Super Size Me

Cubit wrote:
:: I rented the movie last night too. I watched it with my parents who
:: had not seen it before.
::
:: Roger Zoul's and BJ's review of a movie they HAVE NOT SEEN is
:: irresponsibly misleading those who have so much to gain in seeing it.

First off, I didn't review the film. Second, information about this film
just now released on DVD has been out for a long time and has been discussed
a lot. I've even seen stuff on TV about it. The same points could have
been arrive at in several different ways. However, McDonalds makes for a
good target, but everyone knows it, and hence it was a good way to enhance
the appeal of his [censored] film.

::
:: The movie was not about overeating. The meals were the normal meals
:: one expects to buy at McDonalds. The only time he supersized was
:: when the staff at McDonalds urged him too.

Asking the question of 'do you want that supersized' is not urging, it is a
question. The fact that he always said YES is irresponsible of him.

If the guy, a normalized guy, was eating 5000 kcal per day, then he was
overeating. If he was eating Big Mac's, supersize frieds, and milkstakes,
and dessert, he was definitely overeating. You aren't trying to say he
didn't overeat, are you? Answering yes to every question asked is a good
recipe for over eating.

One does not expect to eat every meal every day at McDonalds. It's a stupid
notion.

Why is it that we want to make others responsible for the decisions that WE
make?

One of those staff
:: members claimed that almost everyone they asked would supersize upon
:: request.

And that is proof of something? I know many people who don't supersize.

::
:: There is an amazing segment showing how and what children are eating
:: in schools these days. A Weight Loss Surgery patient goes under the
:: knife. There are Jay Leno style man-in-the-street interviews about
:: fast food, and questions about what a calorie is. We watch the
:: blood tests and results. The doctors show genuine surprise. His
:: girlfriend describes changes in his sex life. Above all that, the
:: movie is interesting.
::
:: It is true that the typical medical doctors blamed fat. However, it
:: doesn't take Einstein to see the high percentage of carbs. I wish
:: there had been some measuring of all the transfats that McDonalds
:: fed him.

It does take an Einstein in this country to even assume that carbs are a
problem. Atkins spent a lifetime to get that point across and many, many
people STILL have not accepted it.

You don't think your local supermarket isn't lined asle-by-asle with
products filled with transfats? You don't need to go to McDonalds to get
transfats, McD didn't invent them and they should not be singled out,
amongst zillions of other food establishments, for using them.

::
:: I still have the rental. Today I am going to review the extra
:: features.

I hope you enjoy being manipulated.

::
::
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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::: The thing that bugs me about the film is the fact that they picked
::: on McDonalds. I just think it is totally unfair to do such a thing.
::: I can easily eat 5000 cals a day just a home, buying junk food from
::: the store and making my own meals. I can mix up all the fat and
::: sugar and low-nutrient foods I want. I can ruin my health all by
::: myself and I certainly don't need a McDonalds to do it.
:::
::: OTOH, I can make a decision to eat well to maintain/improve my
::: health. And I can choose to include several items from McDonalds
::: and other fast food joints in that plan.
:::
::: I won't be watching that film.
:::
:::
::: Tom wrote:
::::: Rented it last night. Overall, we enjoyed it. What had me
::::: wondering though, was the claims that all the food he ate at
::::: McDonald's was high fat(which it probably is), but not too much
::::: was said about the amount of carbs. All of the claims of high
::::: cholesterol and bad liver function were blamed on the fat. The
::::: nutritionist he was seeing did mention the amounts of processed
::::: carbs he was eating was not the way he should be getting his
::::: calories. Even though he was eating almost 5000 Cal a day, which
::::: was double what he was eating before, he was deficient in almost
::::: all nutrients. At the end of the show, they had 2 containers of
::::: the fat and sugar he ate, for visual effect. The fat was 12lbs.
::::: The sugar was 30lbs. They didn't appear to be measuring the
::::: overall carb content so I don't think it was included in the
::::: "sugar" container. They did mention quite a lot about the amount
::::: of teaspoons of sugar in the soft drinks, so I'm pretty sure the
::::: container was mostly from the pop he drank. I wish they would
::::: have broken down the fat, protein, carb ratios a bit better.
::::: Although I think they are wrong in saying the diet was high fat,
::::: it was a good illustration of what eating to much junk food
::::: can do to you. It was amazing to see his blood levels go from
::::: healthy to terrible in
::::: such a short time. Tom 210/180/180
:::::
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:::::
:::::
::::: Tom + Pat Gallant
::::: [email hidden]

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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With a name like "Super Size Me" the target is definitely the
fast food
industry, but the problem is not the fast food industry, the
problem is us.
If you don't think that the fast food industry wouldn't
completely and
quickly change their offerings if WE stopped eating them, then
you're not
paying attention. They are selling us what WE want. If we
DECIDE to eat
better, then they will adapt or go out of business.

I think it is a pretty good bet that if everybody started asking
for and eating
carrot and celery sticks, McDonalds would sell them.

BJ

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Roger Zoul's and BJ's review of a movie they HAVE NOT SEEN is
irresponsibly
misleading those who have so much to gain in seeing it.

I guess I will have to admit I have never seen the whole thing,
about 15 minutes
into it my 'bozo' alarm started going off and I had to find
something constructive
to do.

