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    EXCERPTS:

    5. Cosmetic implants

    There is something scarily aberrant about puffing up living human flesh by implanting large
    amounts of an alien substance. Not that people will sacrifice vanity – of course that is out of
    the question – but any truly advanced medical technology would simply grow the flesh into the
    desired shape, using the human metabolism as opposed to injections of window putty. Silicone's
    mimicry of flesh – and the same goes for gel, saline and collagen – is simply too crude for
    genuinely cosmetic purposes.

    6. Land mines

    The planet is already cluttered with well-meaning non-governmental organisations protesting about
    land mines. Their plaint makes perfect sense when you realise that land mines are ideally suited to
    blowing up peacemakers once a war is over.

    During a war, few soldiers step on land mines because mines are placed by enemies waiting with
    rifles. Once the armies demob, though – and armies always do – land mines don't kill combatants any
    more. They kill livestock, the brighter and more exploratory kinds of children, and the men and
    women who wander around after soldiers, attempting to restore the planet to habitability.

    There is something to be said for the practice of automating bombs so that people can get killed
    without any human intervention. After all, there's a long technical trend there, and it strongly
    favours advanced societies with engineers over those among us who merely pick up hoes and axes in
    fits of tribal rage. But it's stupid to manufacture and spread lethal devices that don't know when a
    war is over.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Some technologies are so blatantly obnoxious that the human race would rejoice if they were
    summarily executed. Humorist and science-fiction writer Bruce Sterling offers some candidates.

    Technologies die rather routinely - seen a covered wagon lately? - but it's rare for them to be
    singled out and righteously put to death. Some technologies, however, are so blatantly obnoxious
    that the human race would rejoice if they were obliterated. A wise society would honour its young
    technical innovators for services rendered in annihilating obsolete technologies that are the
    dangerous hangovers of previous, less advanced generations. Let me offer some candidates.

    7. Nuclear weapons

    One can make some sound arguments for nuclear power – medical radioisotopes are quite handy, while
    far-travelling spacecraft can barely function on anything less – but there is no reason for us to go
    on pretending that we need to fry entire chunks of continents. Not only are nuclear weapons
    technically clumsy, but they betray a blatant death wish better suited to al Qaeda than a
    civilisation.

    These days, a well-organised state can deftly obliterate any conceivable target with exquisite GPS
    accuracy. Conventional "daisy-cutters" and cluster bombs can be scaled up to any size or potency
    that the military might need. This leaves nuclear bombs with only one ideal function: terrorism.
    They are excellent weapons for non-governmental predators to deploy against centres of government.
    They are quite useless for governments to deploy against terrorists. So why are governments still
    manufacturing these expensive, dangerous, easily stolen objects?

    If all nuclear weapons vanished tomorrow, the world's current military situation would not be
    affected one whit. The United States would still be military top boss. Yet we'd be much less likely
    to wake up one morning to find Paris or Washington missing.

    8. The internal-combustion engine

    I have to confess that, as a former denizen of the 20th century, I'll miss the loud, soul-
    stirring THRAAAAGH of a two-stroke motorcycle. And litre for litre, kilojoule for kilojoule,
    petrol is truly the queen of liquid fuels. Nevertheless, if you stand inside a closed garage with
    any internal-combustion engine, it will kill you. That is bad. Even the best such engines emit an
    eye-watering stink.

    Internal-combustion engines are big and clumsy. They are hard to tune and they waste a lot of
    effort carrying their own weight. They've got a great incumbent fuelling system built into place,
    but they need to be replaced by hydrogen and fuel cells, technologies that are simpler, safer and
    cleaner. If you need really loud, macho engine noises, why not just record them and play them on
    your car stereo?

    9. Prisons

    It's rather out of style to suggest that people who transgress might be rehabilitated if treated
    decently. But even if criminals are to be relentlessly punished, removed from the sight of decent
    people and kept in a giant ghetto, there are better, cheaper and more efficient ways than the
    ones we have.

    Newfangled electronic-parole monitors and ubiquitous computing offer plenty of opportunities. These
    certainly needn't be seen as sissified kinds of constraints; they could be just as cruel and unusual
    as anyone might like.

