Cubit wrote:
|| In the DVD bonus features the writer of Fast Food Nation explains the
|| extraordinary use of exotic ingredients in fast food. He explained
|| that just a single flavoring agent has 40 ingredients. He suggested
|| that the ingredients cannot be on a hamburger wrapper because the it
|| would require pages of wrapper to hold the ingredients list.
|| Saying that supermarket food ingredients are just the same as fast
|| food is not consistent with the movie.
Consistent with the movie? So now you're taking the movie as some sort of
credible source of information about nutrition?
I guess someone didn't
|| bother watching the movie.....
||
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|| "Crafting Mom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| news:[email hidden]...
||| Roger Zoul wrote:
|||
|||| Obviously, you don't live in the states. You can buy basically
|||| the same junk food at the supermarket that you can get a McDs.
|||| What breaded chicken
|||| nuggets, they've got them. What a cheap pie, they've got that.
|||| What any number of highly processed foods, they've got them by the
|||| tons. Every type in umpteen variations.
|||
||| Ok, Roger THAT is what I meant in my previous post about "It
||| doesn't take much intellect to make the connection to other sources
||| of foods as to what is junk food". That is ALL. The only
||| difference is, you said it better than I did.
|||
||| I 100% apologize for using the phrase "It doesn't take even the
||| intellect of a gnat..." as the conjunction. I was not insulting
||| anybody. All I was saying is, "Once someone recognizes WHICH foods
||| are [censored] and junk at McD's then recognizing them in a grocery store
||| is a logical progression".
|||
||| I did not mean it the way it sounded. I apologize if it sounded
||| like I was attacking you, your intellect, or anything. Sincerely.
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||||||| What makes you think McDonalds has any special niche in that
||||||| area other than name recognition?
||||||
|||||| The fact that McDonalds is one of the largest of the junk food
|||||| chains.
|||||| It uses advertising aimed at children, it sells [censored] that it
|||||| tries to pretend is healthy. Things like that.
||||
|||| So? Who doesn't use ads aim at children? How is McD unique in
|||| that regard?
|||| Everybody seells [censored]. And ONe can make decent choices there that
|||| are part
|||| of a healthy eat plan. If you don't see that, you're simply not
|||| being fair, which is obviously why you're buying into this film
|||| and the author's selfish goals.
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||||||||| I can
|||||||||| easily eat 5000 cals a day just a home, buying junk food
|||||||||| from the store and making my own meals. I can mix up all
|||||||||| the fat and sugar
|||||||||| and low-nutrient foods I want. I can ruin my health all by
|||||||||| myself
|||||||||| and I certainly don't need a McDonalds to do it.
|||||||||
||||||||| No, but you aren't spending millions of dollars every week
||||||||| trying to convince other people to come home with you and eat
||||||||| your high fat,
||||||||| high sugar, low-nutrient junk food, whereas McDonalds is.
|||||||
||||||| Go to your local supermarket and look at all the zillions of
||||||| products that are high-fat, high-sugar low-nutrient junk food,
||||||| and look at what the manufactures are spending on advertising
||||||| for them.
||||||
|||||| Nowhere near the McDonalds' advertising budget. In the course of
|||||| a week,
|||||| I might see a dozen or so of the thousands of supermarket food
|||||| lines advertised, McDonalds ads are insidious, they are
|||||| everywhere, every day.
||||
|||| Excuse me. If you add up all of the advertising that goes on the
|||| push the junk food in your local supermarket, it would easily make
|||| McDs look sad.
||||
|||| I never see an McD ad except when I pass by a store and see the
|||| sign with a special in front.
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||||||||| Look at the McLibel suit a few years ago when McDonalds sued a
||||||||| British couple for claiming that McDonalds food was unhealthy.
|||||||
||||||| Coke is unhealthy?
||||||
|||||| Yes.
||||
|||| Prove it.
||||
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|||||| Ice cream is unhealthy?
||||||
|||||| Yes.
||||
|||| Prove it.
||||
||||||
|||||| [censored], my local supermarket
||||||| pushes more unhealthy food than McDonalds does.
||||||
|||||| Pushes it?
||||
|||| Hell yes they push it. You don't get circulars with your local
|||| newspaper? You've never heard of placement on the shelves of
|||| products at eye level? Do you something think that supermarket
|||| chains are in the business of making
|||| money? Have you every heard of Wal-mart? Please!
||||
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||||||| I can eat at McDonalds and many other fast food joints and stuff
||||||| make decent choices.
|||||||
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|||||| How? They don't *HAVE* any decent choices.
||||
|||| [censored].