BJ

Roger Zoul said:

J. David Anderson wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: The thing that bugs me about the film is the fact that they picked
::: on McDonalds. I just think it is totally unfair to do such a thing.
::
:: Why is that Roger? McDonalds exemplifies the very concept of mass
:: marketed, mass produced junk food. I would be surprised if they had
:: focused on junk food nutritional values and ignored McDonalds.

Go to your local supermarket and look for mass-marketed, mass-produced junk
food?

There isn't much junk food in my local supermarkets, not of the type
promoted and sold by McDonalds. There are dry goods, canned goods,
fruit, vegetables, meat, etc., etc. You could probably buy the
ingredients to make junk food without a problem, but it isn't sold *as*
junk food.

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What makes you think McDonalds has any special niche in that area other than
name recognition?

The fact that McDonalds is one of the largest of the junk food chains.
It uses advertising aimed at children, it sells [censored] that it tries to
pretend is healthy. Things like that.

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::
:: I can
::: easily eat 5000 cals a day just a home, buying junk food from the
::: store and making my own meals. I can mix up all the fat and sugar
::: and low-nutrient foods I want. I can ruin my health all by myself
::: and I certainly don't need a McDonalds to do it.
::
:: No, but you aren't spending millions of dollars every week trying to
:: convince other people to come home with you and eat your high fat,
:: high sugar, low-nutrient junk food, whereas McDonalds is.

Go to your local supermarket and look at all the zillions of products that
are high-fat, high-sugar low-nutrient junk food, and look at what the
manufactures are spending on advertising for them.

Nowhere near the McDonalds' advertising budget. In the course of a week,
I might see a dozen or so of the thousands of supermarket food lines
advertised, McDonalds ads are insidious, they are everywhere, every day.

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::
:: Look at the McLibel suit a few years ago when McDonalds sued a
:: British couple for claiming that McDonalds food was unhealthy.

Coke is unhealthy?

Yes.

Ice cream is unhealthy?

Yes.

[censored], my local supermarket

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pushes more unhealthy food than McDonalds does.

Pushes it?

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I can eat at McDonalds and many other fast food joints and stuff make decent
choices.

How? They don't *HAVE* any decent choices. High saturated and trans fat
levels, high salt, preservatives, bulk carbs, sugar packed sodas, what
is a decent choice? A preservative laden salad?

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That
:: attitude makes McDonalds *the* ideal focus for this type of
:: documentary. They have little regard for children's health, or for
:: anything other than profits.

Do I even need to respond? They are a corporation and provides goods and
services to their customers. If childrens' health is an issue, where in the
hell are their parents?

Hey! Now you are getting it.

The parents, after seeing something like "SuperSize Me" might possibly
realise that McDonalds is *not* the place to take their kids and start
them on a lifetime of poor nutrition.

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Geez....let's blame everyone else for our problems, but take no
resposibility for them ourselves. Yeah.

Unfortunately there are many people who simply don't realise that junk
food is so unhealthy. Cigarettes have to have warnings on the packets,
they have (in Aus) banned all public advertising and association with
sports because they are unhealthy, so why not do something similar for
unhealthy junk food that is promoted to kids(and many not so bright
adults) as being nutritious? At least make people aware that it is
unhealthy.

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Any steps they have taken toward
:: realistic disclosure of the true nutritional values of their food
:: have been slow, grudging, reluctant, and seem only to be made just
:: in time to avoid placing themselves in legal jeopardy. Tell me that
:: they don't know about trans fats? Why do they continue to use them?

Do I even need to respond? The transfats issue is virtually in all segments
of the food industry in this country.

So don't support a company that uses it in almost every product they sell.

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:: Because they make more profit. I don't know about McDonalds over
:: there nowadays, but here they also have had major problems and very
:: bad publicity regarding the hiring and firing of junior staff, with
:: underpaying and poor treatment being commonplace. They seem to have
:: little regard for anyone, certainly not those who work for them.

This is corporate reality. Even heard of Wal-mart? Do you think this is
even the main message of this film?

Cigarette and alcohol manufacturers are also corporate realities. They
have been made to abide by rigid restrictions regarding advertising and
sales to minors, why not include an industry that is doing more harm
than both of them?

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::
::
::
:::
::: OTOH, I can make a decision to eat well to maintain/improve my
::: health. And I can choose to include several items from McDonalds
::: and other fast food joints in that plan.
::
:: The target audience isn't those people who can make informed
:: decisions regarding fast food, it those people who eat fast food
:: everyday without realising just how dangerous it is to their health.

It's not just fast food. It's not just McDonalds. It's your local
supermarket too. Sam's Club, Costco, etc.
Ever look at the foods people put in their shopping baskets?

Yes. When shopping they have choices, nutrition labels, competing
brands. Everything you buy in McDonalds is unhealthy.

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::
:::
::: I won't be watching that film.
::
:: Sounds a little like you are burying your head in the sand. Why not
:: watch it? You seem to have strong opinions about it, why not find out
:: whether your opinions are valid?

I know they are. Do you really think that anyone is going to pay attention
to what this guy did?

Why not? You certainly are and you haven't seen the movie.

No one eats exclusively at McDonalds and expects not

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to get fat.

Many people eat at junk food outlets for most of their meals.

People just aren't that stupid and they will simply discount

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the entire thing since they know they don't eat that way.

A lot of people are exactly that stupid. Walk into McDonalds and look at
the number of overweight and obese regulars that are queuing there. They
didn't get that way by eating a very healthy diet with just an
occasional visit to McDonalds.

