TdF: no spoiler, curious about HRs

On 20/7/04 2:57 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Velvet"

Quoted message said:

Occasionally, eurosport show the BPM of a couple of the riders each day
- they have a max BPM on the scale, and show the current BPM and the %
of max they're at...

I've noticed that quite a lot of them seem to have relatively low (to my
mind) max HR's - possibly it's just my perception - but I was wondering
if that max isn't their maximum but actually the point where they go
Anaerobic/lactic?

Anyone know for sure?

I'd guess that it is the aerobic limit they are treating as max.

This does make some sort of sense, having 'normal' and 'overdrive'.

Just out of interest, what were some of the figures like?

...d

David Martin said:

On 20/7/04 2:57 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Velvet"

Quoted message said:

Occasionally, eurosport show the BPM of a couple of the riders each day
- they have a max BPM on the scale, and show the current BPM and the %
of max they're at...

I've noticed that quite a lot of them seem to have relatively low (to my
mind) max HR's - possibly it's just my perception - but I was wondering
if that max isn't their maximum but actually the point where they go
Anaerobic/lactic?

Anyone know for sure?

I'd guess that it is the aerobic limit they are treating as max.

This does make some sort of sense, having 'normal' and 'overdrive'.

Just out of interest, what were some of the figures like?

..d

Can't tell you which riders, but today one of the pair they had wired up
had a 'max' of 176, and he was pushing at 98-99% of that for quite a
long time, in several periods. Others I've seen have been 185-190, and
I've seen to about 90-95% of that sort of limit.

It's quite amazing if they catch them while they're back in the peloton
taking it a bit easy - I've seen heart rates as low as 110-120, and even
when moving at a moderate (for them!) pace, it's been around 130-140bpm,
sometimes up around 156bpm if they're pushing it a bit.

Obviously it ends up a bit higher on the mountain stages when they're
actually climbing, but even so they're a lot lower than I manage on much
kinder hills!!

I'll keep an eye on it a bit more if there's any interest and jot down
some examples in the coming stages, though probably not tomorrow since
I'm out and about working rather than working from home with the race on
in the background ;-)

--

Velvet

Indurains resting heart rate was 37 when he was at his peak. Mine isn't and
never will be. You just have to be born with certain attributes.

Martin 'MSeries' Newstead said:

Indurains resting heart rate was 37 when he was at his peak. Mine isn't and
never will be. You just have to be born with certain attributes.

Um, yes, I do realise this :-) However, I'm still curious about whether
the limits they're showing are the limits of aerobic capability, or
full-out well-past-anaerobic max heart rates - I'm suspecting the
former, but they've never actually clarified it.

I was quite amazed to find I had a resting rate of 52, before I started
on the recent training (ie, only done a few easy longish and no real
shortish rides) and was still what I'd term very unfit.

--

Velvet

Martin 'MSeries' Newstead [email hidden] opined the
following...

Quoted message said:

Indurains resting heart rate was 37 when he was at his peak. Mine isn't and
never will be. You just have to be born with certain attributes.

Mine was recently down to 47. I know some free divers who see similar
levels while actually diving, but not just resting. That really is
impressive. I'm surprised doctors don't keep trying to resuscitate him!

Jon

You can view the HR of various Tour riders here
http://tdf.polar.fi/tourdefrance/heartrates.html

I think these are true max figures but I'm prepared to be proven wrong. I'm
30 and my max is around 185. The figures on Eurosport are just a bit higher
than me for riders of my age (as they you would expect).

Regards

Paul F

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 16/07/2004

Paul said:

You can view the HR of various Tour riders here
http://tdf.polar.fi/tourdefrance/heartrates.html

I think these are true max figures but I'm prepared to be proven wrong. I'm
30 and my max is around 185. The figures on Eurosport are just a bit higher
than me for riders of my age (as they you would expect).

Regards

Paul F

Yebbut - I'm 33 this thurs, and my max thus far (I've not pushed it to
the absolute limit yet afaik) is 196... I've always understood the max
HR isn't something you can train to be higher, it's predetermined,
though regular excising can stop the loss of one beat a year off it..
But I'm still surprised to see theirs to be lower - maybe mine really is
odd for my age, I don't know.