    Lose your internal visa (formerly known as a "driver's licence"😉 and you soon find that merchants
    won't take your credit, that aircraft won't transport you, that for all your sunny smiles and good
    behaviour, you are under heavy constraints. Many airports have become incarceration centres in all
    but name, plus you can get a drink there and listen to Muzak. So why do we go through these same
    ritual gestures with the iron bars, uniforms and transport trucks? Technically, it's redundant.

    10. Incandescent light bulbs

    In reality, these sad devices are "heat bulbs". Supposedly a lighting technology, they produce nine
    times more raw heat than they do illumination. The light they do give, admittedly, is still prettier
    than the eerie glow of compact fluorescents and light-emitting diodes. But it's still a far cry from
    the glories of natural daylight.

    Plus there's the cost of light bulbs, their fragility, the replacement overhead, the vast waste
    of energy, glass and tungsten, the goofy hassle of running air-conditioners to do battle with
    the blazing heat of all these round little glass stoves ... let's face it, these gizmos deserve
    to vanish.

    They will be replaced by a superior technology, something cheap, cool and precisely engineered, that
    emits visible wavelengths genuinely suited to a consumer's human eyeball. Our descendants will stare
    at those vacuum-shrouded wires as if they were whale-oil lanterns.

    11. Cosmetic implants

    There is something scarily aberrant about puffing up living human flesh by implanting large
    amounts of an alien substance. Not that people will sacrifice vanity – of course that is out of
    the question – but any truly advanced medical technology would simply grow the flesh into the
    desired shape, using the human metabolism as opposed to injections of window putty. Silicone's
    mimicry of flesh – and the same goes for gel, saline and collagen – is simply too crude for
    genuinely cosmetic purposes.

    12. DVDs

    The DVD was the most eagerly adopted electronic consumer gizmo in history, but I'd feel bad if I
    failed to complain about the evil of these things. First and worst, DVDs are unbearably frail. Any
    benefit one gets from "clearer pictures" – on what HDTV superscreen, exactly? – is quickly removed
    by the catastrophic effects of a single thumbprint or scratch. Plus, just like CDs, DVDs as physical
    objects will prove to warp and delaminate.

    Most loathsome of all is the fiendish spam hard-burned into DVDs, which forces one to suffer through
    the commercials gratefully evaded by videotape fast-forwards. The Content Scrambling System copy
    protection scheme doesn't work, and the payoff for pirating DVDs is huge because, unlike tapes,
    digital data don't degrade with reproduction. So DVDs have the downside of piracy and organised
    crime, without the upside of free, simple distribution. Some day they will stand starkly revealed
    for what they really are: collateral damage to consumers in the entertainment industry's miserable,
    endless war of attrition with digital media.

    13. Lie detectors

    They just plain don't work. They might have some vague use in increasing the psychological stress of
    a subject under interrogation, but galvanic skin response and heart rate have little to do with the
    process of lying. The use of lie detectors is basically a voodoo ritual that allows large
    institutions to lie to themselves about the trustworthiness of their employees.

    Even if lie detectors did work – say, with newfangled nuclear magnetic-resonance brain scans – they
    would become an Orwellian intrusion. Furthermore, there would likely be a social revolution as major
    actors in society, from top to bottom, had to admit to fabricating their lives out of spin and
    wishful thinking. The official public version of our means, motives and opportunities is severely
    divorced from the private world of our interior thoughts. If we were forced to confront and reveal
    our brain functions through technological means, most of us would soon discover that we led half-
    baked lives of quiet intellectual desperation, in which little thought of any kind ever took place.

    14. Land mines

    The planet is already cluttered with well-meaning non-governmental organisations protesting about
    land mines. Their plaint makes perfect sense when you realise that land mines are ideally suited to
    blowing up peacemakers once a war is over.

    During a war, few soldiers step on land mines because mines are placed by enemies waiting with
    rifles. Once the armies demob, though – and armies always do – land mines don't kill combatants any
    more. They kill livestock, the brighter and more exploratory kinds of children, and the men and
    women who wander around after soldiers, attempting to restore the planet to habitability.

    There is something to be said for the practice of automating bombs so that people can get killed
    without any human intervention. After all, there's a long technical trend there, and it strongly
    favours advanced societies with engineers over those among us who merely pick up hoes and axes in
    fits of tribal rage. But it's stupid to manufacture and spread lethal devices that don't know when a
    war is over.