They'll see the

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guy for what he was doing, trying to find a topic for a film so he can make
money and/or gain fame.

Wow. Another corporate reality; making money out of film-making. It
might make money, but is also has a message.

Regards

David

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BJ in Texas said:

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True, but the content of those calories does have a big impact
on health.

That's a choice... I haven't ever been kidnapped, dragged into a
McDonalds
and force fed hamburgers and fries.

And the movie simply gave its viewers yet another reason why they would not
want to CHOOSE to eat at McD's as a regular part of their culture. Unless
one has the intellect of a gnat, making the connection with other junk
foods (no matter where it's bought) is pretty much a logical progression.

I haven't eaten at McD's for 10 years, but let me tell you, when I did, I
was seriously *hooked*. I'd go out of my way for a McChicken, or a big
Mac. The stuff in their products is definitely designed by people who want
repeat customers. And yet, the quality, by comparison to delicious home
cooked meals, is utter [censored]!

And being eaten massively by the masses.

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Cheri

J. David Anderson wrote in message ...

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Why is that Roger? McDonalds exemplifies the very concept of mass
marketed, mass produced junk food. I would be surprised if they had
focused on junk food nutritional values and ignored McDonalds.

"Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<DVd7d.560034$M95.525734@pd7tw1no>...

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Rented it last night. Overall, we enjoyed it. What had me wondering
though, was the claims that all the food he ate at McDonald's was high
fat(which it probably is), but not too much was said about the amount of
carbs. All of the claims of high cholesterol and bad liver function were
blamed on the fat. The nutritionist he was seeing did mention the amounts of
processed carbs he was eating was not the way he should be getting his
calories. Even though he was eating almost 5000 Cal a day, which was double
what he was eating before, he was deficient in almost all nutrients. At the
end of the show, they had 2 containers of the fat and sugar he ate, for
visual effect. The fat was 12lbs. The sugar was 30lbs. They didn't appear to
be measuring the overall carb content so I don't think it was included in
the "sugar" container. They did mention quite a lot about the amount of
teaspoons of sugar in the soft drinks, so I'm pretty sure the container was
mostly from the pop he drank. I wish they would have broken down the fat,
protein, carb ratios a bit better. Although I think they are wrong in saying
the diet was high fat, it was a good illustration of what eating to much
junk food can do to you. It was amazing to see his blood levels go from
healthy to terrible in such a short time.
Tom
210/180/180

http://www.mcdonalds.com/usa/eat/nutrition_info.html

The only thing I could find on the McDonalds nutrition website that
didn't have added sugars or carbs was the 100% whole-beef patty. And I
would guess that if they hadn't made a big marketing splash about
their beef being 100% whole-beef, that they would add sugar to that
too.

The amounts of refined carbs in mcdonalds food is absolutely
staggering.

TC

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::
:: So what does it prove besides the fact the guys an idiot?
:: BJ

Nothing.

Think of this, though: he had an original concept for a film. He followed
through with creation and marketing and he is making some bucks off of it.
He has been on various radio talk shows promoting it and himself. If
nothing else, it proves that he's a guy with some originality and
promise...and laughing all the way to the bank.

Pat in TX

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Roger Zoul said:

The thing that bugs me about the film is the fact that they picked on
McDonalds. I just think it is totally unfair to do such a thing. I
can easily eat 5000 cals a day just a home, buying junk food from the
store and making my own meals. I can mix up all the fat and sugar and
low-nutrient foods I want. I can ruin my health all by myself and I
certainly don't need a McDonalds to do it.

The point was, McDonald's is WAY bigger than everyone else, and they
market to children more than anyone else. But it was never suggested
that they're the only ones with unhealthy food.
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"Klaatu borada nikto."

Ignoramus4980 said:

Both times, as soon as we came home, he was hungry again and asked for
more food.

Those evil carbs! The filmmaker also mentioned that he was getting
cravings for more food, the more he ate.
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"I stayed up all night playing poker with tarot cards. I got a full
house and four people died." - Steven Wright

Yes. You could be quite right. Transfats do act as a preservative.

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I rented the movie last night too. I watched it with my parents who had

not

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seen it before.

Roger Zoul's and BJ's review of a movie they HAVE NOT SEEN is

irresponsibly

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misleading those who have so much to gain in seeing it.

The movie was not about overeating. The meals were the normal meals one
expects to buy at McDonalds. The only time he supersized was when the

staff

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at McDonalds urged him too. One of those staff members claimed that

almost

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everyone they asked would supersize upon request.

There is an amazing segment showing how and what children are eating in
schools these days. A Weight Loss Surgery patient goes under the knife.
There are Jay Leno style man-in-the-street interviews about fast food,

and

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questions about what a calorie is. We watch the blood tests and

results.

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The doctors show genuine surprise. His girlfriend describes changes in

his

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sex life. Above all that, the movie is interesting.

It is true that the typical medical doctors blamed fat. However, it

doesn't

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take Einstein to see the high percentage of carbs. I wish there had

been

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some measuring of all the transfats that McDonalds fed him.

Look at the "smoking fry" in the bonus features. He put various

burgers

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and fries in different jars. The best comparison was the MacDonald's fries
to fries from a local ma and pa type fast food outlet. The MacDonald's

fries

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look like they were bought yesterday even after over a month. The other
fries deteriated within days. Possibly transfat oil for frying preserved
them?

