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  1. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1345526,00.html

    "Cycle paths scoop the lottery poll

    David Smith
    Sunday November 7, 2004
    The Observer

    They dominated the headlines, broke visitor records and were hailed as the
    great success stories of the National Lottery. Yet when it come to a popularity
    contest for the nation's favourite lottery beneficiary, Tate Modern and the
    Eden Project were pipped at the post - by the humble cyclist.
    At last night's first National Lottery Helping Hand Awards, held to celebrate
    the lottery's 10th birthday, the prize for the biggest impact on British life
    by a funded project went to the little-celebrated Sustrans, a Bristol-based
    charity which pioneered the National Cycle Network. In a public phone poll it
    finished well clear of both the Eden Project, showcasing flora and fauna in
    'biomes' in Cornwall, and London's much-visited Tate Modern gallery, the scene
    of the awards ceremony.

    Celebrity cyclists such as Boris Johnson, Jeremy Paxman and Jon Snow are among
    those likely to toast Sustrans for co-ordinating the creation of 8,200 miles of
    network so far, with a target of 10,000 miles by the end of next year. Sustrans
    calculated 126 million trips were made on the network in 2003, nearly a third
    of them replacing a car journey. The initiative was made possible by a lottery
    award of £43.5 million from the Millennium Commission.

    Gill Harrison, of Sustrans, said: 'It's great to win, it's a huge boost and
    gives us prestige. It is further evidence that we are having an impact on
    people's lives. It will help us carry on because there's a lot more to do.
    We've just had a £10m grant from the Department for Transport to develop links
    to schools.'

    She admitted Sustrans had been the 'underdog' nominee against Tate Modern and
    the Eden Project. But she added: 'Of the three we're the only one who can claim
    to be truly national. People go to the Tate and go the Eden Project but we are
    the only one that goes to the people. About half the population lives within
    two miles of the cycle network. It benefits not only cyclists but people
    pushing buggies, people walking dogs, horse riders and others.'

    In the 'national hero' category Simon Weston, the Falklands War veteran and
    founder of the charity Weston Spirit, and Kelly Holmes, this year's double
    Olympic gold medalist, were outpolled by Laurie Symes, representing 100,000
    surviving veterans of the Second World War. This year £5.3m of lottery funding
    was awarded to more than 7,400 veterans so they could return to wartime
    battlefields, including 60th anniversary commemorations of D-Day and Arnhem.
    Symes is a veteran of both battles.

    Around 150 lottery-funded projects across Britain opened for free or staged
    special events yesterday. Tessa Jowell, the Culture Secretary, attending
    celebrations at Tate Modern along with the Olympic rowing champion, Matthew
    Pinsent, hit back at charities which have accused the government of siphoning
    off more than half of lottery money raised for good causes for its own pet
    projects. She dismissed criticism from the National Trust, which said it was
    increasingly anxious about being sidelined, as 'complete and utter nonsense'
    and cited £3 billion of investment in heritage projects.

    Jowell told The Observer : 'There will always be a debate on which side of the
    line funding for anything in the health, education, environment areas falls.
    Criticism may be made of the fact that lottery money has been used to fund
    cancer equipment, but if you look at the number of fundraising appeals that are
    run by the friends of hospitals and voluntary organisations to raise money to
    buy state-of-the-art cancer equipment, you will see this is by no means an area
    of investment that has always and exclusively been the responsibility of
    government.' "

    Cheers, helen s

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  2. dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers vaguely muttered something like ...

    Quoted message said:

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1345526,00.html

    "Cycle paths scoop the lottery poll

    Nice one .. 😉

    I really like the Sustrans idea, they may get some particulars wrong, and
    might have routes that don't go anywhere much, but on the whole, and as the
    only scheme of it's kind, I think it's great.

    Quoted message said:

    by the humble cyclist.

    hmmmm ...

    --
    Paul ...
    (8(|) Homer Rules !!!
    "A [censored] is a [censored], no matter what mode of transport they're using."

  3. Quoted message said:

    I really like the Sustrans idea, they may get some particulars wrong, and
    might have routes that don't go anywhere much, but on the whole, and as the
    only scheme of it's kind, I think it's great.

    I don't - for the simple reason it encourages the idea that cyclists should not
    be on the road, and too many of their "farcilities" are just that - a farce.
    Cycle paths that are quagmires in the wet, that have bollards in the middle of
    them, that are simply and existing footpath with a bit of white paint on
    them...