    15. Coal-based power

    Coal isn't so much a "technology" as a whole school of them, all bad or worse. Coal was the
    primeval fuel of the industrial revolution. Coal powered the first steam engines, whose killer app
    was pumping stagnant water out of coal mines. It powered the railroads, whose killer app was
    moving coal.

    Unfortunately, we've been doing this coal trick for some 200 years, and coal is getting uglier by
    the day. If your accountants rival those of Enron, you can claim that coal is a cheap fuel. Add in
    acid rain, climate damage and medical costs, and it swiftly becomes dead obvious that coal is a
    menace. Coal spews more weather-wrecking pollutants into the air per unit of energy than any other
    fossil fuel. Extracting coal destroys vast tracts of land. Coal mining is one of the world's most
    dangerous jobs.

    If coal vanished tomorrow, we'd miss it: the US would lose a quarter of its energy supplies; in
    Australia, it would be closer to 50%. But that shortfall, daunting though it is, cannot compare with
    the ghastly prospect of blackened skies over China and seas rising out of their beds. The sooner we
    rid ourselves of this destructive addiction, the less we will have to regret.

    16. Manned spaceflight

    One hates to see this dazzling technology go, but when one resolutely sets the romance aside,
    there's not a lot left. Thanks to decades of biological research, it's quite clear that flying
    around the solar system is bad for one's health. Without the healthy stresses of gravity on one's
    skeleton, human bones decay just as they do during prolonged bed rest, while muscles atrophy. Cosmic
    rays blast through spacecraft walls and human bodies, while solar flares will fry astronauts as
    diligently as any nuclear bomb. I won't mention the fact that spacecraft are inherently rickety and
    dangerous, because that's a major part of their attraction.

    China has just sent its first "taikonaut" into orbit to belatedly become the world's third manned
    space power. As a test of national will and skill, Chinese spaceflight is vastly preferable to, say,
    invading Taiwan. I promise to watch Chinese manned spaceflight with great interest, and I might even
    buy the mission patch and stickers, but frankly, there isn't much there. There haven't been men or
    women out of low-Earth orbit in some 30 solid years. We don't seem to miss them in any way that is
    quantifiable.

    There is little point in stepping onto the Moon, leaving flags and footprints, then retreating once
    again. The staggering price of shipping a kilogram into orbit has not come down in decades. In the
    meantime, unmanned spacecraft grow smaller and more capable every year. Until we bioengineer
    ourselves to enjoy cosmic rays, or until we've got rockets that can lift a Winnebago made of solid
    lead, this technology belongs on the museum shelf.

    Bruce Sterling is a science fiction author, journalist and cultural critic based in Austin, Texas.
    2003 Technology Review, Inc. All rights reserved.

    Care to comment? Letters to The Bulletin should be no longer than 200 words and sent to:
    [email hidden] or Letters Editor, The Bulletin, GPO Box 3957, Sydney, NSW 1028. Fax:
    (02) 9267 4359. Only letters and emails with a daytime phone number, suburb and state will be
    considered for publication. Letters may be edited for length and clarity.

  2. Ilena,

    You really pull some [censored] out of the bag. I know you wanted to concentrate in implants, but lets
    look at the whole lot....

    <snip...... errr ..... prepeats>

    Quoted message said:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Some technologies are so blatantly obnoxious that the human race would rejoice if they were
    summarily executed. Humorist and science-fiction writer Bruce Sterling offers some candidates.

    Technologies die rather routinely - seen a covered wagon lately? - but it's rare for them to be
    singled out and righteously put to death. Some technologies, however, are so blatantly obnoxious
    that the human race would rejoice if they were obliterated. A wise society would honour its young
    technical innovators for services rendered in annihilating obsolete technologies that are the
    dangerous hangovers of previous, less advanced generations. Let me offer some candidates.

    Technologies die because they are not wanted or needed any longer. It is hard to kill something
    truly useful, the best way being to make some new innovation that makes the current tech
    obsolete....

    Quoted message said:


    1. Nuclear weapons

    One can make some sound arguments for nuclear power - medical radioisotopes are quite handy, while
    far-travelling spacecraft can barely function on anything less - but there is no reason for us to
    go on pretending that we need to fry entire chunks of continents. Not only are nuclear weapons
    technically clumsy, but they betray a blatant death wish better suited to al Qaeda than a
    civilisation.