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I still have the rental. Today I am going to review the extra features.

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The thing that bugs me about the film is the fact that they picked on
McDonalds. I just think it is totally unfair to do such a thing. I

can

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easily eat 5000 cals a day just a home, buying junk food from the

store

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and

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making my own meals. I can mix up all the fat and sugar and

low-nutrient

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foods I want. I can ruin my health all by myself and I certainly

don't

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need

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a McDonalds to do it.

OTOH, I can make a decision to eat well to maintain/improve my health.

And

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I can choose to include several items from McDonalds and other fast

food

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joints in that plan.

I won't be watching that film.

Tom wrote:
:: Rented it last night. Overall, we enjoyed it. What had me

wondering

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:: though, was the claims that all the food he ate at McDonald's was
:: high fat(which it probably is), but not too much was said about the
:: amount of carbs. All of the claims of high cholesterol and bad

liver

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:: function were blamed on the fat. The nutritionist he was seeing did
:: mention the amounts of processed carbs he was eating was not the

way

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:: he should be getting his calories. Even though he was eating almost
:: 5000 Cal a day, which was double what he was eating before, he was
:: deficient in almost all nutrients. At the end of the show, they had
:: 2 containers of the fat and sugar he ate, for visual effect. The

fat

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:: was 12lbs. The sugar was 30lbs. They didn't appear to be measuring
:: the overall carb content so I don't think it was included in the
:: "sugar" container. They did mention quite a lot about the amount of
:: teaspoons of sugar in the soft drinks, so I'm pretty sure the
:: container was mostly from the pop he drank. I wish they would have
:: broken down the fat, protein, carb ratios a bit better. Although I
:: think they are wrong in saying the diet was high fat, it was a good
:: illustration of what eating to much junk food can do to you. It was
:: amazing to see his blood levels go from healthy to terrible in
:: such a short time. Tom 210/180/180
::
:: --
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::
::
:: Tom + Pat Gallant
:: [email hidden]

Pat wrote:
||||| So what does it prove besides the fact the guys an idiot?
||||| BJ
|||
||| Nothing.
||
|| Think of this, though: he had an original concept for a film. He
|| followed through with creation and marketing and he is making some
|| bucks off of it. He has been on various radio talk shows promoting
|| it and himself. If nothing else, it proves that he's a guy with
|| some originality and promise...and laughing all the way to the bank.
||
|| Pat in TX

Yes, I grant him that!

Crafting Mom wrote:
|| BJ in Texas wrote:
||
|||
||| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
||| news:[email hidden]...
||||
|||| True, but the content of those calories does have a big impact
|||| on health.
||||
|||
||| That's a choice... I haven't ever been kidnapped, dragged into a
||| McDonalds
||| and force fed hamburgers and fries.
||
|| And the movie simply gave its viewers yet another reason why they
|| would not want to CHOOSE to eat at McD's as a regular part of their
|| culture. Unless one has the intellect of a gnat, making the
|| connection with other junk foods (no matter where it's bought) is
|| pretty much a logical progression.

One can pick decently healthy foods of the mcdonalds menu - assuming one had
the intellect of a gnat, that is.

||
|| I haven't eaten at McD's for 10 years, but let me tell you, when I
|| did, I was seriously *hooked*. I'd go out of my way for a
|| McChicken, or a big Mac. The stuff in their products is definitely
|| designed by people who want repeat customers. And yet, the quality,
|| by comparison to delicious home cooked meals, is utter [censored]!

Perhaps that's because you were lacking in the intellect department, or you
were just ignorant.
Home cooked meal don't have to be delicious and they can too be full of
[censored]. In fact, I'd venture to say that plenty are...

J. David Anderson wrote:
|| Roger Zoul wrote:
||
||| J. David Anderson wrote:
||||| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||||| The thing that bugs me about the film is the fact that they
|||||| picked
|||||| on McDonalds. I just think it is totally unfair to do such a
|||||| thing.
|||||
||||| Why is that Roger? McDonalds exemplifies the very concept of mass
||||| marketed, mass produced junk food. I would be surprised if they
||||| had focused on junk food nutritional values and ignored McDonalds.
|||
||| Go to your local supermarket and look for mass-marketed,
||| mass-produced junk food?
||
|| There isn't much junk food in my local supermarkets,

Just where do you live? There is mostly junk food in my local supermarkets.

not of the type
|| promoted and sold by McDonalds. There are dry goods, canned goods,
|| fruit, vegetables, meat, etc., etc. You could probably buy the
|| ingredients to make junk food without a problem, but it isn't sold
|| *as*
|| junk food.

Obviously, you don't live in the states. You can buy basically the same
junk food at the supermarket that you can get a McDs. What breaded chicken
nuggets, they've got them. What a cheap pie, they've got that. What any
number of highly processed foods, they've got them by the tons. Every type
in umpteen variations.

||
||
|||
||| What makes you think McDonalds has any special niche in that area
||| other than name recognition?
||
|| The fact that McDonalds is one of the largest of the junk food
|| chains.
|| It uses advertising aimed at children, it sells [censored] that it tries to
|| pretend is healthy. Things like that.

So? Who doesn't use ads aim at children? How is McD unique in that regard?
Everybody seells [censored]. And ONe can make decent choices there that are part
of a healthy eat plan. If you don't see that, you're simply not being fair,
which is obviously why you're buying into this film and the author's selfish
goals.