    See

    http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of
    -the-month/May2004.htm
    http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of
    -the-month/February2003.htm
    http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/cycling/norfarce.html

    For just a few examples of farcilities that are Sustrans abortions...

    Vernon has done the Marriotts Way out of Norwich, which is yet another Sustrans
    abortion, so bad that in wet weather it is passable only by MTB or not passable
    at all - it is literally a quagmire in too many places. He came back very wet,
    very muddy and very, very dirty. It was part of an Audax - advertised as an
    off-road one.

    Sustrans produces lovely maps, but that's the only thing I like about it.

    Cheers, helen s

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  4. On 07 Nov 2004 07:16:11 GMT, [email hidden]

    (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) said:

    Celebrity cyclists such as Boris Johnson, Jeremy Paxman and Jon Snow are among

    Jeremy Paxman? I've been educated yet again - I used to assume he
    belonged to the same category as Cl*rks*n.

    --
    If, as Einstein said, space is curved and occupies ten
    dimensions including time; How can you be certain which
    is the underneath of a ladder? And how can you be certain
    you haven't already walked under one next week?
    Extract teeth to reply

  5. In news:[email hidden],

    dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:
    Quoted message said:

    I really like the Sustrans idea, they may get some particulars
    wrong, and might have routes that don't go anywhere much, but on the
    whole, and as the only scheme of it's kind, I think it's great.

    I don't - for the simple reason it encourages the idea that cyclists
    should not be on the road, and too many of their "farcilities" are
    just that - a farce. Cycle paths that are quagmires in the wet, that
    have bollards in the middle of them, that are simply and existing
    footpath with a bit of white paint on them...

    See


    *Some ludicrously stupid cycle paths snipped*

    I really enjoyed that site, thanks, and have added it to my "favourites". I
    will be on the lookout for similar obstructions, and hope to be able to send
    a photo or two myself. However, my nearest route is pretty good (Cloud
    Trail, from Worthington through Derby). Since it opened, a lot of
    restrictive gates have been removed, and a lot of the original hard pack
    quagmire-generating surface has been replaced by nice smooth tarmac. Some
    pre-existing hazards have been removed, such as metal housings for
    removeable bollards which used to be in the centre of the path in places. A
    team of mechanicals roams the path, cutting back trees, preventing the
    encroachment of verge, and generally looking after the place, and they sweep
    up thoroughly after themselves. They don't seem to resent cyclists
    interrupting their work, and will warn you if there are thorns about that
    they haven't swept yet.
    There are traffic lights that change without having to press a button, and
    all in all it's pretty good. The occasional well placed bollard appears, and
    there is a pair of those tank-trap things where it crosses another cycle
    route, but you can ride pretty much unhindered for 15 miles or so.
    I find it a bit boring, to be honest, but it's the quickest way I have of
    getting from my house, through Derby, and into the foothills of the Peak in
    time for elevenses.
    If our trail is anything to go by, Sustrans keep improving and upgrading as
    time goes by. I hope that's the case everywhere.
    I regard it as an extra facility, not a substitute for roads. I use cycle
    paths when it suits me to do so, and I use the road when I prefer that, such
    as at roundabouts, or where the cycle path is on a pavement crossed by side
    roads and dipping driveways, as the road improves my right of way.
    --

    Martin Bulmer

  6. dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1345526,00.html

    "Cycle paths scoop the lottery poll

    What a waste of money. I have no time for Sustrans - their paths have
    nothing to do with transport, and everything to do with loading the MTBs
    on the back of the car to drive to a nice gentle gravel trail (how much
    long distance motor traffic do you think cyclists riding the Camel Trail
    and the C2C generate?). They also reinforce the belief that cyclists
    shouldn't be on the public roads.

  7. On 07 Nov 2004 07:16:11 GMT, [email hidden]

    (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) said:

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1345526,00.html

    "Cycle paths scoop the lottery poll

    It is impossible to overstate the harm that Sustrans does to utility
    cycling with their agenda for segregation.

    Sustrans has nothing to do with SUStainable TRANSport and everything
    to do with encouraging grockles to put their MTBs on the back of their
    SUVs and drive into rural areas for a leisure ride.

    Al

  8. "dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    See


    http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/cycling/norfarce.html

    Quoted message said:

    For some reason every time I see those photos I feel a strong desire to take
    a great big hammer to that bollard! It's just so stupidly provocative. I
    guess a few blows with a 10 or 15 lb sledge hammer should do it. At least
    it would help take some frustration out! I dunno, animal activists seem to
    have no problems with direct action - maybe cyclists should do it too when
    faced with farcilities like that!

