  5. Jasper Janssen said:


    Which is how far? You need both the seat angle and the seattube length to
    do that calculation (actually, you need seattube length plus exposed
    seatpost length for the exact number). Assuming a 50 cm seat tube, the
    difference that the 1 degree of angle makes is about 500 * (sin 1) mm, aka
    8.7 mm. So your seatpost lug will be nearly a cm further forward, by the
    time you're at the saddle it'll probably be a bit more than a cm, and you
    should probably go to a 105 stem to compensate.


    Actually, the exposed seatpost does not matter (since he has already
    located his saddle), only the ctc seattube length. An important factor
    is whether or not the two bikes have horizontal or sloping toptubes...
    I'm assuming they are both horizontal with 55cm ctc seattubes (just
    because that is pretty average)... and if we wanted to be precise (for
    no good reason) we'd have to know a bunch of other things, too... so
    I'll assume that the following are all the same between the two bikes;
    bottom bracket height, headtube length, headset stack height, fork
    length, stem clamp height above the headset, stem angle, and the
    handlebar reach (can you tell I recently wrote a spreadsheet to deal
    with all this stuff?).

    Difference = 55*(sin(17)-sin(16)) = .92cm which means you'd like a 1cm
    shorter stem (105cm) if you wanted it to be the same as before. But
    like Ken said, 1cm on the reach is not much... maybe you'd like it a
    bit longer than before?

  6. Ron Ruff said:

    Actually, the exposed seatpost does not matter (since he has already
    located his saddle),

    Uhm.. doh.

    You're right.

    Jasper

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