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||||| I can
|||||| easily eat 5000 cals a day just a home, buying junk food from the
|||||| store and making my own meals. I can mix up all the fat and
|||||| sugar
|||||| and low-nutrient foods I want. I can ruin my health all by
|||||| myself
|||||| and I certainly don't need a McDonalds to do it.
|||||
||||| No, but you aren't spending millions of dollars every week trying
||||| to convince other people to come home with you and eat your high
||||| fat,
||||| high sugar, low-nutrient junk food, whereas McDonalds is.
|||
||| Go to your local supermarket and look at all the zillions of
||| products that are high-fat, high-sugar low-nutrient junk food, and
||| look at what the manufactures are spending on advertising for them.
||
|| Nowhere near the McDonalds' advertising budget. In the course of a
|| week,
|| I might see a dozen or so of the thousands of supermarket food lines
|| advertised, McDonalds ads are insidious, they are everywhere, every
|| day.

Excuse me. If you add up all of the advertising that goes on the push the
junk food in your local supermarket, it would easily make McDs look sad.

I never see an McD ad except when I pass by a store and see the sign with a
special in front.

||
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|||||
||||| Look at the McLibel suit a few years ago when McDonalds sued a
||||| British couple for claiming that McDonalds food was unhealthy.
|||
||| Coke is unhealthy?
||
|| Yes.

Prove it.

||
|| Ice cream is unhealthy?
||
|| Yes.

Prove it.

||
|| [censored], my local supermarket
||| pushes more unhealthy food than McDonalds does.
||
|| Pushes it?

Hell yes they push it. You don't get circulars with your local newspaper?
You've never heard of placement on the shelves of products at eye level? Do
you something think that supermarket chains are in the business of making
money? Have you every heard of Wal-mart? Please!

||
|||
||| I can eat at McDonalds and many other fast food joints and stuff
||| make decent choices.
|||
||
|| How? They don't *HAVE* any decent choices.

[censored].

High saturated and trans
|| fat levels, high salt, preservatives, bulk carbs, sugar packed
|| sodas, what
|| is a decent choice? A preservative laden salad?

What preservative laden salads? Tell me how you plan to avoid eating this
kind of stuff in any food establishment? Heck, let's discuss how hard it is
to avoid this stuff if you purchase food at your local supermarket? Only
those who read all the labels and make an decided effort will have a chance,
and even then it won't be easy. But you, for some unknown reason, expect
McD, and none others, to be able to rise above.

||
||
||| That
||||| attitude makes McDonalds *the* ideal focus for this type of
||||| documentary. They have little regard for children's health, or for
||||| anything other than profits.
|||
||| Do I even need to respond? They are a corporation and provides
||| goods and services to their customers. If childrens' health is an
||| issue, where in the hell are their parents?
||
|| Hey! Now you are getting it.
||
|| The parents, after seeing something like "SuperSize Me" might
|| possibly realise that McDonalds is *not* the place to take their
|| kids and start
|| them on a lifetime of poor nutrition.

I'm willing to bet money they won't because most parent will see through the
ruse of the film, unlike you. Heck, this film has been out for a while now,
why don't you comment on how McD sales have dropped off to nil?

||
|||
||| Geez....let's blame everyone else for our problems, but take no
||| resposibility for them ourselves. Yeah.
||
|| Unfortunately there are many people who simply don't realise that
|| junk
|| food is so unhealthy.

Most people realize that junk food is unhealthy. Even teenage girls know
it. Just ask one.

Cigarettes have to have warnings on the
|| packets,
|| they have (in Aus) banned all public advertising and association with
|| sports because they are unhealthy, so why not do something similar
|| for unhealthy junk food that is promoted to kids(and many not so
|| bright
|| adults) as being nutritious? At least make people aware that it is
|| unhealthy.

If you had a clue, you'd realize how difficult to impossible it is to prove
that eating one serving of any food is unhealthy. In fact, I'd say that it
just ain't so. No one can force someone to make the effort to maintain a
healthy diet & lifestyle over the long term, and that's the issue. Making
McD look bad is not the solution and the fact is it won't work. What is
needed is mush more education of the public about nutrition. And then you
need to motivate them for a healthy lifestyle, which also ain't gonna
happen. If it were important to people to maintain a healthy lifestyle, McD
and other fast food joints, and the contents of your local supermarket,
would be vastly different. What we get sold in all of these places are
truly a reflection of us as a whole. If we demand, with are buying dollars,
items that promote a heatlhy lifestyle, and not the others, then it would be
offered virtually over night. Just look at how quickly the food industry
jumped on the LC bandwagon. But yet, even that's starting to fade because
of ignorance and the sheer eagerness to make a buck.

||
|||
||| Any steps they have taken toward
||||| realistic disclosure of the true nutritional values of their food
||||| have been slow, grudging, reluctant, and seem only to be made just
||||| in time to avoid placing themselves in legal jeopardy. Tell me
||||| that
||||| they don't know about trans fats? Why do they continue to use
||||| them?
|||
||| Do I even need to respond? The transfats issue is virtually in all
||| segments of the food industry in this country.
||
|| So don't support a company that uses it in almost every product they
|| sell.