    Rich

  9. dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:
    Quoted message said:

    I really like the Sustrans idea, they may get some particulars wrong, and
    might have routes that don't go anywhere much, but on the whole, and as the
    only scheme of it's kind, I think it's great.

    I don't - for the simple reason it encourages the idea that cyclists should not
    be on the road, and too many of their "farcilities" are just that - a farce.
    Cycle paths that are quagmires in the wet, that have bollards in the middle of
    them, that are simply and existing footpath with a bit of white paint on
    them...

    I think Sustrans do as good a job as they can, doing with handouts from
    the lottery what the Government ought to be doing with our transport
    ££'s as part of a coherent, integrated transport system.

    Instead, the Government panders to the Clarkson Brigade, and our
    transport infrastructure remains a joke.

    It shouldn't be up to Sustrans to provide this stuff, but they do - and
    in the face of Government indifference, we should rejoice that at least
    someone does. Sure, some of their routes are unsuitable for roadies (I
    struggle sometimes on the Marriott Way, and on NCN 13 past the Stanford
    battle area, south of Watton - even with 40mm tyres) but in general I'm
    a fan.

    --
    Chris

  10. Al C-F said:

    On 07 Nov 2004 07:16:11 GMT, [email hidden]

    (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) said:

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1345526,00.html

    "Cycle paths scoop the lottery poll

    It is impossible to overstate the harm that Sustrans does to utility
    cycling with their agenda for segregation.

    Sustrans has nothing to do with SUStainable TRANSport and everything
    to do with encouraging grockles to put their MTBs on the back of their
    SUVs and drive into rural areas for a leisure ride.

    Al

    But you'll die of old age waiting for the Government to do anything
    about it - at least Sustrans are trying - even if, in your eyes, they
    are failing.

    If you think they are doing it wrong, don't whinge at them - get
    involved and be instrumental in changing their outlook on things.

    --
    Chris (not affiliated to Sustrans in any way, btw)

  11. Zog The Undeniable said:
    dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1345526,00.html

    "Cycle paths scoop the lottery poll

    What a waste of money. I have no time for Sustrans - their paths have
    nothing to do with transport, and everything to do with loading the MTBs
    on the back of the car to drive to a nice gentle gravel trail (how much
    long distance motor traffic do you think cyclists riding the Camel Trail
    and the C2C generate?). They also reinforce the belief that cyclists
    shouldn't be on the public roads.

    It was money spent more wisely than on the Millenium Dome, but possibly
    less wisely than the Eden Project - of which I am a fully paid-up
    complete and utter fan.

    --
    Chris

  12. Zog The Undeniable said:

    I have no time for Sustrans - their paths have
    nothing to do with transport,

    I'm afraid that assertion appears somewhat ludicrous to me, living as I
    do within a few hundred yards of the Bath-Bristol cyclepath. It is by
    far the quickest, most pleasant and most convenient way for me to travel
    to work or into Bath. For me, it is a much more useful transport
    facility than the A4.

    I am not a Sustrans supporter. It's quite impossible to support them
    when I read stories about tarmacced surfaces being coated with gravel,
    or priority being given to quantity rather than quality of routes. But
    it's quite wrong to suggest that their routes are useless for transport.

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
    <URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  13. Danny Colyer said:
    Zog The Undeniable said:

    I have no time for Sustrans - their paths have nothing to do with
    transport,

    I'm afraid that assertion appears somewhat ludicrous to me, living as I
    do within a few hundred yards of the Bath-Bristol cyclepath.

    I have no time for sustrans - their paths have nothing to do with
    transport, except for the anomalous Bath-Bristol cyclepath. Sadly, they
    don't seem to realise that it is anomalous, or else they might have made
    more effort to understand why and to emulate its success elsewhere.

    Better now :-?

    James
    --
    If I have seen further than others, it is
    by treading on the toes of giants.
    http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/

  14. James Annan said:

    I have no time for sustrans - their paths have nothing to do with
    transport, except for the anomalous Bath-Bristol cyclepath. Sadly, they
    don't seem to realise that it is anomalous, or else they might have made
    more effort to understand why and to emulate its success elsewhere.

    Better now :-?

    OK :-)

    I get the impression that Cyclebag had the right idea, but they lost
    their way some time after becoming Sustrans.

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
    <URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    James Annan said:

    I have no time for sustrans - their paths have nothing to do with
    transport,

    But the Lottery is not supposed to be associated with _practical_ or
    _useful_ projects, so that fits.

