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Jim Flom j said:

Mozilla test number 1

Hi, I just started using a news server and am using
Netscapee's newsreader. Can anyone recommend a better [free]
newsreader? I would like more flexibility with the threads
and messages. For example, I'd like a way to remove or
delete threads that I have no interest in.

Life is Good! Jeff

Jeff Starr said:

Hi, I just started using a news server and am using
Netscapee's newsreader. Can anyone recommend a better
[free] newsreader? I would like more flexibility with the
threads and messages. For example, I'd like a way to
remove or delete threads that I have no interest in.

Been using Thunderbird [standalone Mozilla mail/groups
client] for email, myself, and seeing your message, I
decided to give it a try. I can't figure out how to delete
messages at all, except dragging them into a trash folder
elsewhere.

However, ignoring a thread would suffice for threads in
which you're not at all interested. Else, you can mark the
whole thread as read, and view only unread messages.

I usually use Agent for my newsreader.
--
Rick "Using an obsolete version of Thunderbird anyway" Onanian

Jeff Starr said:

Hi, I just started using a news server and am using
Netscapee's newsreader. Can anyone recommend a better
[free] newsreader? I would like more flexibility with the
threads and messages. For example, I'd like a way to
remove or delete threads that I have no interest in.

If you want the ULTIMATE in control and flexibility, Xnews
can't be beat. xnews.newsguy.comxnews.newsguy.comOpen ↗ You will however
spend a lot of time learning how to use it. Here is a recent
post by an Xnews user explaining some of the things he does
with it. Check the bit about scoring, it gives you great
control over what you see and highlight and kill.

Subject: Re: Agent-XNews Wars Heat Up! -- Film At 11 From:
Tech Zero <[email hidden]> Newsgroups:
alt.binaries.vcd.d User-Agent: Xnews/06.01.10

The voice of "Dr. Mercury" drifted in on the cyber-winds,
from the sea of virtual chaos...

Quoted message said:

sittingduck spam.to.sitting- said:

Dr. Mercury said:

As I recall, the only thing it offered over Agent was
the multi-server ability. Was there anything else?

Let the contest begin!

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The interface is extremely flexible.

I would also call Agent's interface "extremely flexible".
You can arrange the tool bar any way you want, including
creating your own buttons from this mega-list of
functions, and you can have the layout (subject box,
message box, group box) any way you want them. Fonts can
be proportional or non. There are boxes, like the one with
the Followup-To and sig file selections, which snap closed
when not required, leaving more window space for the other
boxes. All in all, I'd say it's very well thought out.

Tool bars? Yep, Xnews can do that. Custom Buttons? Yes
again... {From my Xnews.ini}

[ToolBars] A1=-,bShowAllHeaders,bFixedFont,bRaw,bWrap,bArchive,-
lowUp,bMail,bRef,bPrevTh,bNextTh,bPrevUnread,bNextUnread,-
A2=bCatchUp,bStop,bDecode,bRefresh,bArchive,bSend,bEdit,b-
Storage E1=bEdit,-,u1,-,u2,-,bUndo,-,bSave,-,bSend,-,bStop

[UserButtons] u1=aceRewrapJoin|C:\Program
Files\xnews\reformat.ico|Reformat u2=aceROT13|C:\Program
Files\xnews\rot13.ico|ROT-13

Fonts? Yep, we've got those too... And you can set
their colors:

dragonfur.caDisplay.gifOpen ↗

Fancy, "auto hiding" boxes? Well, I can set Xnews to just
display the headers I want to see, hiding those headers that
aren't present. IS that what you mean?

[Display] VisibleHeaders=poster,message-id,nntp-posting-
host,from,reply- to,newsgroups,followup-to,user-agent,x-newsreader,x-
mailer

But it's not like you need to "collapse things" with Xnews'
interface:

Full Headers: dragonfur.caXnVert2.jpgOpen ↗
Less Headers: dragonfur.caXnVert1.jpgOpen ↗
Herz-Split: dragonfur.caXnHerz.pngOpen ↗
Editor: dragonfur.caXnEditer.jpgOpen ↗
Subscribed: dragonfur.caXnSubscrib.jpgOpen ↗

Yes... You do need to get your Hands Dirty and edit a
few "INI" files, but they are only simple text files
after all. }:8P

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It also uses an IDToken to automatically high score
replies to your own posts. Scoring is very easy to use
with right-click and "Add to Score File".