Please. You'd be not supporting a lot of companies because transfats are in
almost every processed food available. Why single out McD?

||
||
||||| Because they make more profit. I don't know about McDonalds over
||||| there nowadays, but here they also have had major problems and
||||| very
||||| bad publicity regarding the hiring and firing of junior staff,
||||| with underpaying and poor treatment being commonplace. They seem
||||| to have little regard for anyone, certainly not those who work
||||| for them.
|||
||| This is corporate reality. Even heard of Wal-mart? Do you think
||| this is even the main message of this film?
||
|| Cigarette and alcohol manufacturers are also corporate realities.
|| They
|| have been made to abide by rigid restrictions regarding advertising
|| and
|| sales to minors, why not include an industry that is doing more harm
|| than both of them?

First of all, there is no need to smoke or drink alcohol. Those are things
people do for pleasure.
Second, eating a serving of McNugguts is not unhealthy. You can't prove it.
Perhaps a sustained diet of foods with transfats is unhealthy, but no one is
forcing anybody to consume McNugguts at every meal or to even eat at FFJ at
every meal. And even if you ate at serveral places you can still be
consuming large amounts of transfats, sat fats, and high carb levels. So,
singling out the convenients foods industry doesn't solve any problems,
because the PROBLEMS GO MUCH DEEPER THAN THAT.

||
||
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||||
|||||| OTOH, I can make a decision to eat well to maintain/improve my
|||||| health. And I can choose to include several items from McDonalds
|||||| and other fast food joints in that plan.
|||||
||||| The target audience isn't those people who can make informed
||||| decisions regarding fast food, it those people who eat fast food
||||| everyday without realising just how dangerous it is to their
||||| health.
|||
||| It's not just fast food. It's not just McDonalds. It's your local
||| supermarket too. Sam's Club, Costco, etc.
||| Ever look at the foods people put in their shopping baskets?
||
|| Yes. When shopping they have choices, nutrition labels, competing
|| brands. Everything you buy in McDonalds is unhealthy.

You're simply ignorant.

||
||
|||||
||||||
|||||| I won't be watching that film.
|||||
||||| Sounds a little like you are burying your head in the sand. Why
||||| not watch it? You seem to have strong opinions about it, why not
||||| find out whether your opinions are valid?

Roger Zoul said:

Crafting Mom wrote:
|| BJ in Texas wrote:
||
|||
||| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
||| news:[email hidden]...
||||
|||| True, but the content of those calories does have a big impact
|||| on health.
||||
|||
||| That's a choice... I haven't ever been kidnapped, dragged into a
||| McDonalds
||| and force fed hamburgers and fries.
||
|| And the movie simply gave its viewers yet another reason why they
|| would not want to CHOOSE to eat at McD's as a regular part of their
|| culture. Unless one has the intellect of a gnat, making the
|| connection with other junk foods (no matter where it's bought) is
|| pretty much a logical progression.

One can pick decently healthy foods of the mcdonalds menu - assuming one had
the intellect of a gnat, that is.

Thank you Roger, this explains it. I have considerably more intelligence
than a gnat, so it is no wonder I can't see healthy foods in McDonalds'
Menus.

Quoted message said:

||
|| I haven't eaten at McD's for 10 years, but let me tell you, when I
|| did, I was seriously *hooked*. I'd go out of my way for a
|| McChicken, or a big Mac. The stuff in their products is definitely
|| designed by people who want repeat customers. And yet, the quality,
|| by comparison to delicious home cooked meals, is utter [censored]!

Perhaps that's because you were lacking in the intellect department, or you
were just ignorant.

Maybe she also has more intelligence than a gnat Roger, and so can't see
things from your point of view.

You are often argumentative and disagreeable, but now you are being
unnecessarily rude to a lady who was quite reasonable and polite in the
post responded to so nastily. You are not worth talking to. Have fun
at McDonalds. Bye.

David

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"Ignoramus4980" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

No, my son eats plenty of carbs at home, carbs, as such, are not the
issue. Hot cereals, fruits, and such. And he did not drink
Coke at McD. Something else was responsible.

No, I agree, Ig. There does seem to be something seriously wrong with
McDonalds food, that leads to significant overeating. And it's not just the
carbs, or the HFCS in the soft drinks. In my pre-LC days at one point I was
working impossible hours and relying on fast food to some extent for meals.
I started noticing that I'd finish off a Big Mac meal, huge burger and
supersize fries, with a Diet Coke of course, and I'd be hungry right after.
On several occasions I brought home meals for kids who turned out to be gone
by the time I got there, and ended up eating a good portion of a second
meal! I would have never in a million years been able to eat that vast
amount of calories with normal, home prepared food. There really is
something about the McDonalds food that stimulates the desire to eat more.
Maybe it works better with some people than others, dunno. But it's a real
effect.

HG

BJ in Texas said:

That's a choice... I haven't ever been kidnapped, dragged into a
McDonalds
and force fed hamburgers and fries.

BJ

An interesting article on two other people who went on a "McDiet"
for 30 days and had different outcome -- because they went with a
different objective is at:

http://www.techcentralstation.com/090804G.html

"But Ms. Whaley did accomplish her aim -- over the course of the
30 days she lost 10 pounds. In addition, her levels of blood
lipids (fats) improved in some areas ..."

