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"kingsley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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At the risk of starting a flamewar, I just wanted to say
I'm not really game to read aus.bicycle for the time of
the TdF, in case someone posts the results of last-nights TdF
stage before I can get home and watch my recording of it.
Especially when it's gonna be splashed in capitals
in the subject line. Sure this is a fairly petty request,

Not at all, it's quite reasonable to ask people to give fair warning if
they're going to post things like race results. If they can do it for
things like movie plots they surely can do it for the TdF.

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"kingsley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

At the risk of starting a flamewar, I just wanted to say
I'm not really game to read aus.bicycle for the time of
the TdF, in case someone posts the results of last-nights TdF
stage before I can get home and watch my recording of it.
Especially when it's gonna be splashed in capitals
in the subject line. Sure this is a fairly petty request,
but this year I want to spend the month getting home with at
least a pinch of excitement about finding out what went on in
the days racing.

I think the only thing I can do is read usenet 1 day behind...

So I hereby reverve the right to put my two-bobs worth in
long after any aus.bicycle arguments are settled 🙂
(like a settlement is ever reached in aus.bicycle anyway)

I could go on about spoiler space, but I think it's probably
time wasted.

-kt

That's a good thing to do.
You can't expect people to hold back their excitement so as not to spoil the
suprise for everyone else.
That's like Melbournes Greek soccer fans not mentioning winning the finals
until the replay of the match is shown on TV the next day.
The internet is an instantaneous medium and waits for no man. I don't want
to get into a flame war either but let us enjoy Robbies (or any Australian )
win the second he crosses the line, not 24 hours later. Imagine Robbie
getting on the internet after his win to see how it was received at home,
only to find no mention of it at all !

Go Aussie go!!

Marty

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Not at all, it's quite reasonable to ask people to give fair warning if
they're going to post things like race results. If they can do it for
things like movie plots they surely can do it for the TdF.

Yes, but it is NEWS, in the public domain. It's happened. The fact that
SBS does an increasingly dodgy, sponsor-polluted and abbreviated wrap-up
at an arbitrary time in the evening doesn't mean us folks with a bit of
time on our hands can't discuss the NEWS in an open forum. Sorry fellas,
if you can check Usenet, you can go to cyclingnews.com/latest and have a
look for yourself. You might even get some visuals (stills).

IMO, cycling is not just the result, but the way in which the result was
arrived at. Phil Liggett's rambling and prognosticating on Erik Zabel's
birthday win last time they were in Belgium. Paul Sherwin's eternal team-
member confusion. [grumble] With race radios, it's becoming more
choreographed and less exciting anyway. Bring back lone suicide
breakaways and two-up time trials, I say.[/grumble]

Euro cable would make it a bit more irksome. People bragging they'd seen
2hrs coverage on their time slip DVD recorder would be a bit too much.
So I'm drawing the line, OK? No bragging about all the coverage you've
got on DVD, ok? (Or let me watch it?) 😄

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Seeing that last night's result has already been mentioned on every morning
TV show, on morning radio, and on any number of internet news sites, you'd
better spend the next three weeks living in a barrel and only emerge for
half an hour a day to watch the replay.

Nick

"kingsley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

At the risk of starting a flamewar, I just wanted to say
I'm not really game to read aus.bicycle for the time of
the TdF, in case someone posts the results of last-nights TdF
stage before I can get home and watch my recording of it.
Especially when it's gonna be splashed in capitals
in the subject line. Sure this is a fairly petty request,
but this year I want to spend the month getting home with at
least a pinch of excitement about finding out what went on in
the days racing.

I think the only thing I can do is read usenet 1 day behind...

So I hereby reverve the right to put my two-bobs worth in
long after any aus.bicycle arguments are settled 🙂
(like a settlement is ever reached in aus.bicycle anyway)

I could go on about spoiler space, but I think it's probably
time wasted.