    Quoted message said:

    except for the anomalous Bath-Bristol cyclepath. Sadly, they
    don't seem to realise that it is anomalous, or else they might have made
    more effort to understand why and to emulate its success elsewhere.

    Indeedie.

    --
    Nick Kew

  16. Richard Goodman said:

    "dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    See

    http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/cycling/norfarce.html

    For some reason every time I see those photos I feel a strong desire to take
    a great big hammer to that bollard! It's just so stupidly provocative. I
    guess a few blows with a 10 or 15 lb sledge hammer should do it. At least
    it would help take some frustration out! I dunno, animal activists seem to
    have no problems with direct action - maybe cyclists should do it too when
    faced with farcilities like that!

    There's an even better on for you to vent you energy on on the Sustrans
    route leaving Kings Lynn northwards. You cross a road, do a sharp left
    onto a narrow pavement which swings a sharp blind right into a narrow
    path between houses. As you swing the blind right, there right in front
    of you is the bollard!

    Right about here
    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=564015&Y=322450&A=Y&Z=3
    if anyone wants to take the photo.

    Tony

  17. "James Annan" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm afraid that assertion appears somewhat ludicrous to me, living as I
    do within a few hundred yards of the Bath-Bristol cyclepath.

    Quoted message said:

    I have no time for sustrans - their paths have nothing to do with
    transport, except for the anomalous Bath-Bristol cyclepath. Sadly, they
    don't seem to realise that it is anomalous, or else they might have made
    more effort to understand why and to emulate its success elsewhere.

    Sticking in Bristol where I live, I use the Bristol-Bath railway path to get
    to work, large sections of the offroad route between here and Chepstow every
    time I visit my parents and will be very glad to be able to use the
    Winscombe to Congresbury bit of disused railway to get to my girlfriend's
    when they upgrade it for bikes (along with an interesting looking bit
    planned around Long Ashton I noticed on their website). For someone without
    a car they've got everything to do with transport for my particular
    journeys.

  18. dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1345526,00.html

    Hurrah, I am glad, especially since this was voted for by the general
    public. I know that some cyclists don't think the NCN is a good idea but
    apparantly not enough to make the Tate Modern or The Eden Project the winner
    of the award.

    If the NCN gets some people cycling who are not confident to use the busy,
    badly maintained roads and helps them to stave off a heart attack later in
    life then IMHO this is a good thing. This is my last word on the matter as I
    had all the arguments when the poll was announced.

  19. On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:20:51 +0000, Succorso <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Al C-F wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    It is impossible to overstate the harm that Sustrans does to utility
    cycling with their agenda for segregation.

    Sustrans has nothing to do with SUStainable TRANSport and everything
    to do with encouraging grockles to put their MTBs on the back of their
    SUVs and drive into rural areas for a leisure ride.

    Al

    But you'll die of old age waiting for the Government to do anything
    about it - at least Sustrans are trying - even if, in your eyes, they
    are failing.

    It's not that they are failing, it's that they are doing the wrong
    job. They are expending great effort in making my daily use of the
    road system worse by reinforcing the view that cyclists do not belong
    on the roads.

    Overall, life would be easier if they'd just go to hell.

    Quoted message said:


    If you think they are doing it wrong, don't whinge at them - get
    involved and be instrumental in changing their outlook on things.

    I doubt that I'd have any more success with that than I'd have
    converting a plastic hat nazi. I have a great deal more success
    attacking my local authority, directly or through court action, and
    getting things changed.

  20. On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:24:34 +0000, Succorso <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Zog The Undeniable said:
    dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1345526,00.html

    "Cycle paths scoop the lottery poll

    What a waste of money. I have no time for Sustrans - their paths have
    nothing to do with transport, and everything to do with loading the MTBs
    on the back of the car to drive to a nice gentle gravel trail (how much
    long distance motor traffic do you think cyclists riding the Camel Trail
    and the C2C generate?). They also reinforce the belief that cyclists
    shouldn't be on the public roads.

    It was money spent more wisely than on the Millenium Dome, but possibly
    less wisely than the Eden Project - of which I am a fully paid-up
    complete and utter fan.

    The money spent on the dome doesn't encourage the drivers who share my
    road to believe that they have a greater right to be there.

    Actually, the money spent on the dome demonstrates the depths of
    incompetence to which our once great nation has sunk. It is a beacon
    of truth in a sea of spin. Brilliant.

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