Svrn Nijs uses an altitude tent?

[Simon Brooke]

in message <[email protected]>, jerry in
vermont ('[email protected]') wrote:

> 1. I dont think doping is that "pervasive" in cross, or MTB for that
> matter, or domestic pro racing either, at this point. I think it IS
> pervasive/widespread in euro based road racing.

Yes, it's all these nasty dishonest cheating Europeans doing the dirty on
good, clean living American wimps^W cyclists. Of course Americans don't
cheat. The US Olympic cycling team have never pioneered blood doping, and
the coach of that team never went on to found a cycling team. Even if he
had, none of the members or ex members of that team would ever be found to
have doped. Uniquely in the world, US cyclists are clean, honourable,
upstanding men who achieve greatness through purity of heart and
dedication to the cause, entirely unaided by medical science...

Oh, and irony is like pewtery, only harder.

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[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 17 Oct 2006 05:53:58 -0700, "jerry in vermont"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>RicodJour wrote:
>> jerry in vermont wrote:
>> > from cyclingnews.com.
>> >
>> > WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour
>> > it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford. And
>> > this is racing in the lowlands, so its doubley unfair
>> >
>> > Seriously, though, that is pathetic.
>>
>> Why? A competitive personality doesn't stop trying to get better, and,
>> last time I checked, cycling hadn't gone socialist. On the Fairness
>> Aggregate Transgression Scale (FATS) this ranks about 0.
>>
>> R
>
>why? cause having an O2 tent means you have also got a doctor on staff
>to monitor you blood levels, and then of course you are getting your
>blood checked regularly, and on and on.
>
>cyclocross has not really been about the drugs, and seems to be lagging
>behind road in all this big money drug business, and has been more
>about specializing and hard work.

What drugs? How is an altitude tent drugs? It's not drugs. it's a
place in which one sleeps.

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jerry in vermont wrote:

> having an O2 tent means you have also got a doctor on staff
> to monitor you blood levels

Only if you were born with a naturally-high hematocrit. Otherwise,
using an altitude tent won't push you over the UCI limit.

> , and then of course you are getting your
> blood checked regularly, and on and on.

Having your blood checked regularly is a BAD thing??

> cyclocross has not really been about the drugs

WTF does an altitude tent have to do with drugs?

Andy Coggan

P.S. I'd loan Page my altitude tent, but I really don't care about
cyclocross, prefering instead to support deserving track racers...

 

[Donald Munro]

jerry in vermont wrote:
>>cyclocross has not really been about the drugs, and seems to be lagging
>>behind road in all this big money drug business, and has been more
>>about specializing and hard work.

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> What drugs? How is an altitude tent drugs? It's not drugs. it's a
> place in which one sleeps.

And its probably not a good place to smoke drugs in either.

 

[Frank Drackman]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> jerry in vermont wrote:
>
>> having an O2 tent means you have also got a doctor on staff
>> to monitor you blood levels
>
> Only if you were born with a naturally-high hematocrit. Otherwise,
> using an altitude tent won't push you over the UCI limit.
>
>> , and then of course you are getting your
>> blood checked regularly, and on and on.
>
> Having your blood checked regularly is a BAD thing??
>
>> cyclocross has not really been about the drugs
>
> WTF does an altitude tent have to do with drugs?
>
> Andy Coggan
>
> P.S. I'd loan Page my altitude tent, but I really don't care about
> cyclocross, prefering instead to support deserving track racers...
>

At this point I think that he needs a good PT more than a tent.

 

[RicodJour]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
> What drugs? How is an altitude tent drugs? It's not drugs. it's a
> place in which one sleeps.

You've never heard of the band Sweet? They covered all of this in
their song, Love is Like Oxygen.

Love is like oxygen
You get too much you get too high

If that's not a drug, I don't know what is.

R

 

[dbrower]

RicodJour wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >
> > What drugs? How is an altitude tent drugs? It's not drugs. it's a
> > place in which one sleeps.
>
> You've never heard of the band Sweet? They covered all of this in
> their song, Love is Like Oxygen.
>
> Love is like oxygen
> You get too much you get too high
>
> If that's not a drug, I don't know what is.

Let's start with whatever you were taking that said using Sweet lyrics
was good place to find a scientific definition. :-/

-dB

 

[Mark Fennell]

RicodJour wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> What drugs? How is an altitude tent drugs? It's not drugs. it's a
>> place in which one sleeps.
> You've never heard of the band Sweet? They covered all of this in
> their song, Love is Like Oxygen.
>
> Love is like oxygen
> You get too much you get too high
>

....and "Love is the Drug" (Roxy Music),
so, Tent ==Oxygen==Love==Drug. QED

 

[Bob Schwartz]

jerry in vermont wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>> jerry in vermont wrote:
>>> why? cause having an O2 tent means you have also got a doctor on staff
>>> to monitor you blood levels, and then of course you are getting your
>>> blood checked regularly, and on and on.
>> http://www.labessentials.com/centrifuge.htm#Portable Centrifuges
>>
>> Bob Schwartz
>
> you guys are all over this doping apparatus ****. I think you have a
> skewed view of bike racers in general, confusing them with
> techno-geeker usenet groupies who spend their time spoofing and tracing
> ISP's and blah blah blah.