Assuming you mean marking off threads, you can (M)ark
threads for later retrieval in Agent, (I)gnore threads,
(K)eep threads so they don't get accidentally deleted, and
(W)atch threads, which I gather is like your 'scoring'.
Usually, we just use the term 'scoring' for sports events.
And girls. 🙂

And with more complex Regex scoring, available on *ANY
HEADER*, Xnews you can control exactly what you see, hide,
or kill... (Scored & then filtered by Score)

dragonfur.caColorTags.gifOpen ↗

Most of the time you only need to create an entry once, and
it will happly sit in their for an eternity scoring what you
told it to.

Quoted message said:

later on, but first I'd like to ask you a few questions
about XNews, having never used it, myself:

1. Does it do Boolean searches? Search for {this} and
{that}? This is only about a hundred times more
powerful than the old UNIX asterisk 'wild card'
search.

Searches where?

Within the article list you can use any Regex string search
the Subject or From headers (the quick search box). In any
Archive folder you can use "Find"(F2) to search the bodied
of the messages within that folder.

And you can also do an XPAT search on the server to return
articles of "specific interest".

Quoted message said:

2. Does it have a Global Search that can search for
keywords in every message it's downloaded? This is,
obviously, extremely handy when trying to dig up some
important message you read two weeks before.

No... But it only takes seconds to find thing if you "marked
it", or remember a bit about the subject (Quick Score Box).

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3. Do the filters have priorities? This is elemental for
proper filter usage.

Scores are added/set from the top down, and can be set "per
group(s)".

So, I'd say that it's at least "highly probable" (others
may differ).

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4. Can the filters be made to work in just one group or
globally with the check of a gadget box? Ditto
turning them on and off?

Why? Two more seconds and far more control when editing
then directly.

Examples: dragonfur.cascore.ini.txtOpen ↗

Can Agent set a score to apply to just all
"alt.binaries.*.d" groups, or just "specific groups" with a
single entry?

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5. When you're typing a message, are you looking at a
full-screen editor, or are you typing scrunched down
in some box? Agent nicely opens a whole new window,
giving you lots of elbow room.

New window, and Full Screen with F12...

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6. Can you direct different binary groups to download to
certain folders, or is the 'downloads' folder global
for all groups?

Yes. {From the history files}

% Lots of other entries...

[~(binaries|^Que_)]
% text groups stop here

[\.(d|requests)$] OnLoaded=acvWordWrap+,acvShowGe0Score,a-
cvShowThNew,!,acvRemoveFilter,acvSho wThUnread
AltServers=Newscene Archive=Media SortOn=Score SortOrder=-
1 PostTo=Telus

[.*] PostTo=Telus MultiPartThreading=1 ColumnLayout=2
FullScreen=1 SortOn=Subject SortOrder=1 continue=1

[media|movie|video]
OnLoaded=acvShowGe0Score,acvShowThUnread
AltServers=Telus|Euro|Astra|Newscene|BigGulp
AttachDir=D:\Downloads\Movies
DecodeDir=D:\Downloads\Movies Archive=Garbage

[sound|music|mp3] OnLoaded=acvShowGe0Score,acvShowThUnread
AltServers=Telus|Nanites|Euro|Korea|BigGulp
AttachDir=D:\Downloads\Music DecodeDir=D:\Downloads\Music
Archive=Garbage

[anime|toon|comic] OnLoaded=acvShowGe0Score,acvWordWrap-
AttachDir=D:\Downloads\Graphics\Anime
DecodeDir=D:\Downloads\Graphics\Comics Queue=Que_Toons

[furry|dragon|disney] OnLoaded=acvShowGe0Score,acvWordWrap-
AttachDir=D:\Downloads\Graphics\Furry
DecodeDir=D:\Downloads\Graphics\Furry Queue=Que_Furry

[picture] OnLoaded=acvWordWrap-
AttachDir=D:\Downloads\Graphics
DecodeDir=D:\Downloads\Graphics

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7. Is it possible to flip back and forth, viewing the
files by either segments or by whole Rar parts?

Xnews (selectively)* threads it's binaries, so seeing an
individual segment is as simple as expanding a thread.

* That's what "MultiPartThreading=1" was for in my
Groups.ini.

Quoted message said:

8. Does it have a 'Compact databases' feature, or do
things just kind of bloat-out forever?

Compact Address? I don't follow you there?

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9. Does it let you view all types of common files right
there from the newsreader, like NFO, TXT, JPG, GIF,
etc?

That depends on how it's encoded...