    These days, a well-organised state can deftly obliterate any conceivable target with exquisite GPS
    accuracy. Conventional "daisy-cutters" and cluster bombs can be scaled up to any size or potency
    that the military might need. This leaves nuclear bombs with only one ideal function: terrorism.
    They are excellent weapons for non-governmental predators to deploy against centres of government.
    They are quite useless for governments to deploy against terrorists. So why are governments still
    manufacturing these expensive, dangerous, easily stolen objects?

    To terrorise their enemies of course.

    Quoted message said:


    If all nuclear weapons vanished tomorrow, the world's current military situation would not be
    affected one whit. The United States would still be military top boss. Yet we'd be much less
    likely to wake up one morning to find Paris or Washington missing.

    Wrong. At least those who possess these weapons think that way. North Korea probably believes that
    the only thing preserving it's existance as a independent state it the western belief that it has
    neuclear weapons. That may in fact be correct. USA and the Soviet Union did not have a go at each
    other because of neuclear weapons.

    However, this is an area where I would agree with the author, these could be done away with and make
    the world a better place.

    Quoted message said:


    2. The internal-combustion engine

    I have to confess that, as a former denizen of the 20th century, I'll miss the loud, soul-
    stirring THRAAAAGH of a two-stroke motorcycle. And litre for litre, kilojoule for kilojoule,
    petrol is truly the queen of liquid fuels. Nevertheless, if you stand inside a closed garage with
    any internal-combustion engine, it will kill you. That is bad. Even the best such engines emit an
    eye-watering stink.

    Internal-combustion engines are big and clumsy. They are hard to tune and they waste a lot of
    effort carrying their own weight. They've got a great incumbent fuelling system built into place,
    but they need to be replaced by hydrogen and fuel cells, technologies that are simpler, safer and
    cleaner. If you need really loud, macho engine noises, why not just record them and play them on
    your car stereo?

    So who actually has a portable hydrogen fuel cell that can be used in a car? Companies have poured a
    heap of money into this since the '60s, and still nothing practical. They either leak poisonous
    chemicals or have to use extremely dangerous (and low energy density) hydrogen.

    Quoted message said:


    3. Prisons

    It's rather out of style to suggest that people who transgress might be rehabilitated if treated
    decently. But even if criminals are to be relentlessly punished, removed from the sight of decent
    people and kept in a giant ghetto, there are better, cheaper and more efficient ways than the ones
    we have.

    Newfangled electronic-parole monitors and ubiquitous computing offer plenty of opportunities.
    These certainly needn't be seen as sissified kinds of constraints; they could be just as cruel and
    unusual as anyone might like.

    Lose your internal visa (formerly known as a "driver's licence"😉 and you soon find that merchants
    won't take your credit, that aircraft won't transport you, that for all your sunny smiles and good
    behaviour, you are under heavy constraints. Many airports have become incarceration centres in all
    but name, plus you can get a drink there and listen to Muzak. So why do we go through these same
    ritual gestures with the iron bars, uniforms and transport trucks? Technically, it's redundant.

    Won't stop the crooks from bashing members of the public, unless you also arm all non criminals
    with guns....

    Quoted message said:


    4. Incandescent light bulbs

    In reality, these sad devices are "heat bulbs". Supposedly a lighting technology, they produce
    nine times more raw heat than they do illumination. The light they do give, admittedly, is still
    prettier than the eerie glow of compact fluorescents and light-emitting diodes. But it's still a
    far cry from the glories of natural daylight.

    Plus there's the cost of light bulbs, their fragility, the replacement overhead, the vast waste
    of energy, glass and tungsten, the goofy hassle of running air-conditioners to do battle with
    the blazing heat of all these round little glass stoves ... let's face it, these gizmos deserve
    to vanish.

    They will be replaced by a superior technology, something cheap, cool and precisely engineered,
    that emits visible wavelengths genuinely suited to a consumer's human eyeball. Our descendants
    will stare at those vacuum-shrouded wires as if they were whale-oil lanterns.

    Actually, I have almost replaced all my light bulbs with something better. There are still areas
    that light bulbs do better though. However, light bulbs are dying naturally. They do not need to be
    gotten rid of.