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Roger Zoul said:

One can pick decently healthy foods of the mcdonalds menu - assuming one
had the intellect of a gnat, that is.

what I meant by my statement was that, Hey, this food is equally as
unhealthy as the bag of chips I bought, and McD's which happens to be
popular is just an *example* of how unhealthy our culture is. I am not
saying that people who eat at mcD's have the intellect of a gnat, although
I am sure people are going to try their best, and even succeed, at making
it appear that I was saying that. 🙂

Also, I looked at the ingredients list on the link that someone provided in
this thread. The only foods that are 100% clean are the 100% beef patty
(which even then is not the best quality), and the salads. Everything else
seems to be peppered and laced with all kinds of additives.

Quoted message said:

Perhaps that's because you were lacking in the intellect department, or
you were just ignorant.

Hey, why the hostility? You seem to be taking that "intellect of a gnat"
remark personally, and it was not meant to be so. Perhaps back then I
*was* lacking in the intellect department... but that's not even the point.
The point is, that clever junk food marketers, from McD's all the way to
common grocery store doritos have the capability of producing crappy foods
that for whatever reason seem to be impossible to place a limit on.
Doritos taste like [censored] (imo), YET, when I have a bowlful in my lap, I feel
I absolutely must eat the whole thing, and put yet one more in my mouth.

Quoted message said:

Home cooked meal don't have to be delicious and they can too be full of
[censored]. In fact, I'd venture to say that plenty are...

You are absolutely correct.

Roger Zoul said:

Obviously, you don't live in the states. You can buy basically the same
junk food at the supermarket that you can get a McDs. What breaded
chicken
nuggets, they've got them. What a cheap pie, they've got that. What any
number of highly processed foods, they've got them by the tons. Every
type in umpteen variations.

Ok, Roger THAT is what I meant in my previous post about "It doesn't take
much intellect to make the connection to other sources of foods as to what
is junk food". That is ALL. The only difference is, you said it better
than I did.

I 100% apologize for using the phrase "It doesn't take even the intellect of
a gnat..." as the conjunction. I was not insulting anybody. All I was
saying is, "Once someone recognizes WHICH foods are [censored] and junk at McD's
then recognizing them in a grocery store is a logical progression".

I did not mean it the way it sounded. I apologize if it sounded like I was
attacking you, your intellect, or anything. Sincerely.

Quoted message said:

||
||
|||
||| What makes you think McDonalds has any special niche in that area
||| other than name recognition?
||
|| The fact that McDonalds is one of the largest of the junk food
|| chains.
|| It uses advertising aimed at children, it sells [censored] that it tries to
|| pretend is healthy. Things like that.

So? Who doesn't use ads aim at children? How is McD unique in that
regard?
Everybody seells [censored]. And ONe can make decent choices there that are
part
of a healthy eat plan. If you don't see that, you're simply not being
fair, which is obviously why you're buying into this film and the author's
selfish goals.

||
||
|||
|||
|||||
||||| I can
|||||| easily eat 5000 cals a day just a home, buying junk food from the
|||||| store and making my own meals. I can mix up all the fat and
|||||| sugar
|||||| and low-nutrient foods I want. I can ruin my health all by
|||||| myself
|||||| and I certainly don't need a McDonalds to do it.
|||||
||||| No, but you aren't spending millions of dollars every week trying
||||| to convince other people to come home with you and eat your high
||||| fat,
||||| high sugar, low-nutrient junk food, whereas McDonalds is.
|||
||| Go to your local supermarket and look at all the zillions of
||| products that are high-fat, high-sugar low-nutrient junk food, and
||| look at what the manufactures are spending on advertising for them.
||
|| Nowhere near the McDonalds' advertising budget. In the course of a
|| week,
|| I might see a dozen or so of the thousands of supermarket food lines
|| advertised, McDonalds ads are insidious, they are everywhere, every
|| day.

Excuse me. If you add up all of the advertising that goes on the push the
junk food in your local supermarket, it would easily make McDs look sad.

I never see an McD ad except when I pass by a store and see the sign with
a special in front.

||
|||
|||||
||||| Look at the McLibel suit a few years ago when McDonalds sued a
||||| British couple for claiming that McDonalds food was unhealthy.
|||
||| Coke is unhealthy?
||
|| Yes.

Prove it.

||
|| Ice cream is unhealthy?
||
|| Yes.

Prove it.

||
|| [censored], my local supermarket
||| pushes more unhealthy food than McDonalds does.
||
|| Pushes it?

Hell yes they push it. You don't get circulars with your local newspaper?
You've never heard of placement on the shelves of products at eye level?
Do you something think that supermarket chains are in the business of
making
money? Have you every heard of Wal-mart? Please!

||
|||
||| I can eat at McDonalds and many other fast food joints and stuff
||| make decent choices.
|||
||
|| How? They don't *HAVE* any decent choices.

[censored].

High saturated and trans
|| fat levels, high salt, preservatives, bulk carbs, sugar packed
|| sodas, what
|| is a decent choice? A preservative laden salad?

What preservative laden salads? Tell me how you plan to avoid eating this
kind of stuff in any food establishment? Heck, let's discuss how hard it
is
to avoid this stuff if you purchase food at your local supermarket? Only
those who read all the labels and make an decided effort will have a
chance,
and even then it won't be easy. But you, for some unknown reason, expect
McD, and none others, to be able to rise above.

||
||
||| That
||||| attitude makes McDonalds *the* ideal focus for this type of
||||| documentary. They have little regard for children's health, or for
||||| anything other than profits.
|||
||| Do I even need to respond? They are a corporation and provides
||| goods and services to their customers. If childrens' health is an
||| issue, where in the hell are their parents?
||
|| Hey! Now you are getting it.
||
|| The parents, after seeing something like "SuperSize Me" might
|| possibly realise that McDonalds is *not* the place to take their
|| kids and start
|| them on a lifetime of poor nutrition.

