Svrn Nijs uses an altitude tent?

[jerry in vermont]

from cyclingnews.com.

WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour
it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford. And
this is racing in the lowlands, so its doubley unfair

Seriously, though, that is pathetic.

Nys explained his glamorous performance after the race: "Yesterday (in
Dottignies) I was already very good. When I came to Ruddervoorde I knew
I would be good as well. I've been sleeping in my special room which
simulates a high altitude. I'm competing near my maximum now and
apparently my race speed is just too high for the other riders ...
I'm eager for some races with mud as they should fit me even more!"

 

[RonSonic]

On 16 Oct 2006 11:25:53 -0700, "jerry in vermont" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>from cyclingnews.com.
>
>WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour
>it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford. And
>this is racing in the lowlands, so its doubley unfair
>
>Seriously, though, that is pathetic.
>
>Nys explained his glamorous performance after the race: "Yesterday (in
>Dottignies) I was already very good. When I came to Ruddervoorde I knew
>I would be good as well. I've been sleeping in my special room which
>simulates a high altitude. I'm competing near my maximum now and
>apparently my race speed is just too high for the other riders ...
>I'm eager for some races with mud as they should fit me even more!"

Sure he could let up and still win. But how much can he ease off and keep
winning like he does? He doesn't know and he's afraid to find out.

Ron

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 16 Oct 2006 11:25:53 -0700, "jerry in vermont"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>from cyclingnews.com.
>
>WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour
>it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford. And
>this is racing in the lowlands, so its doubley unfair
>
>Seriously, though, that is pathetic.

It's not pathetic. It's the way it's done. I'd be dissapointed if a
top rider who had the means to use an altitude tent (or at least
altitude training) didn't do it. That's the point of top sport -- to
go all out to be the best.
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[Andre]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 16 Oct 2006 11:25:53 -0700, "jerry in vermont"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >from cyclingnews.com.
> >
> >WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour
> >it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford. And
> >this is racing in the lowlands, so its doubley unfair
> >
> >Seriously, though, that is pathetic.
>
> It's not pathetic. It's the way it's done. I'd be dissapointed if a
> top rider who had the means to use an altitude tent (or at least
> altitude training) didn't do it. That's the point of top sport -- to
> go all out to be the best.

Well said John. I have no idea what point Jerry in Vermont is trying to
make.

Andre

 

[Kurgan Gringioni]

jerry in vermont wrote:
> from cyclingnews.com.
>
> WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour
> it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford.


<snip>




Dumbass -


They're not that expensive. Most Masters Fatties could get one by
trading in a tricked out bike.

And, if one really wants to get frugal, you can make your own, for not
that much $$$$. Just do a little searching on the pumps they use to
separate oxygen from air. Pump the oxygen depleted air into the tent,
the oxygen back into the room. Monitor the oxygen level and use
non-airtight zippers on the tent to keep it safe. The tent
manufacturers don't really "manufacture" anything - they just take
someone else's parts and assemble them for a different application.

I forgot though. Most bike racers are too stupid to execute a high
school level science project. Nevermind.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

ps. It's spelled "Sven"

 

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On 16 Oct 2006 22:13:58 -0700, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> ps. It's spelled "Sven"

Ah, but is it Nijs or Nys? I honestly don't know.

--
E. Dronkert

 

[Kyle Legate]

Andre wrote:
>
> Well said John. I have no idea what point Jerry in Vermont is trying to
> make.
>
Jonathon Page can't afford an oxygen tent, and that's why he doesn't win.

 

[Donald Munro]

Andre wrote:
>> Well said John. I have no idea what point Jerry in Vermont is trying to
>> make.

Kyle Legate wrote:
> Jonathon Page can't afford an oxygen tent, and that's why he doesn't win.

He could go live at the top of Mt Washington. That is near Vermont isn't
it ?

 

[Kurgan Gringioni]

Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> On 16 Oct 2006 22:13:58 -0700, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> > ps. It's spelled "Sven"
>
> Ah, but is it Nijs or Nys? I honestly don't know.
>
> --
> E. Dronkert



Dumbass -


I don't know either, but cyclingnews.com (not that dumbass J. Jones
knows anything either) is going w/ Nys.

Back on topic: the search to go with is: molecular sieve. About 5 years
ago the pumps could be had for around $1000 and the other stuff might
add another $500. In cyclingnews' Superprestige #1 coverage, Nys (sp?)
talks about his altitude room. That's about as easy as a tent. Just
caulk up all the baseboard, use weatherstripping on the windows along
with the interior door. Pump air through the molecular sieve, pump the
oxygen out the room, the depleted air into the room. Monitor the oxygen
levels for safety - that's the hardest part is making the pump
automatically shut off if the levels get too low, but it's child's play
for an electrical engineer.