-kt

Kingsley said:

At the risk of starting a flamewar, I just wanted to say I'm not really
game to read aus.bicycle for the time of the TdF, in case someone posts
the results of last-nights TdF stage before I can get home and watch my
recording of it. Especially when it's gonna be splashed in capitals in
the subject line. Sure this is a fairly petty request, but this year I
want to spend the month getting home with at least a pinch of excitement
about finding out what went on in the days racing.
I think the only thing I can do is read usenet 1 day behind...
So I hereby reverve the right to put my two-bobs worth in long after any
aus.bicycle arguments are settled 🙂 (like a settlement is ever reached
in aus.bicycle anyway)
I could go on about spoiler space, but I think it's probably time
wasted.
-kt

You get my vote😄

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"kingsley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

At the risk of starting a flamewar, I just wanted to say
I'm not really game to read aus.bicycle for the time of
the TdF, in case someone posts the results of last-nights TdF
stage before I can get home and watch my recording of it.
Especially when it's gonna be splashed in capitals
in the subject line. Sure this is a fairly petty request,

Not at all, it's quite reasonable to ask people to give fair warning if
they're going to post things like race results. If they can do it for
things like movie plots they surely can do it for the TdF.

First ever post to aus.bicycle, July 8 th 1990

"welcome to aus.bicyle"

Second ever post July 8 th 1990

"Olaf Ludwig wins stage 8"

Perhaps only me, but it's a pet hate of mine to read posts complaining
of having a result "spoilt" when visiting a news group. C'mon, what
do you expect ? It's an anonymous posting service populated by a huge
number of morons who exist to cause havoc.

If you don't want to know, don't log in. And if you don't want to
know, but do log in, and then you know, well, you've only got your
self to blame.

LAN Support said:

Seeing that last night's result has already been mentioned on every
morning TV show, on morning radio, and on any number of internet news
sites, you'd better spend the next three weeks living in a barrel and only
emerge for half an hour a day to watch the replay.

I do, it's called CityRail.

Easy to avoid news before 7am, and (with any luck) I have the recording
when I get home at 7pm.

-kt

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"kingsley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I do, it's called CityRail.

Easy to avoid news before 7am, and (with any luck) I have the recording
when I get home at 7pm.

a.k.a. Connex a.k.a. pushie. I manage to avoid all news until
6pm and I'm not even trying. I just have no interest in all the
[censored] that's fed to us in newspapers and on tv..
I usually try to read the cyclingnews live feed and then watch
my copy when I finally make it home.

Stage 2 was stack-a-rama eh?! Pave coming up today...

hippy

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"kingsley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

At the risk of starting a flamewar, I just wanted to say
I'm not really game to read aus.bicycle for the time of
the TdF, in case someone posts the results of last-nights TdF
stage before I can get home and watch my recording of it.
Especially when it's gonna be splashed in capitals
in the subject line. Sure this is a fairly petty request,
but this year I want to spend the month getting home with at
least a pinch of excitement about finding out what went on in
the days racing.

I think the only thing I can do is read usenet 1 day behind...

So I hereby reverve the right to put my two-bobs worth in
long after any aus.bicycle arguments are settled 🙂
(like a settlement is ever reached in aus.bicycle anyway)

I could go on about spoiler space, but I think it's probably
time wasted.

That's a good thing to do.
You can't expect people to hold back their excitement so as not to
spoil the suprise for everyone else.

Yes, you can - at least of adults.

Quoted message said:

That's like Melbournes Greek soccer fans not mentioning winning the
finals until the replay of the match is shown on TV the next day.
The internet is an instantaneous medium and waits for no man. I don't
want to get into a flame war either but let us enjoy Robbies (or any
Australian ) win the second he crosses the line, not 24 hours later.
Imagine Robbie getting on the internet after his win to see how it
was received at home, only to find no mention of it at all !

Usenet is far from being an instantaneous medium, so much so that Usenet
guidelines advise against trying to use it as a news source.

Besides, no-one is asking anyone not to express their excitement, merely to
do so in a manner which respects those like Kingsley who want to watch the
tape when they get home. Using spoiler space is not difficult or onerous.

Oh, dear, I've talked about respect for others again. I suppose that means
every [censored] in the precinct will now make a point of top-posting every
race result, regardless of who or how many people they [censored].