I'm willing to bet money they won't because most parent will see through
the
ruse of the film, unlike you. Heck, this film has been out for a while
now, why don't you comment on how McD sales have dropped off to nil?

||
|||
||| Geez....let's blame everyone else for our problems, but take no
||| resposibility for them ourselves. Yeah.
||
|| Unfortunately there are many people who simply don't realise that
|| junk
|| food is so unhealthy.

Most people realize that junk food is unhealthy. Even teenage girls know
it. Just ask one.

Cigarettes have to have warnings on the
|| packets,
|| they have (in Aus) banned all public advertising and association with
|| sports because they are unhealthy, so why not do something similar
|| for unhealthy junk food that is promoted to kids(and many not so
|| bright
|| adults) as being nutritious? At least make people aware that it is
|| unhealthy.

If you had a clue, you'd realize how difficult to impossible it is to
prove
that eating one serving of any food is unhealthy. In fact, I'd say that
it
just ain't so. No one can force someone to make the effort to maintain a
healthy diet & lifestyle over the long term, and that's the issue. Making
McD look bad is not the solution and the fact is it won't work. What is
needed is mush more education of the public about nutrition. And then you
need to motivate them for a healthy lifestyle, which also ain't gonna
happen. If it were important to people to maintain a healthy lifestyle,
McD and other fast food joints, and the contents of your local
supermarket,
would be vastly different. What we get sold in all of these places are
truly a reflection of us as a whole. If we demand, with are buying
dollars, items that promote a heatlhy lifestyle, and not the others, then
it would be
offered virtually over night. Just look at how quickly the food industry
jumped on the LC bandwagon. But yet, even that's starting to fade because
of ignorance and the sheer eagerness to make a buck.

||
|||
||| Any steps they have taken toward
||||| realistic disclosure of the true nutritional values of their food
||||| have been slow, grudging, reluctant, and seem only to be made just
||||| in time to avoid placing themselves in legal jeopardy. Tell me
||||| that
||||| they don't know about trans fats? Why do they continue to use
||||| them?
|||
||| Do I even need to respond? The transfats issue is virtually in all
||| segments of the food industry in this country.
||
|| So don't support a company that uses it in almost every product they
|| sell.

Please. You'd be not supporting a lot of companies because transfats are
in
almost every processed food available. Why single out McD?

||
||
||||| Because they make more profit. I don't know about McDonalds over
||||| there nowadays, but here they also have had major problems and
||||| very
||||| bad publicity regarding the hiring and firing of junior staff,
||||| with underpaying and poor treatment being commonplace. They seem
||||| to have little regard for anyone, certainly not those who work
||||| for them.
|||
||| This is corporate reality. Even heard of Wal-mart? Do you think
||| this is even the main message of this film?
||
|| Cigarette and alcohol manufacturers are also corporate realities.
|| They
|| have been made to abide by rigid restrictions regarding advertising
|| and
|| sales to minors, why not include an industry that is doing more harm
|| than both of them?

First of all, there is no need to smoke or drink alcohol. Those are
things people do for pleasure.
Second, eating a serving of McNugguts is not unhealthy. You can't prove
it. Perhaps a sustained diet of foods with transfats is unhealthy, but no
one is forcing anybody to consume McNugguts at every meal or to even eat
at FFJ at every meal. And even if you ate at serveral places you can still
be
consuming large amounts of transfats, sat fats, and high carb levels. So,
singling out the convenients foods industry doesn't solve any problems,
because the PROBLEMS GO MUCH DEEPER THAN THAT.

||
||
|||||
|||||
|||||
||||||
|||||| OTOH, I can make a decision to eat well to maintain/improve my
|||||| health. And I can choose to include several items from McDonalds
|||||| and other fast food joints in that plan.
|||||
||||| The target audience isn't those people who can make informed
||||| decisions regarding fast food, it those people who eat fast food
||||| everyday without realising just how dangerous it is to their
||||| health.
|||
||| It's not just fast food. It's not just McDonalds. It's your local
||| supermarket too. Sam's Club, Costco, etc.
||| Ever look at the foods people put in their shopping baskets?
||
|| Yes. When shopping they have choices, nutrition labels, competing
|| brands. Everything you buy in McDonalds is unhealthy.

You're simply ignorant.

||
||
|||||
||||||
|||||| I won't be watching that film.

Ignoramus4980 said:

No, my son eats plenty of carbs at home, carbs, as such, are not the
issue. Hot cereals, fruits, and such. And he did not drink
Coke at McD. Something else was responsible.

It's sometimes the additives (speaking for myself) that can do it. There's
no other way in my opinion, to explain why on earth I want yet more and
more and more of something that I really dislike the taste of. And I mean
ragingly crave it!

Yet, a dinner of poached salmon filet, spinach, a splash of olive oil, and
simple herbs and seasonings, TASTES better to me.

And yes, this is acknowledging the simple fact that one can, in their own
kitchen concoct something just as evil and unhealthy.