And yes, jerry in vermont is an idiot, but what do you expect? He
worships bike racers.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

 

[RicodJour]

jerry in vermont wrote:
> from cyclingnews.com.
>
> WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour
> it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford. And
> this is racing in the lowlands, so its doubley unfair
>
> Seriously, though, that is pathetic.

Why? A competitive personality doesn't stop trying to get better, and,
last time I checked, cycling hadn't gone socialist. On the Fairness
Aggregate Transgression Scale (FATS) this ranks about 0.

R

 

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On 17 Oct 2006 05:53:58 -0700, jerry in vermont wrote:
> 1. This is a sign of the start of organized doping in cross

Hah!

--
E. Dronkert

 

[Kurgan Gringioni]

jerry in vermont wrote:
>
> why? cause having an O2 tent means you have also got a doctor on staff
> to monitor you blood levels, and then of course you are getting your
> blood checked regularly, and on and on.


That's ********. Guys who live in Colorado don't have to go into the
clinic every week.


> But with cross only a couple can afford that level, so its going to
> widen the gap that the UCI is trying to close,


That is also ********. Buying a tent is about as expensive as buying a
nice, new, state of the art bike and as I've posted elsewhere in this
thread it only costs about $1500 to make your own.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

 

[Bob Schwartz]

jerry in vermont wrote:
> why? cause having an O2 tent means you have also got a doctor on staff
> to monitor you blood levels, and then of course you are getting your
> blood checked regularly, and on and on.

http://www.labessentials.com/centrifuge.htm#Portable Centrifuges

Bob Schwartz

 

[[email protected]]

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

>
> And yes, jerry in vermont is an idiot, but what do you expect? He
> worships bike racers.

dumbass,

what's surprising about this thread is that rbr wise guys like you and
JFT would bite on this lame troll.

 

[[email protected]]

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

> Pump air through the molecular sieve, pump the
> oxygen out the room, the depleted air into the room.

you could ust light a match to get the oxygen out of the room.

 

[[email protected]]

jerry in vermont wrote:

> cyclocross has not really been about the drugs, and seems to be lagging
> behind road in all this big money drug business, and has been more
> about specializing and hard work.

Right, just ask Mario De Clercq.


> I dont want to start THAT discussion, and for those who "dont know what
> point" I am trying to make, its that this is the start of the end. Its
> niave to say anyone at THAT level (ie UCI, tested, etc) can just run
> out and buy a tent, and so its cheap. The tent is part and parcel with
> the medical program. You cant just go letting your HCT run rampant can
> you. And once you have the tent, and the blood doctor, and the desire,
> its A SLIPPERY SLOPE of rationalization that leads from there.

People who know about altitude tents (like Shaun Wallace and
Coggan) have posted here before about the effects. They are not
that large. I don't know if they are even a couple of points of HCT.
When GBShaun sells an altitude tent, he doesn't sell you a
doctor too. Does every bike racer living in Boulder or doing
altitude camps in the mountains (Colorado, the Alps, wherever)
do regular HCT testing?

The top crossers might all have staff doctors and get their
HCT checked and be on programs, but the fact that Nijs
has a tent is not a sign of that increasing (or decreasing).

Ben

 

[jerry in vermont]

[email protected] wrote:
> jerry in vermont wrote:
>
> > cyclocross has not really been about the drugs, and seems to be lagging
> > behind road in all this big money drug business, and has been

___more___


> > about specializing and hard work.
>
> Right, just ask Mario De Clercq.
>

guess you also missed the part where I said i know it happens, didnt
say it doesnt/hasnt. thanks though.

What initially set me off is the Nijs Nys Nees whatever has repeatedly
spouted off about how him winning too much is bad for the sport, and
IIRC even made the connection from that to his income potential, etc.
Yet he goes to the trouble of dealing with altitude tents for a minimal
gain.

Whatever, I gotta go ride my bike.

 

[Ewoud Dronkert]

jerry in vermont wrote:
> Yet he goes to the trouble of dealing with altitude tents for a minimal
> gain.

He's aiming for Bejing (MTB) and trying to build experience with the
perfect preparation.

--
E. Dronkert

 

[Kurgan Gringioni]

jerry in vermont wrote:
>
>
> 1. I dont think doping is that "pervasive" in cross, or MTB for that
> matter, or domestic pro racing either, at this point.



Dumbass -


You've got your head up your ass.

Google Danny De Bie or Jerome Chiotti. The emotional "rewards" are the
same in 'cross and MTB as they are for road cycling and the same in
North America as they are in Europe. The decision to use drugs is
mostly an emotional decision.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

 

[Kurgan Gringioni]

jerry in vermont wrote:
>
> you guys are all over this doping apparatus ****. I think you have a
> skewed view of bike racers in general,




Dumbass -


No we don't. We know that bike racers are stupid.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.