--

Velvet

Jon Senior jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk said:

Martin 'MSeries' Newstead [email hidden] opined the
following...

Quoted message said:

Indurains resting heart rate was 37 when he was at his peak. Mine isn't and
never will be. You just have to be born with certain attributes.

Mine was recently down to 47. I know some free divers who see similar
levels while actually diving, but not just resting. That really is
impressive. I'm surprised doctors don't keep trying to resuscitate him!

I don't free dive, but when I swim, I swim underwater. If I'm not
moving, I can manage a bit less than two minutes. During this, my heart
rate drops to about 40-45. The lowest I've managed is 39.

Note that resting rate, as I understand it, doesn't mean sitting
comfortably in a chair - it means the hour or two before waking, when
the heart beats at its very slowest.

--
Callas

Callas [email hidden] opined the following...

Quoted message said:

I don't free dive, but when I swim, I swim underwater. If I'm not
moving, I can manage a bit less than two minutes. During this, my heart
rate drops to about 40-45. The lowest I've managed is 39.

The dive reflex is a wonderful thing! My mate believes that diving to
14m + in the North Sea and hunting lobsters with a length of copper
piper and some steel wire is a good thing.

Quoted message said:

Note that resting rate, as I understand it, doesn't mean sitting
comfortably in a chair - it means the hour or two before waking, when
the heart beats at its very slowest.

Not managed to record that one. I might have to wear the HRM to bed some
time.

Jon

Callas said:

Jon Senior jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk said:

Martin 'MSeries' Newstead [email hidden] opined the
following...

Quoted message said:

Indurains resting heart rate was 37 when he was at his peak. Mine isn't and
never will be. You just have to be born with certain attributes.

Mine was recently down to 47. I know some free divers who see similar
levels while actually diving, but not just resting. That really is
impressive. I'm surprised doctors don't keep trying to resuscitate him!

I don't free dive, but when I swim, I swim underwater. If I'm not
moving, I can manage a bit less than two minutes. During this, my heart
rate drops to about 40-45. The lowest I've managed is 39.

Note that resting rate, as I understand it, doesn't mean sitting
comfortably in a chair - it means the hour or two before waking, when
the heart beats at its very slowest.

--
Callas

Ah, slightly diff to what I thought then... I thought it was taken
shortly after you've woken up (hopefully not with a start!) before you
get out of bed/sit up etc.

I did wear the HRM overnight once. Interestingly, it showed the slowest
heart rate at around 4-5am - I seem to think I heard somewhere that
3-4am or thereabouts is also coincidentally the most likely time for you
to peg it from old age?

--

Velvet

Velvet said:

Ah, slightly diff to what I thought then... I thought it was taken
shortly after you've woken up (hopefully not with a start!) before you
get out of bed/sit up etc.

Thats what I read but maybe its because some HRMs don't record anything for
later downloading so the authors realise that it is in fact impossible to
view the display 2-3 hours before waking ! My cheap HRMs don't have a
record/download facility, do expensive ones ? You should average the reading
out over 5 days too.

Quoted message said:

I did wear the HRM overnight once. Interestingly, it showed the
slowest heart rate at around 4-5am -

I read about a guy who did the same but had to set up his camcorder to film
the display as his HRM didn't have record/download

Velvet <[email hidden]> wrote:
: the absolute limit yet afaik) is 196... I've always understood the max
: HR isn't something you can train to be higher, it's predetermined,
: though regular excising can stop the loss of one beat a year off it..
: But I'm still surprised to see theirs to be lower - maybe mine really is

Yours is within the variation. Aren't you female (he says, trying to remember
your previous posts)? If so, women's max HR tends to be higher then mens on
the average.

Arthur

--
Arthur Clune http://www.clune.org
"Technolibertarians make a philosophy out of a personality defect"
- Paulina Borsook

Arthur Clune said:

Velvet <[email hidden]> wrote:
: the absolute limit yet afaik) is 196... I've always understood the max
: HR isn't something you can train to be higher, it's predetermined,
: though regular excising can stop the loss of one beat a year off it..
: But I'm still surprised to see theirs to be lower - maybe mine really is

Yours is within the variation. Aren't you female (he says, trying to remember
your previous posts)? If so, women's max HR tends to be higher then mens on
the average.

Arthur

yes :-)

--

Velvet