The reason I knew to google for cheap, portable hematocrit testers
is because... I know someone who has one. And he's not a pro. Kurgan
is dead on regarding the motivations for doping.

> 2. I dont think biker racers are building tents off of parts they buy
> online, and whipping up control systems for them with their electrical
> engineering buds over beers. Nor do I think that they drawing and
> measuring their own blood on little machines they google up off the
> net.

Heh.

Bob Schwartz

 

[Kurgan Gringioni]

[email protected] wrote:
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> >
> > And yes, jerry in vermont is an idiot, but what do you expect? He
> > worships bike racers.
>
> dumbass,
>
> what's surprising about this thread is that rbr wise guys like you and
> JFT would bite on this lame troll.




Dumbass -


I think poor ol' jerry may actually be serious.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

 

[Donald Munro]

Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Heh.

Translation from the Dutch Hah ?

 

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Of course Americans have doped...the history of cycling is the history
of doping in sport, and we should do everthing legally and ethically
possible to get rid of it.

That being said, when pople like **** Pound and Pat McQuaid ignore
their own rules, attempt to try people publically instead of allowing
cases to be adjucated in the proper forums, and basically mouth off in
a way which ignores any concept of "innocent until proven guilty," it
makes a mockery of the entire testing process. The documented issues
with the lab and the tests (especially in the Landis case) only
compounds the problem.

Right now, I'm as disgusted with WADA and the UCI as I am the cyclists
who really are cheating.


Simon Brooke wrote:
> in message <[email protected]>, jerry in
> vermont ('[email protected]') wrote:
>
> > 1. I dont think doping is that "pervasive" in cross, or MTB for that
> > matter, or domestic pro racing either, at this point. I think it IS
> > pervasive/widespread in euro based road racing.
>
> Yes, it's all these nasty dishonest cheating Europeans doing the dirty on
> good, clean living American wimps^W cyclists. Of course Americans don't
> cheat. The US Olympic cycling team have never pioneered blood doping, and
> the coach of that team never went on to found a cycling team. Even if he
> had, none of the members or ex members of that team would ever be found to
> have doped. Uniquely in the world, US cyclists are clean, honourable,
> upstanding men who achieve greatness through purity of heart and
> dedication to the cause, entirely unaided by medical science...
>
> Oh, and irony is like pewtery, only harder.
>
> --
> [email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> ;; All in all you're just another nick in the ball
> -- Think Droid

 

[Kyle Legate]

jerry in vermont wrote:
>
> What initially set me off is the Nijs Nys Nees whatever has repeatedly
> spouted off about how him winning too much is bad for the sport, and
> IIRC even made the connection from that to his income potential, etc.
> Yet he goes to the trouble of dealing with altitude tents for a minimal
> gain.
>
Minimal gain? It provides a convenient alibi for when he gets busted
with a high hematocrit sometime in the future. He lets "altitude tent"
escape from his lips in one interview and now he doesn't have to worry
about tifosi murmuring about EPO when he makes a mistake in the timing
of the microdoses.

Sounds like excellent, below radar ass-covering to me.

 

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <[email protected]>,
John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 17 Oct 2006 05:53:58 -0700, "jerry in vermont"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >RicodJour wrote:
> >> jerry in vermont wrote:
> >> > from cyclingnews.com.
> >> >
> >> > WTF, that is pretty pathetic. Dude dominates, yet he still has to pour
> >> > it on by using the tent, which no one else, hardly, can afford. And
> >> > this is racing in the lowlands, so its doubley unfair
> >> >
> >> > Seriously, though, that is pathetic.
> >>
> >> Why? A competitive personality doesn't stop trying to get better, and,
> >> last time I checked, cycling hadn't gone socialist. On the Fairness
> >> Aggregate Transgression Scale (FATS) this ranks about 0.
> >>
> >> R
> >
> >why? cause having an O2 tent means you have also got a doctor on staff
> >to monitor you blood levels, and then of course you are getting your
> >blood checked regularly, and on and on.
> >
> >cyclocross has not really been about the drugs, and seems to be lagging
> >behind road in all this big money drug business, and has been more
> >about specializing and hard work.
>
> What drugs? How is an altitude tent drugs? It's not drugs. it's a
> place in which one sleeps.

JT, Mr. Pound would like a word with you. He seems to think bringing an
altitude tent into the bedroom constitutes an unnatural act.

He's just trying to preserve our precious bodily fluids,

--
Ryan Cousineau [email protected] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos