Suburban Living Less Healthy

Martin Krieg <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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According to a recent study done by the Rand Corporation, if U live in
a city, you will have much better health than someone living in the
suburbs. This is largely so because, in most of America's less densely
populated areas, schools and homes and shopping services are separated
by roads that are not walkable or unsafe for cycling.

The study:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/09/27/health.sprawl.ap/index.html

The "study" was a telephone survey.

[censored] Durbin
staying quite active in suburban Tallahassee

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The "study" was a telephone survey.

And that fact it pertinent because...?

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Martin Krieg said:

According to a recent study done by the Rand Corporation, if U live in
a city, you will have much better health than someone living in the
suburbs. This is largely so because, in most of America's less densely
populated areas, schools and homes and shopping services are separated
by roads that are not walkable or unsafe for cycling.

The study:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/09/27/health.sprawl.ap/index.html

In my own local experience, a lot of it has to do with topography.
My home city of Vancouver, BC, being a port city on the west
coast of North America, generally gets its air 'refreshed' by
the Prevailing Westerlies ... which blow the city's air pollution
to all the suburbs east, and downwind, and up-river of us. So
Vancouver (Proper) frequently has cleaner air than our eastern
suburbs, whose air we sully. Sometimes we get thermal inversions
which give us a taste of our own medicine, but those are almost
fleetingly temporary.

Anyhow, if anyone /must/ live in suburbia -- try to be upwind
of urbia.

cheers,
Tom

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Terry Morse <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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censored Durbin said:

The "study" was a telephone survey.

And that fact it pertinent because...?

Tell me what result you want and I'll design a telephone survey to
deliver those results. Resources are readily available to produce an
impartial study based on facts, not opinions or perceptions.

Don't get me wrong here, I am not questioning the findings of the
study, just the methodology.

[censored] Durbin

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Terry Morse <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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censored Durbin said:

The "study" was a telephone survey.

And that fact it pertinent because...?

Tell me what result you want and I'll design a telephone survey to
deliver those results. Resources are readily available to produce an
impartial study based on facts, not opinions or perceptions.

Don't get me wrong here, I am not questioning the findings of the
study, just the methodology.

It's easy to confirm these results. Just go to a suburban mall and look
around.

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Subject: Re: Suburban Living Less Healthy
From: "Peter Cole" [email hidden]
Date: 10/2/2004 12:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time
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"[censored] Durbin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Terry Morse <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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[censored] Durbin wrote:

> The "study" was a telephone survey.

And that fact it pertinent because...?

Tell me what result you want and I'll design a telephone survey to
deliver those results. Resources are readily available to produce an
impartial study based on facts, not opinions or perceptions.

Don't get me wrong here, I am not questioning the findings of the
study, just the methodology.

It's easy to confirm these results. Just go to a suburban mall and look
around.

What's the point to all this?
Several people on this group admit they're fat and they cycle also.
Most of us probably look better than average and are healthy, but we can only
be responsible for ourselves.

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Subject: Re: Suburban Living Less Healthy
From: "Peter Cole"

"[censored] Durbin" <[email hidden]>

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Don't get me wrong here, I am not questioning the findings of the
study, just the methodology.

It's easy to confirm these results. Just go to a suburban mall and look
around.

What's the point to all this?
Several people on this group admit they're fat and they cycle also.
Most of us probably look better than average and are healthy, but we can

only

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be responsible for ourselves.

Nobody mentioned obesity, either on this thread or in the referenced
article. Suburban lifestyle makes for less incidental walking and cycling.
It is beginning to look more & more like it's the sedentary lifestyle
that's causing so much decline in health. This also contributes to obesity,
but inactivity is a killer. There are many among the heavyweight that are
quite healthy, there will always be a statistical spread, but they're
becoming ever more the exception. More people are heavy, but more
importantly, more people are sedentary. Working and shopping in the suburbs
is hard to do via walking or cycling because of the distances, the lack of
intermodal facilities, and the general lack of accommodation of anything
other than a car.

It's not just that people in the mall look fat, they look unhealthy, even
the skinny ones.

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It's not just that people in the mall look fat, they look unhealthy,
even the skinny ones.

From a public health perspective this may very well be true. However
cycling can be a rewarding activity if practiced regularly.

I've certainly seen many healthy fat people, not so many healthy obese
people.

My brother's wife (anecdotally) stated that my family "Always was
slim, none of you are fat." Which is not strictly true, I have been
fat on occasion.