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D R Sole is back on his hobby horse again :-)

I don't brlieve respect for others includes calling them [censored]. But
I will admit in your case I would make an exception.

John L.

Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:12:58 +1000, "DRS" <[email hidden]>

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Oh, dear, I've talked about respect for others again. I suppose that means
every [censored] in the precinct will now make a point of top-posting every
race result, regardless of who or how many people they [censored].

"John L" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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D R Sole is back on his hobby horse again :-)

Yes, consideration for others is such a terrible idea, at least for fools
like you.

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I don't brlieve respect for others includes calling them [censored]. But
I will admit in your case I would make an exception.

I let the [censored] prove themselves first, as you did and continue to do
with your every post.

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John L said:

D R Sole is ...

IS THAT WHAT DRS stands for?

give us a clue. initials? Doctor of 'S' (whatever that might involve.
can you claim on medicare?😉 )

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Drs said:

[B Yes, consideration for others is such a terrible idea, at least for
fools like you.

I'm sorry, I don't know you, but you come across in this medium as a bit
anal-retentive. Accusing people of not being adult enough to delay
gratification of discussing the Tour result until it is a day old, and a
bit stale (given that there is new installments coming every day) is a
bit of a control freaky thing to do.

News, where results are part of them, is discussed in a Forum,
instantaneous or not. The Romans, when they put the name Forum to the
place where people gathered and gossiped, didn't say, "Oh, we're not
talking about that until Caesar has made his 6pm announcement", with all
the processions, trumpets, bells and cymbals, did they? Things got
tossed around, debated, analysed, turned into scuttlebutt, turned into
fact, legend, myth, gossip. Then da man wid da words turned up.

We are different, in that we have access to reliable information as to
the results straight away. We don't get unreliable rumours first, then
the official version. But I like the analysis and speculation. It gets
me thinking during the day.

If you don't want to know what happened, stay at home and don't go to
the Forum:"I told him, Juli, don't go, I said to him Juli, I knew they
were gonna kill him, Juli, I said, don't go . . ." But then you'd miss
out on Calpurnia live.

M "No blood on this toga"H

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Drs said:

[B Yes, consideration for others is such a terrible idea, at

least for > fools like you.

I'm sorry, I don't know you, but you come across in this medium as a
bit anal-retentive. Accusing people of not being adult enough to delay
gratification of discussing the Tour result until it is a day old,
and a bit stale (given that there is new installments coming every
day) is a bit of a control freaky thing to do.

I didn't ask anyone to not discuss anything. Have you never heard of
spoiler space? It works for movie plots and so on so it can work for race
results. It's not new and it's not rocket science. It only requires a
modicum of consideration for others, something that seems beyond certain
morons who unhappily inhabit this precinct.

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Drs said:

I didn't ask anyone to not discuss anything. Have you never heard of
spoiler space? It works for movie plots and so on so it can work for
race results. It's not new and it's not rocket science. It only requires
a modicum of consideration for others, something that seems beyond
certain morons who unhappily inhabit this precinct.

Sorry, doesn't netiquette include not calling people "fools" and
"morons"?

As I tell my Grade Ones: "Point at someone and call them
something, there's one finger pointing at them, and three pointing
right back at you".

Movie plotlines (at least Hollywood ones) are a fait accompli, known by
some for months in advance. You pay money to watch them and be in
suspense. No-one, apart from team sponsors, asks us to pay money so we
can learn about the thrilling plot twists of a stage race. It's open to
all, as the crowds along the route, holding their transistors to their
ears, will show to even a "fool" or a "moron". Bike racing used to be
called the working man's sport, coz entry fees to races were so low. So
the difference is there. You're not depriving anyone of anything by
talking about the result - I watch Tomalaris and co. hover around the
periphery of the action as much as anyone. Knowing that Stuey won the
sprint on the morning after he did it doesn't deprive me of any
enjoyment at 6pm, or some ungodly hour later if I miss the cut on the
commute home. It's the way it happened, not what happened which is the
thing, as anyone who's done any road racing will tell you. Someone wins.
Someone always wins. 'Why' is more important than 'who' and 'when'.