    Quoted message said:


    5. Cosmetic implants

    There is something scarily aberrant about puffing up living human flesh by implanting large
    amounts of an alien substance. Not that people will sacrifice vanity - of course that is out of
    the question - but any truly advanced medical technology would simply grow the flesh into the
    desired shape, using the human metabolism as opposed to injections of window putty. Silicone's
    mimicry of flesh - and the same goes for gel, saline and collagen - is simply too crude for
    genuinely cosmetic purposes.

    Very good, use human flesh (cloned). However, the technology as yet dosn't exist (but will soon,
    fingers crossed). In the mean time, what do we use? I could do without, but who are you to tell
    others that they cannot enhance their bodies.

    Quoted message said:


    6. DVDs

    The DVD was the most eagerly adopted electronic consumer gizmo in history, but I'd feel bad if I
    failed to complain about the evil of these things. First and worst, DVDs are unbearably frail. Any
    benefit one gets from "clearer pictures" - on what HDTV superscreen, exactly?
    - is quickly removed by the catastrophic effects of a single thumbprint or scratch. Plus, just
    like CDs, DVDs as physical objects will prove to warp and delaminate.

    Most loathsome of all is the fiendish spam hard-burned into DVDs, which forces one to suffer
    through the commercials gratefully evaded by videotape fast-forwards. The Content Scrambling
    System copy protection scheme doesn't work, and the payoff for pirating DVDs is huge because,
    unlike tapes, digital data don't degrade with reproduction. So DVDs have the downside of piracy
    and organised crime, without the upside of free, simple distribution. Some day they will stand
    starkly revealed for what they really are: collateral damage to consumers in the entertainment
    industry's miserable, endless war of attrition with digital media.

    OK smart [censored], what could be used that it better and cheaper? Doubtless, something will come along
    and the DVD will die a natural death, but there is no need to forcefully kill it.

    Quoted message said:


    7. Lie detectors

    They just plain don't work. They might have some vague use in increasing the psychological stress
    of a subject under interrogation, but galvanic skin response and heart rate have little to do with
    the process of lying. The use of lie detectors is basically a voodoo ritual that allows large
    institutions to lie to themselves about the trustworthiness of their employees.

    Even if lie detectors did work - say, with newfangled nuclear magnetic-resonance brain scans -
    they would become an Orwellian intrusion. Furthermore, there would likely be a social revolution
    as major actors in society, from top to bottom, had to admit to fabricating their lives out of
    spin and wishful thinking. The official public version of our means, motives and opportunities is
    severely divorced from the private world of our interior thoughts. If we were forced to confront
    and reveal our brain functions through technological means, most of us would soon discover that we
    led half-baked lives of quiet intellectual desperation, in which little thought of any kind ever
    took place.

    Ok, you got me there, these things deserve a bit of museam space and nothing more.

    Quoted message said:


    8. Land mines

    The planet is already cluttered with well-meaning non-governmental organisations protesting about
    land mines. Their plaint makes perfect sense when you realise that land mines are ideally suited
    to blowing up peacemakers once a war is over.

    During a war, few soldiers step on land mines because mines are placed by enemies waiting with
    rifles. Once the armies demob, though - and armies always do - land mines don't kill combatants
    any more. They kill livestock, the brighter and more exploratory kinds of children, and the men
    and women who wander around after soldiers, attempting to restore the planet to habitability.

    There is something to be said for the practice of automating bombs so that people can get killed
    without any human intervention. After all, there's a long technical trend there, and it strongly
    favours advanced societies with engineers over those among us who merely pick up hoes and axes in
    fits of tribal rage. But it's stupid to manufacture and spread lethal devices that don't know when
    a war is over.

    As per neuclear weapons, mines are just too useful to be gotten rid of. That governments are
    realising that improvements must be made to stop them killing after the war is over is a good thing.
    The treaty that was signed by most governments banning AP mines was also a noble sentiment. I thing
    though, that if there is ever a major shooting match like WW1 or WW2, this treaty will be forgotten.

    Quoted message said:


    9. Coal-based power

    Coal isn't so much a "technology" as a whole school of them, all bad or worse. Coal was the
    primeval fuel of the industrial revolution. Coal powered the first steam engines, whose killer app
    was pumping stagnant water out of coal mines. It powered the railroads, whose killer app was
    moving coal.