But my point is, good nutrition and regular exercise will keep you
out of a world of trouble. I favor bicycling and regular administration
of beer, pizza, and Chinese take-out.

Along with aspirin and multivitamins.

Look at the muscle tone to determine if the "mall skinny people"
are healthy. If their hands are clammy and their skin is loose then
they aren't exercising enough.

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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:45:02 -0700, Terry Morse <[email hidden]>

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The "study" was a telephone survey.

And that fact it pertinent because...?

Because they just called people up and asked them annoying little
"fill-in-the-blank" questions.

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Subject: Re: Suburban Living Less Healthy
From: [email hidden]

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And here we are
with gas going to 3 dollars a gallon, the world at war over oil, and
still, nobody has a clue.

Where is gas anywhere close to 3 dollars per gallon, chicken little?

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Subject: Re: Suburban Living Less Healthy
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And here we are
with gas going to 3 dollars a gallon, the world at war over oil, and
still, nobody has a clue.

Where is gas anywhere close to 3 dollars per gallon, chicken little?

Although it has gone down now, earlier this year on Long Island it was
in the $2.40 + range.

Rush said:

On a touring bike, you can easily average 25 miles per hour, how
many people live less than 13 miles from work?

Easily?

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Subject: Re: Suburban Living Less Healthy
From: Mark and Christine [email hidden]
Date: 10/2/2004 8:04 PM US Eastern Standard Time
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Subject: Re: Suburban Living Less Healthy
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And here we are
with gas going to 3 dollars a gallon, the world at war over oil, and
still, nobody has a clue.

Where is gas anywhere close to 3 dollars per gallon, chicken little?

Although it has gone down now, earlier this year on Long Island it was
in the $2.40 + range.

That's nowhere near 3 dollars now is it? You've taken 2 dollars and stretched
it to it's highest limits in some crowded city.

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Rush said:

On a touring bike, you can easily average 25 miles per hour, how
many people live less than 13 miles from work?

Easily?

He meant 25 km/hour, doncha think?

Me, I regularly dawdle at about 12 -13 mph on the way to work, unless I have
some reason to ride faster.

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David L. Johnson said:

Rush said:

On a touring bike, you can easily average 25 miles per hour, how
many people live less than 13 miles from work?

Easily?

That was my thought too;-) I have to work at it, to average 15 mph.
And 20 is an impossible dream for me. So 25, wow!

Life is Good!
Jeff

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On a touring bike, you can easily average 25 miles per hour,

Actually, I can't, but that's beside the point.

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"Peter Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<nbB7d.97377$wV.75926@attbi_s54>...

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"[censored] Durbin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Don't get me wrong here, I am not questioning the findings of the
study, just the methodology.

It's easy to confirm these results. Just go to a suburban mall and look
around.

You can tell just by looking at them that suburbanites have more
"chronic health problems such as high blood pressure, arthritis,
headaches and breathing difficulties" just by looking at them? Man,
you're good.

[censored] Durbin

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Subject: Re: Suburban Living Less Healthy
From: Mark and Christine [email hidden]
Date: 10/2/2004 8:04 PM US Eastern Standard Time
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(Fx199) said:

>Subject: Re: Suburban Living Less Healthy
>From: [email hidden]

> And here we are
>with gas going to 3 dollars a gallon, the world at war over oil, and
>still, nobody has a clue.

Where is gas anywhere close to 3 dollars per gallon, chicken little?

Although it has gone down now, earlier this year on Long Island it was
in the $2.40 + range.

That's nowhere near 3 dollars now is it? You've taken 2 dollars and stretched
it to it's highest limits in some crowded city.

Mathematically it depends on the range. It is closer to $3.00 if your
lower limit is less than $1.75. Your are splitting hairs using
literals, which doesn't say too much for you ability to look openly at
the discussion.

Plop

Christine

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in the $2.40 + range.

That's nowhere near 3 dollars now is it? You've taken 2 dollars and

stretched

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it to it's highest limits in some crowded city.

Mathematically it depends on the range. It is closer to $3.00 if your
lower limit is less than $1.75. Your are splitting hairs using
literals, which doesn't say too much for you ability to look openly at
the discussion.

Plop

Christine

Plop right back.
You don't have to be a mathematician to know 2.40 is NOT anywhere close to 3
dollars. Splitting hairs looking for 3 dollar per gallon gasolinr after it was
declared to be, than hearing 2.40 was the highest anyone could come up with?
Please.
Why not just say gas is 4 bucks a gallon?