Surly Conundrum

There is nothing comparable to the Endomorph for sand. (See my avatar.)
It makes sand dunes reasonably rideable on the flats and downhills,
and even possible on the uphills if they're a bit packed.

On roads, the tire is fine if you're going straight on a flat road. It
is absolutely awful dealing with road crown issues, and is generally
hard to turn. I would not want to ride it regularly in traffic.

I have not ridden one much as a MUni. I think it works, although with
some weight penalty.

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I have a 26" muni setup with a gb4 frame, a large marge rim, a 3.7"
endomorph, and a profile poznanter(sp?) hub with profile 175mm cranks.

I agree, it's hard to turn the endomorph on pavement because it grips
too well.
On any other terrain, it's the best uni I've used.
I get decent road performance from the Endomorph by using lots of tire
pressure. In the case where I won't be on the road at all, going down
to 15 psi or lower gives the best off-road handling. Higher pressure
also lets me ride over any curb I can find without hitting the rim.

I had a 3" Gazzaloddi tire on this unicycle for many months before the
Endomorph was commercially available. The gazz was easier to turn on
pavement, but nowhere close to as good as the Endomorph off the
pavement.

When I ordered my frame from George Barnes IV, he suggested a minimum
of 175mm cranks. 175mm was way too long with the 3" Gazz, and is
perfect with the Endomorph.

With the gb4 aluminum frame, my 26" endomorph unicycle (named Secret
Joy) is lighter than my KH24 2004 all-steel unicycle (named Python).
Secret Joy also handles my 95 kilos (210 lbs) better than Python.
My first 20" unicycle broke repeatedly because I weigh too much for
it.

Here are some 'photos of Secret Joy'
(http://www.scannedinavian.com/hope/image/tag/unicycle) if you'd like
to see the full package.

In the next few days I'll add magura hydraulic brakes, I think that
will improve my Muni experience.

In summary, I'll purchase a Conundrum frame for if/when my gb4 frame
breaks, but I wouldn't switch my Endomorph & Large Marge combo for
anything else.

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shapr said:

With the gb4 *aluminum frame*, my 26" endomorph unicycle (named Secret
Joy) is lighter than my KH24 2004 all-steel unicycle (named Python).

your GB4 frame is made of steel. put a magnet to it an see.

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forget_your_life said:

your GB4 frame is made of steel. put a magnet to it an see.

That's what I was thinkin'.

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AX,
get the surly!

shapr said:

I agree, it's hard to turn the endomorph on pavement because it grips
too well.
On any other terrain, it's the best uni I've used.

The endomorph works well in loose dirt? I've beeen wondering about
that, it doesn't seem to have that super knobby tread pattern like dh
tires have. So, the pure gurth of the tire must make big spikey knobs
unecessary.

On a side note: The large marge is the most amazing rim I have ever
used, it takes your muni riding to a new level. Not only does it feel
much more stable, the added volume gives the tire a great rebound and
just eats up the small bumps. I will never buy another rim for muni.

Surly Dave, if you're reading this, Thank You!!!

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I 2nd that get the surly, You kan run any dang tire you want then, I
call that a good Investment because things change.😉

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I finished QC'ing the Conundrum frames yesterday. They should be in
stock at QBP, our distributor, today. Call your local bike shop or uni
dealer, if you want one. We received 50 assorted frames (both sizes,
both colors) via airfreight, but 150 more are in transit on the slow
boat scheduled to arrive in a month or so.

Enjoy.

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will a koxx one hub fit in the conundrum frame and will the frames be
sold seperatly?

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also, are the frames aluminum?

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trials_uni said:

Where did you hear that Bedford unis are not strong? They are the best
thing since sliced bread!!

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I don't know if the Koxx hub will fit. Does anybody have hub
measurements...minimum width, bearing outside-to-bearing outside? With
provided shims, 40mm, 41.28mm, and 42mm OD bearings will fit in the
bearing clamps. Bearing size is not an issue, but bearing spacing may
be.

Yes. Frames are sold separately. The price is to be determined by the
shop you order it from.

Surly only produces steel frames. So...no, the frames are not
aluminum.

Check out this page on our website for
details...http://www.surlybikes.com/new.html[url]

onetrack, you are most welcome.


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SurlyDave said:

I don't know if the Koxx hub will fit. Does anybody have hub
measurements...minimum width, bearing outside-to-bearing outside? With
provided shims, 40mm, 41.28mm, and 42mm OD bearings will fit in the
bearing clamps. Bearing size is not an issue, but bearing spacing may
be.

Yes. Frames are sold separately. The price is to be determined by the
shop you order it from.

Surly only produces steel frames. So...no, the frames are not
aluminum.

Check out this page on our website for
details...http://www.surlybikes.com/new.html

onetrack, you are most welcome.

What is the bearing spacing on the frame, Dave? Have you been able to
check a variety of hubs with the frame?

As always, 'LiveWire Unicycles' (http://www.livewireunicycles.com) is
doing these wheels and unis; drop me a line!

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well, i think its still overkill. I rode one at Moab Muni Fest and
thought it was worse in just about every area other than sand.

It was so massive and heavy! I got back on my KH24 and it felt like
heaven compared to the Large Marge 3.7 uni.

Now i have made a KH 26 and it is gr8 at everything. Cant wait untill
Moab next year!

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I still want pictures of that🙂

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Where did you hear that Bedford unis are not strong? They are the best
thing since sliced bread!!

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mornish said:

I still want pictures of that🙂

oh *there coming*, i *think* tomarrow iam putting some up

😉

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Yay!!!!!

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Where did you hear that Bedford unis are not strong? They are the best
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U-Turn said:

What is the bearing spacing on the frame, Dave? Have you been able to
check a variety of hubs with the frame?

The bearing spacing is spec'd at 104.5mm from bearing outside to
bearing outside. Profile works, KH works, Suzue works. I chose the
spacing to accommodate tapered axle hubs with pressed on bearings.
Splined axle hubs have adjustable bearing spacing, so they tend to work
regardless of the bearing clamp spacing...as long as it's within their
range of adjustment. It's unfortunate there isn't an industry standard
for bearing spacing and diameter.

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U-Turn said:

What is the bearing spacing on the frame, Dave? Have you been able to
check a variety of hubs with the frame?

The bearing spacing is spec'd at 104.5mm from bearing outside to
bearing outside. Profile works, KH works, Suzue works. I chose the
spacing to accommodate tapered axle hubs with pressed on bearings.
Splined axle hubs have adjustable bearing spacing, so they tend to work
regardless of the bearing clamp spacing...as long as it's within their
range of adjustment. It's unfortunate there isn't an industry standard
for bearing spacing and diameter.

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musketman said:

Now i have made a KH 26 and it is gr8 at everything.

Is it gr8 in snow? Is it gr8 in sand? Is it gr8 in loose gravel? Is
it gr8 on rutted ice? Is it gr8 in soft loam?

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pdc said:

Mr. SurlyDave, any word of a 24" Endomorph Tire?

Nothing yet. Sorry. It's still on the project list, but I haven't had
the time to dedicate to it.

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