    Unfortunately, we've been doing this coal trick for some 200 years, and coal is getting uglier by
    the day. If your accountants rival those of Enron, you can claim that coal is a cheap fuel. Add in
    acid rain, climate damage and medical costs, and it swiftly becomes dead obvious that coal is a
    menace. Coal spews more weather-wrecking pollutants into the air per unit of energy than any other
    fossil fuel. Extracting coal destroys vast tracts of land. Coal mining is one of the world's most
    dangerous jobs.

    If coal vanished tomorrow, we'd miss it: the US would lose a quarter of its energy supplies; in
    Australia, it would be closer to 50%. But that shortfall, daunting though it is, cannot compare
    with the ghastly prospect of blackened skies over China and seas rising out of their beds. The
    sooner we rid ourselves of this destructive addiction, the less we will have to regret.

    And replace it with what? True, the future will probably not be coal, but that is far off. In the
    mean time, we still need energy, and coal, at $30/tonne with power plants running at 60% thermal
    efficiency, it is still one of the cheapest sources of electricity around.

    Quoted message said:


    10. Manned spaceflight

    One hates to see this dazzling technology go, but when one resolutely sets the romance aside,
    there's not a lot left. Thanks to decades of biological research, it's quite clear that flying
    around the solar system is bad for one's health. Without the healthy stresses of gravity on one's
    skeleton, human bones decay just as they do during prolonged bed rest, while muscles atrophy.
    Cosmic rays blast through spacecraft walls and human bodies, while solar flares will fry
    astronauts as diligently as any nuclear bomb. I won't mention the fact that spacecraft are
    inherently rickety and dangerous, because that's a major part of their attraction.

    China has just sent its first "taikonaut" into orbit to belatedly become the world's third manned
    space power. As a test of national will and skill, Chinese spaceflight is vastly preferable to,
    say, invading Taiwan. I promise to watch Chinese manned spaceflight with great interest, and I
    might even buy the mission patch and stickers, but frankly, there isn't much there. There haven't
    been men or women out of low-Earth orbit in some 30 solid years. We don't seem to miss them in any
    way that is quantifiable.

    There is little point in stepping onto the Moon, leaving flags and footprints, then retreating
    once again. The staggering price of shipping a kilogram into orbit has not come down in decades.
    In the meantime, unmanned spacecraft grow smaller and more capable every year. Until we
    bioengineer ourselves to enjoy cosmic rays, or until we've got rockets that can lift a Winnebago
    made of solid lead, this technology belongs on the museum shelf.

    Bruce Sterling is a science fiction author, journalist and cultural critic based in Austin, Texas.
    2003 Technology Review, Inc. All rights reserved.

    Well stay on earth you wimp. You call yourself a science fiction writer. Pah.

    Quoted message said:

    Care to comment? Letters to The Bulletin should be no longer than 200 words and sent to:
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    Doug

  3. "Doug" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Ilena,

    You really pull some [censored] out of the bag.

    Thanks!

    Quoted message said:

    I know you wanted to concentrate in implants, but lets look at the whole lot....

    Actually ... I love to see land mines and breast implants together ... they render similar
    feelings in me ...

    I heard once that Honeywell both made landmines and profitted from clearing them. Anyone know
    about that?

    Both implants and landmines can explode at any time ...

    Both are big business ... puttin' them in and taking them out ...

    Both do immeasurable harm ...

    ~~~~~~

    www.BreastImplantAwareness.org

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ilena said:

    "Doug" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Ilena,

    You really pull some [censored] out of the bag.

    Thanks!

    Quoted message said:

    I know you wanted to concentrate in implants, but lets look at the whole lot....

    Actually ... I love to see land mines and breast implants together ... they render similar feelings
    in me ...

    I heard once that Honeywell both made landmines and profitted from clearing them. Anyone know
    about that?

    Both implants and landmines can explode at any time ...

    Both are big business ... puttin' them in and taking them out ...

    Both do immeasurable harm ...

    And neither has anything to do with alternative health, Iloonie, you toad.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  5. "Ilena" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Even if lie detectors did work...

    The honest person with out a doubt is being replaced by the better liar!

    "Good night Austin Texas where ever you are" (Zappa)

    RR

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