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  1. in message <[email hidden]>, Bill C

    (') said:

    I think both teams made the same mistake in that they were racing
    almost exactly the way they have in the past few years, totally
    defensively and negatively, just trying to keep it close until they
    could get a small gap and defend it. That's worked well for Disco with
    a dominant leader and team, it's been the same result in the past for
    both T-Mob and CSC, though I think both were more agressive early on in
    past years, but missing key pieces could account for that.
    Landis going that far down was a total write-off and should have been
    no factor at all, because none of the GC types have been really
    agressive since Hinault. It just "coudn't" happen in their minds, and
    they let it happen.
    Out of desperation, Landis who had no intention of being aggressive
    either, had to do something amazing to get back into it and it took
    them all by surprise.

    I agree, and I think this will make the next two or three years of grand
    tours more exciting. In future escape artists are going to go, not just
    in the hope of winning the stage, but in the hope of winning the GC -
    Landis has shown them that it's possible. And, equally, the teams are
    going to have to pay more attention to escapes, even of poorly placed
    riders, if they think there's any chance of those riders being strong
    enough to stay away.

    This changes the strategic understanding of what's possible, and that
    change will make for a more dynamic and attacking style, at least for a
    while.

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    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; It's dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
    ;; Voltaire RIP Dr David Kelly 1945-2004

  2. Keith said:
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    Riis admitted that they should have chased harder, but when Landis took off,
    he just went too fast. And it wasn't until he had a pretty good gap, that
    Riis saw that Caisse couldn't (or wouldn't) take time on him. He didn't want
    to sacrifise the few riders he had left by chasing Landis too early. When
    they finally got around to it, they took quite a lot of time on him, but at
    that point T-Mob contributed with 1 rider.

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    I think T-mob was the loser team. They should have crushed Landis the day he
    bonked, and kept him in a tight leash the next day. Klöden could have taken
    the victory by crushing Perreiro in the TT


    Yeah, but maybe Sastre would've taken out even more time out of a more
    tired Kloeden on stage 17 then - too much time to take back in the TT?
    Maybe Perreiro too?

    Quoted message said:
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    As to crushing Landis on his bad day, I think they did that already, not
    enough in hindsight, but who could've expected that ride the next day?

    Quoted message said:

    Anyone who watched the climb to La Toussuire will see that TMO went as
    fast as they could, I don't think Kloden was having a great day, in
    fact Perreiro took off at the end.

    No they didn't. They had none of their riders behind the main
    group at the bottom of the last climb, so clearly they made
    inefficient use of their resources. Hell even on the flat bit
    they held back, poor old Gonchar was the only sap who got sent
    to do any work.

  3. Roger Zoul said:

    Ernst Noch wrote:
    :: HBJensen wrote:
    :: As to crushing Landis on his bad day, I think they did that already,
    :: not enough in hindsight, but who could've expected that ride the
    :: next day?

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    I think it's real easy to talk about what should have been done when you
    WEREN'T riding in the race!

    Well if I was riding the race I'd've been in the same position
    I was in anyway by Stage 17. Hell I'd be in the same position
    by Stage 1.

    So many people genuinely think stuff like this it makes
    you wonder if they think only politicians should be able
    to vote in elections.

  4. RonSonic <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Ernst Noch said:

    As to crushing Landis on his bad day, I think they did that already,
    not enough in hindsight, but who could've expected that ride the next
    day?

    Ever follow chess? Even the highest grand masters play their openings
    to prevent the "fools mate."

    They should've and could've locked that door before it ever got
    opened.

    Why don't you guys explain how they could control him. He rode everyone
    off his wheel on that first climb. The consensus reports I've seen said
    that first Periero's team and then the others did all they could to keep
    him in check; if they ride up the climbs harder they drop guys like
    Kessler and Voigt who they used to pull back 2 minutes the flats. One
    suggestion was that the top 10 GC guys unite to chase him, but that would
    never work.

    So, let's hear your ideas. It's easy to sit at your keyboard and say "oh,
    they could've locked the door", but they tried and couldn't do it.

    NS
    rbr DS

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