M "serious roadie days behind him" H

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Drs said:

I didn't ask anyone to not discuss anything. Have you never heard

of > spoiler space? It works for movie plots and so on so it can
work for > race results. It's not new and it's not rocket science.
It only requires > a modicum of consideration for others, something
that seems beyond > certain morons who unhappily inhabit this
precinct.

Sorry, doesn't netiquette include not calling people "fools" and
"morons"?

Netiquette and etiquette are not identical.

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As I tell my Grade Ones: "Point at someone and call them
something, there's one finger pointing at them, and three pointing
right back at you".

Movie plotlines (at least Hollywood ones) are a fait accompli, known
by some for months in advance. You pay money to watch them and be in
suspense. No-one, apart from team sponsors, asks us to pay money so we
can learn about the thrilling plot twists of a stage race. It's open
to all, as the crowds along the route, holding their transistors to
their ears, will show to even a "fool" or a "moron". Bike racing used
to be called the working man's sport, coz entry fees to races were so
low. So
the difference is there. You're not depriving anyone of anything by
talking about the result - I watch Tomalaris and co. hover around the
periphery of the action as much as anyone. Knowing that Stuey won the
sprint on the morning after he did it doesn't deprive me of any
enjoyment at 6pm, or some ungodly hour later if I miss the cut on the
commute home. It's the way it happened, not what happened which is the
thing, as anyone who's done any road racing will tell you. Someone
wins. Someone always wins. 'Why' is more important than 'who' and
'when'.

I never cease to be astonished at the lengths some people will go to to
justify their selfishness. Spoiler space costs you nothing but you won't
even do that much.

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Drs said:

I didn't ask anyone to not discuss anything. Have you never heard of
spoiler space? It works for movie plots and so on so it can work for
race results. It's not new and it's not rocket science. It only

requires

Quoted message said:

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a modicum of consideration for others, something that seems beyond
certain morons who unhappily inhabit this precinct.

Sorry, doesn't netiquette include not calling people "fools" and
"morons"?

As I tell my Grade Ones: "Point at someone and call them
something, there's one finger pointing at them, and three pointing
right back at you".

Movie plotlines (at least Hollywood ones) are a fait accompli, known by
some for months in advance. You pay money to watch them and be in
suspense. No-one, apart from team sponsors, asks us to pay money so we
can learn about the thrilling plot twists of a stage race. It's open to
all, as the crowds along the route, holding their transistors to their
ears, will show to even a "fool" or a "moron". Bike racing used to be
called the working man's sport, coz entry fees to races were so low. So
the difference is there. You're not depriving anyone of anything by
talking about the result - I watch Tomalaris and co. hover around the
periphery of the action as much as anyone. Knowing that Stuey won the
sprint on the morning after he did it doesn't deprive me of any
enjoyment at 6pm, or some ungodly hour later if I miss the cut on the
commute home. It's the way it happened, not what happened which is the
thing, as anyone who's done any road racing will tell you. Someone wins.
Someone always wins. 'Why' is more important than 'who' and 'when'.

M "serious roadie days behind him" H

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Well said!

marty

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 21:08:16 +1000, "DRS" <[email hidden]>

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Drs wrote:

If you can count, add up the number who agree with you, then add up
the number that disagree. It's truy sad to watch a loser who believes
he's right & the rest of the world is wrong.

It's a badge of honour to be called a moron by someone as anal as
yourself.

Still top posting, still laughing & still getting RIGHT UP YOUR NOSE
:-)

John L.

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I didn't ask anyone to not discuss anything. Have you never heard

of > spoiler space? It works for movie plots and so on so it can
work for > race results. It's not new and it's not rocket science.
It only requires > a modicum of consideration for others, something
that seems beyond > certain morons who unhappily inhabit this
precinct.

Sorry, doesn't netiquette include not calling people "fools" and
"morons"?

Netiquette and etiquette are not identical.

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I never cease to be astonished at the lengths some people will go to to
justify their selfishness. Spoiler space costs you nothing but you won't
even do that much.

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Still top posting, still laughing & still getting RIGHT UP YOUR NOSE

You wish. You're only proving what a patheitic loser you are.

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