In article <[email hidden]>, jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> Michael Press wrote: >> In article >> <[email hidden]>, >> jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>> Michael Press wrote: >>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers >>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke. >>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the >>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the >>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that >>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than >>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing. >>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is >>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do >>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that >>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want >>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy >>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather >>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
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>>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental >>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher >>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but >>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
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>>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style. >>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal >>> safety? >> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive. > how much is your medical insurance?
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You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in <[email hidden]>
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Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers. Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
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do you always take things so personally?
Yes, I take everything personally.
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are you not an autonomous adult capable of making your own decisions?
Good one. What do you think?
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if you're having failures - you allege
I alleged nothing. Described events, reported observations, relayed a thought or two, asked for help.
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that it's a cable routing problem - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
Do not know yet if they are defective. Experience here is uniformly positive.
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to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask questions?
All this because I said "One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive."
Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
-- Michael Press
Bourbon man is an apologist of all high cost popular brands that spend lots of money in advertising to claim technological superiority of their products. He is a critic of those in this newsgroup that question marketing claims and are skeptical of some of the technological claims that marketing makes of expensive products. Whether its campy, shimano, mavic, giant or trek, if it is expensive and has a lot of advertising behind, Bourbon man will defend it and will advance his defense with further technological claims about the defended product and with some progressively less subtle insults to the critic.
In article <[email hidden]>, jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> Michael Press wrote: >> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers >> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke. >> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the >> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the >> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that >> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than >> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing. >> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is >> something about installing aero brake levers that I do >> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that >> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want >> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy >> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather >> than bending the cable as it pulls?
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> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental > problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher > quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but > this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
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> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style. > significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal > safety?
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One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
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how much is your medical insurance?
You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in <[email hidden]>
Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers. Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
Salesman? Perhaps jim beam is a 'nom de net'/alter ego for Grant Petersen? ;-)
In article <[email hidden]>, jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Michael Press wrote: > In article > <[email hidden]>, > jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>> Michael Press wrote: >>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers >>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke. >>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the >>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the >>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that >>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than >>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing. >>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is >>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do >>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that >>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want >>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy >>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather >>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
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>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental >> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher >> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but >> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
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>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style. >> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal >> safety?
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> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
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how much is your medical insurance?
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You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in <[email hidden]>
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Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers. Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
Salesman? Perhaps jim beam is a 'nom de net'/alter ego for Grant Petersen? ;-)
Unlikely. Ever seen Grant recommend a Campy product? I haven't.
Michael Press wrote: > In article > <[email hidden]>, > jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Michael Press wrote: >>> In article >>> <[email hidden]>, >>> jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote: >>>> Michael Press wrote: >>>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers >>>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke. >>>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the >>>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the >>>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that >>>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than >>>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing. >>>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is >>>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do >>>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that >>>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want >>>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy >>>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather >>>>> than bending the cable as it pulls? >>>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental >>>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher >>>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but >>>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem. >>>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style. >>>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal >>>> safety? >>> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive. >> how much is your medical insurance? > You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in > <[email hidden]> > Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers. > Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman? do you always take things so personally?
Yes, I take everything personally.
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are you not an autonomous adult capable of making your own decisions?
Good one. What do you think?
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if you're having failures - you allege
I alleged nothing. Described events, reported observations, relayed a thought or two, asked for help.
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that it's a cable routing problem - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
Do not know yet if they are defective. Experience here is uniformly positive.
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to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask questions?
All this because I said "One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive."
Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
-- Michael Press
Bourbon man is an apologist of all high cost popular brands that spend lots of money in advertising to claim technological superiority of their products. He is a critic of those in this newsgroup that question marketing claims and are skeptical of some of the technological claims that marketing makes of expensive products. Whether its campy, shimano, mavic, giant or trek, if it is expensive and has a lot of advertising behind, Bourbon man will defend it and will advance his defense with further technological claims about the defended product and with some progressively less subtle insults to the critic.
On Oct 17, 6:33 pm, Michael Press <[email hidden]> wrote:
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In article <[email hidden]>, jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> Michael Press wrote: > > In article > > <[email hidden]>, > > jim beam <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> >> Michael Press wrote: > >>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers > >>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke. > >>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the > >>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the > >>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that > >>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than > >>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing. > >>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is > >>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do > >>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that > >>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want > >>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy > >>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather > >>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
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> >> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental > >> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher > >> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but > >> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
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> >> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style. > >> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal > >> safety?
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> > One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
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> how much is your medical insurance?
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You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in <[email hidden]>
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Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers. Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
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Salesman? Perhaps jim beam is a 'nom de net'/alter ego for Grant Petersen? ;-)
Unlikely. Ever seen Grant recommend a Campy product? I haven't.
No, but I *have* seen The Grant sell-sell-sell, going back to the Bridgestone days. Salesmen sell; the exact product is pretty incidental to the act of selling.
"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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er, haven't the delicate sensibilities police got bigger fish to fry?
besides, it's $160 for campy carbon levers, $30 for shimano. and health insurance is no red herring. if you pay $250 per month for insurance, with deductible of say $500, how on earth can anyone justify kvetching about the price of brake levers that don't have the problem the o.p. alleges?
Chicken little [censored] again, and the hole just keeps getting bigger for beamboy.
"jim beam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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but only seem intent on ad hominem argument on topics that have no relevance whatsoever, even when spoon-fed working solutions,
Rich, beamboy, very rich indeed.
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how would you like your darwin award candidacy announced? "he who could not be told"? or "he who could not filter what others learned at grade school"?
Well, for you, it's "he who bullshits most and lies most extravagantly".