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|||| High saturated and trans
|||||| fat levels, high salt, preservatives, bulk carbs, sugar packed
|||||| sodas, what
|||||| is a decent choice? A preservative laden salad?
||||
|||| What preservative laden salads? Tell me how you plan to avoid
|||| eating this kind of stuff in any food establishment? Heck, let's
|||| discuss how hard it is
|||| to avoid this stuff if you purchase food at your local
|||| supermarket? Only those who read all the labels and make an
|||| decided effort will have a chance,
|||| and even then it won't be easy. But you, for some unknown reason,
|||| expect McD, and none others, to be able to rise above.
||||
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||||||| That
||||||||| attitude makes McDonalds *the* ideal focus for this type of
||||||||| documentary. They have little regard for children's health,
||||||||| or for anything other than profits.
|||||||
||||||| Do I even need to respond? They are a corporation and provides
||||||| goods and services to their customers. If childrens' health is
||||||| an issue, where in the hell are their parents?
||||||
|||||| Hey! Now you are getting it.
||||||
|||||| The parents, after seeing something like "SuperSize Me" might
|||||| possibly realise that McDonalds is *not* the place to take their
|||||| kids and start
|||||| them on a lifetime of poor nutrition.
||||
|||| I'm willing to bet money they won't because most parent will see
|||| through the
|||| ruse of the film, unlike you. Heck, this film has been out for a
|||| while now, why don't you comment on how McD sales have dropped off
|||| to nil?
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||||||| Geez....let's blame everyone else for our problems, but take no
||||||| resposibility for them ourselves. Yeah.
||||||
|||||| Unfortunately there are many people who simply don't realise that
|||||| junk
|||||| food is so unhealthy.
||||
|||| Most people realize that junk food is unhealthy. Even teenage
|||| girls know it. Just ask one.
||||
||||
|||| Cigarettes have to have warnings on the
|||||| packets,
|||||| they have (in Aus) banned all public advertising and association
|||||| with sports because they are unhealthy, so why not do something
|||||| similar for unhealthy junk food that is promoted to kids(and
|||||| many not so bright
|||||| adults) as being nutritious? At least make people aware that it
|||||| is unhealthy.
||||
|||| If you had a clue, you'd realize how difficult to impossible it is
|||| to prove
|||| that eating one serving of any food is unhealthy. In fact, I'd
|||| say that it
|||| just ain't so. No one can force someone to make the effort to
|||| maintain a healthy diet & lifestyle over the long term, and that's
|||| the issue. Making McD look bad is not the solution and the fact is
|||| it won't work. What is needed is mush more education of the public
|||| about nutrition. And then you need to motivate them for a healthy
|||| lifestyle, which also ain't gonna happen. If it were important to
|||| people to maintain a healthy lifestyle, McD and other fast food
|||| joints, and the contents of your local supermarket,
|||| would be vastly different. What we get sold in all of these
|||| places are truly a reflection of us as a whole. If we demand,
|||| with are buying dollars, items that promote a heatlhy lifestyle,
|||| and not the others, then it would be
|||| offered virtually over night. Just look at how quickly the food
|||| industry jumped on the LC bandwagon. But yet, even that's
|||| starting to fade because of ignorance and the sheer eagerness to
|||| make a buck.
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||||||| Any steps they have taken toward
||||||||| realistic disclosure of the true nutritional values of their
||||||||| food have been slow, grudging, reluctant, and seem only to be
||||||||| made just in time to avoid placing themselves in legal
||||||||| jeopardy. Tell me that
||||||||| they don't know about trans fats? Why do they continue to use
||||||||| them?
|||||||
||||||| Do I even need to respond? The transfats issue is virtually in
||||||| all segments of the food industry in this country.
||||||
|||||| So don't support a company that uses it in almost every product
|||||| they sell.
||||
|||| Please. You'd be not supporting a lot of companies because
|||| transfats are in
|||| almost every processed food available. Why single out McD?
||||
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||||||||| Because they make more profit. I don't know about McDonalds
||||||||| over there nowadays, but here they also have had major
||||||||| problems and very
||||||||| bad publicity regarding the hiring and firing of junior staff,
||||||||| with underpaying and poor treatment being commonplace. They
||||||||| seem to have little regard for anyone, certainly not those
||||||||| who work for them.
|||||||
||||||| This is corporate reality. Even heard of Wal-mart? Do you
||||||| think this is even the main message of this film?
||||||
|||||| Cigarette and alcohol manufacturers are also corporate realities.
|||||| They
|||||| have been made to abide by rigid restrictions regarding
|||||| advertising and
|||||| sales to minors, why not include an industry that is doing more
|||||| harm than both of them?
||||
|||| First of all, there is no need to smoke or drink alcohol. Those
|||| are things people do for pleasure.
|||| Second, eating a serving of McNugguts is not unhealthy. You can't
|||| prove it. Perhaps a sustained diet of foods with transfats is
|||| unhealthy, but no one is forcing anybody to consume McNugguts at
|||| every meal or to even eat at FFJ at every meal. And even if you
|||| ate at serveral places you can still be
|||| consuming large amounts of transfats, sat fats, and high carb
|||| levels. So, singling out the convenients foods industry doesn't
|||| solve any problems, because the PROBLEMS GO MUCH DEEPER THAN THAT.
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|||||||||| OTOH, I can make a decision to eat well to maintain/improve