Generally all text-based types are displayed inline, but
only single part JPGs are displayed within Xnews. But Xnews
does have the function to automatically call an external
program to view em (set by extension).

Whether that's a weakness or not is debatable... Some people
like to use discreet programs; those that are designed to
perform certain tasks better than any built in function.

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10. Does it utilize the Message ID number? Like, you double-
click on a MID and it takes you to the message? Ditto
Web site links?

Both. They're not _Underlined_, but anything that looks like
a "clickable" link functions as such...

If you click on a MID anywhere in the message (including the
headers), Xnews will search for that MID on that server, and
then on any other servers you've set, and then Google if
your server(s) don't have it.

There are limits... MID's look like email links without
their brackets, and you need to use "Edit URL" to fix broken
multi-line URLs. But everything works.

--
The Tech Zero, Maxx "What's That Score" Pollare...

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7/8/2004
8:23 PM [GMT-8]

Jim Flom j said:

Mozilla test number 1

How about using a test group for testing?

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7/8/2004
8:27 PM [GMT-8]

sittingduck said:

How about using a test group for testing?

No, I'm pretty sure test groups are for politics and
marketing.

Tests should be in bicycle groups. Bicycle discussions
should be in automotive newsgroups. Auto stuff should be in
camping newsgroups. Camping stuff should be in jock itch
newsgroups. Jock itch questions should be in politics
newsgroups. And, as I said before, politics...
--
Rick "Isn't that easy?" Onanian

Jeff Starr said:

Jim Flom j said:

Mozilla test number 1

Hi, I just started using a news server and am using
Netscapee's newsreader. Can anyone recommend a better
[free] newsreader? I would like more flexibility with the
threads and messages. For example, I'd like a way to
remove or delete threads that I have no interest in.

Multi-threaded NewsWatcher is free, and it works well.

<http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/>

--
Ted Bennett Portland OR

Ted Bennett said:

Jeff Starr said:

Jim Flom j said:

Mozilla test number 1

Hi, I just started using a news server and am using
Netscapee's newsreader. Can anyone recommend a better
[free] newsreader? I would like more flexibility with the
threads and messages. For example, I'd like a way to
remove or delete threads that I have no interest in.

Multi-threaded NewsWatcher is free, and it works well.

<http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/>

I'll second that. I used MT-NW for years in Mac OS 8, 9 and
X and always found it reliable and useful. Now I use
Emacs/Gnus, but I really wouldn't recommend those to just
anybody- you need some computer geekness to make a go of
it. The learning curve is steep, although the combination
of a powerful text editor and powerful NNTP and mail client
is really very good. Emacs/Gnus runs on many platforms- all
flavors of Unix, there are versions for Windows, Mac
Carbon, etc.

Tim McNamara said:

Ted Bennett said:

Jeff Starr said:

Jim Flom j wrote:
> Mozilla test number 1

Hi, I just started using a news server and am using
Netscapee's newsreader. Can anyone recommend a better
[free] newsreader? I would like more flexibility with
the threads and messages. For example, I'd like a way to
remove or delete threads that I have no interest in.

Multi-threaded NewsWatcher is free, and it works well.

<http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/>

I'll second that. I used MT-NW for years in Mac OS 8, 9 and
X and always found it reliable and useful. Now I use
Emacs/Gnus, but I really wouldn't recommend those to just
anybody- you need some computer geekness to make a go of
it. The learning curve is steep, although the combination
of a powerful text editor and powerful NNTP and mail client
is really very good. Emacs/Gnus runs on many platforms- all
flavors of Unix, there are versions for Windows, Mac
Carbon, etc.

Hi, I'm running Windows. My buddy recommended Agent and I am
using the "Free Agent" version, now. I briefly tried the
full version of Agent and it is more flexible. Even Free
Agent seems better than the Netscape version. But, then
until a few days ago, I never used a newsreader. I was doing
all my reading and posting from the online site. It took all
day for a message to show up. So, my opinions on newsreaders
are based on very limited experience.

Life is Good! Jeff

"Tim McNamara" wrote...

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I'll second that. I used MT-NW for years in Mac OS 8, 9
and X and always found it reliable and useful. Now I use
Emacs/Gnus, but I really wouldn't recommend those to just
anybody- you need some computer geekness to make a go of
it. The learning curve is steep,

I'm too impatient and lazy for that. I want something easy
to learn, easy on the eyes, and probably some other computer
things about security that I don't know enough to
articulate.

JF