TENS and diabetes--Scenar

TENS Units are anything but new. Some are made here in Iowa in the same place some glucose testing
units are made. We use a large number of them in the clinic for many applications. They can be
purchased for less than $50.00 with contacts to be used at home. If you want to know what the best
stimulators are just email me. But, please keep your virus at home.

BL 1204 said:

There is a relatively new device on the market that treats pain, which is purportedly several
times more effective than a TENS machine. My local newspaper had three articles about it recently,
and I thought the group might be interested--

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This is about Dr. Jerry Tennant's device, which is made in the USA but with Russian technology,
and he is running studies on it for macular degeneration-- probably direct stimulation over the
eye. Plus he uses it for pain management. I believe he is located in the Dallas metropolitan area.

In addition to that device there are other Scenars that are available for purchase that are
offered in Europe or Russia-- these are of varying quality, I understand, some high quality, some
perhaps not manufactered as well as others. There are also varying price ranges.

Dr. Tennant is aimed for the high end market, although there are probably ways to get the device
cheaper. One could either go to a Scenar practitioner or buy one's own and learn to use it.

I don't have one, and needless to say I am not making money off them. I will say that I know
people that swear by these things (for what it is worth).

Here is a study for regular TENS and blood flow in the feet of people with diabetes (keep in mind
this is with regular TENS, not a Scenar)

ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgiOpen ↗
uids=9334912&dopt=Abstract

For the Skenar (spelled differently but the same-- self controlled energy neuroadaptive regulator)
I could find only three MEDLINE studies in Russian, none having to do with diabetes.

BL

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the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there's a reflected wave back."
Ralph Abraham

"I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

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TENS Units are anything but new.

There is a relatively new device on the market that treats pain, which is purportedly several times
more effective than a TENS machine.

Where does it say the new machine is a TENS machine??

Some are made here in Iowa in the same

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place some glucose testing units are made. We use a large number of them in the clinic for many
applications. They can be purchased for less than $50.00 with contacts to be used at

home.

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If you want to know what the best stimulators are just email me. But, please keep your virus
at home.

Beav

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TENS Units are anything but new.

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There is a relatively new device on the market that treats pain, which is purportedly several
times more effective than a TENS machine.

Where does it say the new machine is a TENS machine??

Hehehehe! You took the words right out of my mouth!

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Where does it say the new machine is a TENS machine??

Hehehehe! You took the words right out of my mouth!

Electrical stimulation has been used for many years. It is used to exercise muscles or to
deaden pain.

A lot of commercial units are around. It is recommend for use by an expert.

Now I see TV ads for units with great claims. I suggest you find a doc that has experience in the
use of any such device From my safety classes I think it takes only a few milliamps to stop your
heart when the current passes the correct path. I would get a qualified person that uses the proper
equipment. I had a few sessions in the early 80's and the doc had emergency equipment on hand.

I once was called because students engaged in some studies that were deliberately shocked complained
about the shocks . The equipment kludge being used had the potential to kill. It was shut down and a
qualified person redesigned the equipment, Be careful. Guy

Suggest you go to the site or send me an email for further info on TENS Units

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TENS Units are anything but new.

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There is a relatively new device on the market that treats pain, which is purportedly several
times more effective than a TENS machine.

Where does it say the new machine is a TENS machine??

Hehehehe! You took the words right out of my mouth!

Small 9 volt TENS Units won't kill anyone. We have used them for years with not one untoward event.

Guy said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Where does it say the new machine is a TENS machine??

Hehehehe! You took the words right out of my mouth!

Electrical stimulation has been used for many years. It is used to exercise muscles or to
deaden pain.

A lot of commercial units are around. It is recommend for use by an expert.

Now I see TV ads for units with great claims. I suggest you find a doc that has experience in
the use of any such device From my safety classes I think it takes only a few milliamps to stop
your heart when the current passes the correct path. I would get a qualified person that uses
the proper equipment. I had a few sessions in the early 80's and the doc had emergency equipment
on hand.

I once was called because students engaged in some studies that were deliberately shocked
complained about the shocks . The equipment kludge being used had the potential to kill. It was
shut down and a qualified person redesigned the equipment, Be careful. Guy

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Suggest you go to the site or send me an email for further info on TENS Units

talking about a TENS device, he was talking about a machine which is

btw, get any bounced E-mails?

Beav

Hi My name is Umesh I am based in the UK, l am currently doing research on the Scenar device. You
mentioned in your post that you could access 3 Russian studies from Medline. I would appreciate it
very much if you could email me or give me the links to these. Please be free to ask any questions.
Thanks Umesh

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Quoted message said:

There is a relatively new device on the market that treats pain, which is purportedly several
times more effective than a TENS machine. My local newspaper had three articles about it recently,
and I thought the group might be interested--

gomemphis.com0,1426,MCA 522 256Open ↗ 9174,00.html

gomemphis.com0,1426,MCA 522 256Open ↗ 9159,00.html

gomemphis.com0,1426,MCA 522 256Open ↗ 9176,00.html

This is about Dr. Jerry Tennant's device, which is made in the USA but with Russian technology,
and he is running studies on it for macular degeneration-- probably direct stimulation over the
eye. Plus he uses it for pain management. I believe he is located in the Dallas metropolitan area.

In addition to that device there are other Scenars that are available for purchase that are
offered in Europe or Russia-- these are of varying quality, I understand, some high quality, some
perhaps not manufactered as well as others. There are also varying price ranges.

Dr. Tennant is aimed for the high end market, although there are probably ways to get the device
cheaper. One could either go to a Scenar practitioner or buy one's own and learn to use it.

I don't have one, and needless to say I am not making money off them. I will say that I know
people that swear by these things (for what it is worth).

Here is a study for regular TENS and blood flow in the feet of people with diabetes (keep in mind
this is with regular TENS, not a Scenar)

ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgiOpen ↗
uids=9334912&dopt=Abstract

For the Skenar (spelled differently but the same-- self controlled energy neuroadaptive regulator)
I could find only three MEDLINE studies in Russian, none having to do with diabetes.

BL

"As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of the rock within
the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there's a reflected wave back."
Ralph Abraham

"I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

Go to

ncbi.nlm.nih.govquery.fcgiOpen ↗

and type in Scenar

and three studies pop up.

then type in Skenar

and one study comes up.

Of course, they just have the English abstracts, not the Russian language studies. This device is
used quite a bit in Russia but there have been relatively few published studies, it seems.

Currently there is a study on macular degeneration in the Dallas area.

I would be interested to know if it might help diabetic retinopathy.

BL

"As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of the rock within the wave
that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

"I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL