Thanks Joyce

LuvDaVols said:

So, if I'm reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8 or
9 points throughout the day - then the balance for dinner
and evening snacks? I think you need to balance those
points out a bit better to make sure you are eating enough.
Maybe you could post a few journals here and let us have a
go at them. Just make sure you have everything accounted
for when posting! You might also be falling into the
serving size trap ... such as *one chicken breast* for
dinner ... yet all chicken breasts are not the same size. 3
oz breasts are very difficult to find, I've discovered
that's usually about half a piece of what I purchase in the
stores. The same with a small potato. Resaurant potatoes
are not small - usually about 8 ounces or more - which is
going to be more than one standard serving size (unless you
only eat half of it). I am ashamed to admit it, but I take
my SCALE with me to the restaurant. I have this huge tote,
so I carry my scale, my butter spray, and my salad
dressing. Now y'all will think I'm crazy. Isn't my husband
wonderful not to be embarrassed by that?

Don't be ashamed to admit that at all, I think it's
wonderful that you have the confidence to do that and that
your hub doesn't mind at all! It's really the only way you
will have any idea on portion sizes. I found after a few
weeks I did have a pretty good grasp on estimating when I
was in a situation where I had to ... but I always felt much
better knowing exactly what I was eating.

Quoted message said:

The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't over
estimating those activity points (a trap many people fall
into). Exercise does burn off calories, but they don't fall
off in large quantities. I've been working on the treadmill
twice daily lately (don't ask, I'm humoring hubby - lol)
... 35 minutes in the morning, 25 in the evening - all at
4MPH or a tad over. Yet I figure it only gets me 4 or 5
activity points (100 calories burned = 1 AP).

I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-31. I
don't use Flex Points either.

Hmmmmmm, that could be your problem right there ... not
eating enough, putting your body into a slower losing zone
as it thinks you are trying to starve it. Your body is a
wonderful machine, it will do everything possible to keep
itself going. You eat too little, it will burn even less off
in a valiant attempt to continue existing. I know it's hard
to get into that mode of thinking.

Then again ... If I read the above statement correctly, I am
very confused. You can't really have a point RANGE and use
flexpoints. If you use the 26-31 range, then you have to
bank extra points or work from a negative balance if eating
over your allowed range. If using flexpoints, then you have
a firm one number target ... probably 28 based on the range
you specify. So ... if you are using the range, get the
flexpoints right out of your mind or you can possibly eat
too much. Vary where in that range you are eating daily
(shake things up a bit, eat very high one day ... higher
than your range, then lower on another day, mid-range on
another day) - much like the wendy system. It will keep your
metabolism guessing at what you are trying to accomplish,
keep it from moving into the starvation mode.

Quoted message said:

Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good. It
appears you are just under 1 pound per week, might appear
to be slow but it still is a loss. It could take your
system quite some time to get back into the swing of losing
if you have done a lot of yoyoing in the past ... it does
screw up your metabolism.

Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.

I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear I am
NOT quitting!! I just figured that someone who is only 5'
tall and weighs 228 pounds would lose more to start with.
But, like you said, it's 8 pounds I didn't gain, so I
should be happy.

Guess there is really no standard we can lump everyone into,
our bodies seem to want to do their own thing. It is good to
continue to look at your current situation and evaluate what
you are doing, and try to make changes accordingly ... if
needed. Trying new ideas isn't bad, worse thing that can
happen is they won't work and you end up going back to the
old routine.

Joyce

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I am 5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty steady, My biggest
issue I think = is that my body was in starvation mode. I
didn't have the big first = week loss that many do either. I
have been doing this for 73 weeks and = have lost 70 since
on WW. I don't care as I was gaining about two = pounds a
month so if I figure that out I am pleased, good luck, and
oh = yeah, I was just talking to DH about taking my scale as
I ate a piece of = polish sausage that I figured would be
one point and it was three. He = laughed and said whatever
you want but I think the world will end if you = start
carrying a purse, Lee LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote
in message = "]news:[email hidden]... So,
if I'm reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8 or 9
points = throughout the day - then the balance for dinner
and evening snacks? I = think you need to balance those
points out a bit better to make sure you are eating =
enough. Maybe you could post a few journals here and let us
have a go = at them. Just make sure you have everything
accounted for when posting! You might also be = falling into
the serving size trap ... such as *one chicken breast* for =
dinner ... yet all chicken breasts are not the same size. 3
oz breasts are very = difficult to find, I've discovered
that's usually about half a piece of what I purchase = in
the stores. The same with a small potato. Resaurant potatoes
are not = small - usually about 8 ounces or more - which is
going to be more than one standard = serving size (unless
you only eat half of it). =20 I am ashamed to admit it, but
I take my SCALE with me to the = restaurant. I have this
huge tote, so I carry my scale, my butter spray, = and my
salad dressing. Now y'all will think I'm crazy. Isn't my
husband = wonderful not to be embarrassed by that?
=20
The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't over
estimating those activity points (a trap many people fall
= into). Exercise does burn off calories, but they don't
fall off in large = quantities. I've been working on the
treadmill twice daily lately (don't ask, I'm = humoring
hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the morning, 25 in the
evening - all at = 4MPH or a tad over. Yet I figure it
only gets me 4 or 5 activity points (100 = calories burned
=3D 1 AP).
=20
I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-31. I
don't use = Flex Points either.

Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good. It
appears you = are just under 1 pound per week, might
appear to be slow but it still is a = loss. It could take
your system quite some time to get back into the swing of
losing = if you have done a lot of yoyoing in the past ...
it does screw up your = metabolism.

Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great. =20
=20
I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear I am
NOT = quitting!! I just figured that someone who is only
5' tall and weighs = 228 pounds would lose more to start
with. But, like you said, it's 8 = pounds I didn't gain,
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I guess I just need to give in and re-join the meetings. I thought I could
do it on my own, with just my pointsfinder and my treadmill, but obviously
not. When I think I'm doing well, it turns out I'm not, and vice - versa.
However, I am DETERMINED to succeed this time and will do whatever it takes,
even if it means paying money for something my sister does for free. She
supports me, weighs me, and holds me accountable. Maybe I should pay HER!
LOL
"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:04:06 -0600, "LuvDaVols"
<[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, if I'm reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8
or 9 points

throughout the day - then the balance for dinner and evening
snacks? I think you need to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

balance those points out a bit better to make sure you
are eating enough.

Maybe you could post a few journals here and let us have a
go at them. Just make sure

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you have everything accounted for when posting! You might
also be

falling into the serving size trap ... such as *one chicken
breast* for dinner ... yet all

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

chicken breasts are not the same size. 3 oz breasts are
very difficult

to find,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've discovered that's usually about half a piece of what
I purchase in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

stores. The same with a small potato. Resaurant potatoes
are not

small - usually

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

about 8 ounces or more - which is going to be more than
one standard

serving size

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(unless you only eat half of it). I am ashamed to admit
it, but I take my SCALE with me to the restaurant.

I have this huge tote, so I carry my scale, my butter spray,
and my salad dressing. Now y'all will think I'm crazy. Isn't
my husband wonderful not to be embarrassed by that?

Quoted message said:

Don't be ashamed to admit that at all, I think it's
wonderful that you

have the

Quoted message said:

confidence to do that and that your hub doesn't mind at
all! It's really

the only

Quoted message said:

way you will have any idea on portion sizes. I found after
a few weeks I

did have

Quoted message said:

a pretty good grasp on estimating when I was in a
situation where I had to

... but

Quoted message said:

I always felt much better knowing exactly what I was
eating.

Quoted message said:

The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't over
estimating those activity points (a trap many people fall

into).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Exercise does burn off calories, but they don't fall off
in large

quantities.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've been working on the treadmill twice daily lately
(don't ask, I'm

humoring

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the morning, 25 in the
evening - all at

4MPH or a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

tad over. Yet I figure it only gets me 4 or 5 activity
points (100

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

burned = 1 AP).

I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-31. I
don't use Flex

Points either.

Quoted message said:

Hmmmmmm, that could be your problem right there ... not
eating enough,

putting

Quoted message said:

your body into a slower losing zone as it thinks you are
trying to starve

it.

Quoted message said:

Your body is a wonderful machine, it will do everything
possible to keep

itself

Quoted message said:

going. You eat too little, it will burn even less off in
a valiant

attempt to

Quoted message said:

continue existing. I know it's hard to get into that mode
of thinking.

Then again ... If I read the above statement correctly,
I am very

confused. You

Quoted message said:

can't really have a point RANGE and use flexpoints. If you
use the 26-31

range,

Quoted message said:

then you have to bank extra points or work from a negative
balance if

eating over

Quoted message said:

your allowed range. If using flexpoints, then you have a
firm one number

target

Quoted message said:

... probably 28 based on the range you specify. So ... if
you are using

the

Quoted message said:

range, get the flexpoints right out of your mind or you
can possibly eat

too much.

Quoted message said:

Vary where in that range you are eating daily (shake
things up a bit, eat

very

Quoted message said:

high one day ... higher than your range, then lower on
another day,

mid-range on

Quoted message said:

another day) - much like the wendy system. It will keep
your metabolism

guessing

Quoted message said:

at what you are trying to accomplish, keep it from moving
into the

starvation

Quoted message said:

mode.

Quoted message said:

Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good. It
appears you are

just

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

under 1 pound per week, might appear to be slow but it
still is a loss.

It could

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

take your system quite some time to get back into the
swing of losing if

you have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

done a lot of yoyoing in the past ... it does screw up
your metabolism.

Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.

I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear I
am NOT quitting!!

I just figured that someone who is only 5' tall and weighs
228 pounds would lose more to start with. But, like you
said, it's 8 pounds I didn't gain, so I should be happy.

Quoted message said:

Guess there is really no standard we can lump everyone
into, our bodies

seem to

Quoted message said:

want to do their own thing. It is good to continue to
look at your

current

Quoted message said:

situation and evaluate what you are doing, and try to
make changes

accordingly ...

Quoted message said:

if needed. Trying new ideas isn't bad, worse thing that
can happen is

they won't

Quoted message said:

work and you end up going back to the old routine.

Joyce

I never realised how important weighing everything is until
this thread. I frequently buy already cooked chicken
breasts. The package says 4oz 150 cal without skin. When I
defrosted it and pulled all of the meat off of the bone it
was more like 6oz. I don't carry a purse very often but I
might buy a small scale to keep in my purse for those times
I eat out. I've seen one at the supermarket in their kitchen
supply section that is only about 5" high. Small enough to
stash in my purse or briefcase.

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]... I am
5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty steady, My biggest issue I
think is that my body was in starvation mode. I didn't have
the big first week loss that many do either. I have been
doing this for 73 weeks and have lost 70 since on WW. I
don't care as I was gaining about two pounds a month so if I
figure that out I am pleased, good luck, and oh yeah, I was
just talking to DH about taking my scale as I ate a piece of
polish sausage that I figured would be one point and it was
three. He laughed and said whatever you want but I think the
world will end if you start carrying a purse, Lee

LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]... So, if I'm
reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8 or 9 points
throughout the day - then the balance for dinner and
evening snacks? I think you need to balance those points
out a bit better to make sure you are eating enough. Maybe
you could post a few journals here and let us have a go at
them. Just make sure you have everything accounted for
when posting! You might also be falling into the serving
size trap ... such as *one chicken breast* for dinner ...
yet all chicken breasts are not the same size. 3 oz
breasts are very difficult to find, I've discovered that's
usually about half a piece of what I purchase in the
stores. The same with a small potato. Resaurant potatoes
are not small - usually about 8 ounces or more - which is
going to be more than one standard serving size (unless
you only eat half of it). I am ashamed to admit it, but I
take my SCALE with me to the restaurant. I have this huge
tote, so I carry my scale, my butter spray, and my salad
dressing. Now y'all will think I'm crazy. Isn't my husband
wonderful not to be embarrassed by that?

The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't over
estimating those activity points (a trap many people
fall into). Exercise does burn off calories, but they
don't fall off in large quantities. I've been working on
the treadmill twice daily lately (don't ask, I'm
humoring hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the morning, 25
in the evening - all at 4MPH or a tad over. Yet I figure
it only gets me 4 or 5 activity points (100 calories
burned = 1 AP).

I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-31. I
don't use Flex Points either.

Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good. It
appears you are just under 1 pound per week, might appear
to be slow but it still is a loss. It could take your
system quite some time to get back into the swing of
losing if you have done a lot of yoyoing in the past ...
it does screw up your metabolism.

Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.

I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear I am
NOT quitting!! I just figured that someone who is only 5'
tall and weighs 228 pounds would lose more to start with.
But, like you said, it's 8 pounds I didn't gain, so I
should be happy.

LOL! Maybe you should consider paying your sister - see if
it works for you. Heck, anything is worth a try. <g>

Joyce

LuvDaVols said:

I guess I just need to give in and re-join the meetings. I
thought I could do it on my own, with just my pointsfinder
and my treadmill, but obviously not. When I think I'm doing
well, it turns out I'm not, and vice - versa. However, I am
DETERMINED to succeed this time and will do whatever it
takes, even if it means paying money for something my
sister does for free. She supports me, weighs me, and holds
me accountable. Maybe I should pay HER! LOL "Joyce"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:04:06 -0600, "LuvDaVols"
<[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, if I'm reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8
or 9 points

throughout the day - then the balance for dinner and
evening snacks? I think you need to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

balance those points out a bit better to make sure you
are eating enough.

Maybe you could post a few journals here and let us have a
go at them. Just make sure

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you have everything accounted for when posting! You
might also be

falling into the serving size trap ... such as *one chicken
breast* for dinner ... yet all

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

chicken breasts are not the same size. 3 oz breasts are
very difficult

to find,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've discovered that's usually about half a piece of
what I purchase in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

stores. The same with a small potato. Resaurant potatoes
are not

small - usually

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

about 8 ounces or more - which is going to be more than
one standard

serving size

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(unless you only eat half of it). I am ashamed to admit
it, but I take my SCALE with me to the restaurant.

I have this huge tote, so I carry my scale, my butter
spray, and my salad dressing. Now y'all will think I'm
crazy. Isn't my husband wonderful not to be
embarrassed by that?

Quoted message said:

Don't be ashamed to admit that at all, I think it's
wonderful that you

have the

Quoted message said:

confidence to do that and that your hub doesn't mind at
all! It's really

the only

Quoted message said:

way you will have any idea on portion sizes. I found
after a few weeks I

did have

Quoted message said:

a pretty good grasp on estimating when I was in a
situation where I had to

... but

Quoted message said:

I always felt much better knowing exactly what I was
eating.

Quoted message said:

The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't
over estimating those activity points (a trap many
people fall

into).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Exercise does burn off calories, but they don't fall off
in large

quantities.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've been working on the treadmill twice daily lately
(don't ask, I'm

humoring

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the morning, 25 in the
evening - all at

4MPH or a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

tad over. Yet I figure it only gets me 4 or 5 activity
points (100

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

burned = 1 AP).

I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-31. I
don't use Flex

Points either.

Quoted message said:

Hmmmmmm, that could be your problem right there ... not
eating enough,

putting

Quoted message said:

your body into a slower losing zone as it thinks you are
trying to starve

it.

Quoted message said:

Your body is a wonderful machine, it will do everything
possible to keep

itself

Quoted message said:

going. You eat too little, it will burn even less off in
a valiant

attempt to

Quoted message said:

continue existing. I know it's hard to get into that mode
of thinking.

Then again ... If I read the above statement correctly, I
am very

confused. You

Quoted message said:

can't really have a point RANGE and use flexpoints. If
you use the 26-31

range,

Quoted message said:

then you have to bank extra points or work from a
negative balance if

eating over

Quoted message said:

your allowed range. If using flexpoints, then you have a
firm one number

target

Quoted message said:

... probably 28 based on the range you specify. So ... if
you are using

the

Quoted message said:

range, get the flexpoints right out of your mind or you
can possibly eat

too much.

Quoted message said:

Vary where in that range you are eating daily (shake
things up a bit, eat

very

Quoted message said:

high one day ... higher than your range, then lower on
another day,

mid-range on

Quoted message said:

another day) - much like the wendy system. It will keep
your metabolism

guessing

Quoted message said:

at what you are trying to accomplish, keep it from moving
into the

starvation

Quoted message said:

mode.

Quoted message said:

Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good. It
appears you are

just

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

under 1 pound per week, might appear to be slow but it
still is a loss.

It could

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

take your system quite some time to get back into the
swing of losing if

you have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

done a lot of yoyoing in the past ... it does screw up
your metabolism.

Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.

I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear I
am NOT quitting!!

I just figured that someone who is only 5' tall and weighs
228 pounds would lose more to start with. But, like you
said, it's 8 pounds I didn't gain, so I should be happy.

Quoted message said:

Guess there is really no standard we can lump everyone
into, our bodies

seem to

Quoted message said:

want to do their own thing. It is good to continue to
look at your

current

Quoted message said:

situation and evaluate what you are doing, and try to
make changes

accordingly ...

Quoted message said:

if needed. Trying new ideas isn't bad, worse thing that
can happen is

they won't

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work and you end up going back to the old routine.

Joyce

good luck with what ever you decide. I found that I needed
the meetings to keep me motivated so I went back at the end
of January.

You can lose weight doing the program on your own, lots of
people in this ng will attest to that. It all depends on
what your needs are. If you need all the support you can get
try going to the meetings for a few months. At least this
way you have all of the materials they give out during weeks
1-12. After that decide whether you can keep losing without
the group.

"LuvDaVols" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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I guess I just need to give in and re-join the meetings. I
thought I could do it on my own, with just my pointsfinder
and my treadmill, but obviously not. When I think I'm
doing well, it turns out I'm not, and vice - versa.
However, I am DETERMINED to succeed this time and will do
whatever it

takes,

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even if it means paying money for something my sister does
for free. She supports me, weighs me, and holds me
accountable. Maybe I should pay HER! LOL "Joyce"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:04:06 -0600, "LuvDaVols"
<[email hidden]>

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So, if I'm reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE
8 or 9 points

throughout the day - then the balance for dinner and
evening snacks? I think you need to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

balance those points out a bit better to make sure you
are eating

enough.

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Maybe you could post a few journals here and let us have a
go at them.

Just

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make sure

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you have everything accounted for when posting! You
might also be

falling into the serving size trap ... such as *one
chicken breast* for dinner ... yet all

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

chicken breasts are not the same size. 3 oz breasts are
very difficult

to find,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've discovered that's usually about half a piece of
what I purchase in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

stores. The same with a small potato. Resaurant
potatoes are not

small - usually

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Quoted message said:

about 8 ounces or more - which is going to be more than
one standard

serving size

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(unless you only eat half of it). I am ashamed to admit
it, but I take my SCALE with me to the

restaurant.

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I have this huge tote, so I carry my scale, my butter
spray, and my salad dressing. Now y'all will think I'm
crazy. Isn't my husband wonderful not

to

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be embarrassed by that?

Quoted message said:

Don't be ashamed to admit that at all, I think it's
wonderful that you

have the

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confidence to do that and that your hub doesn't mind at
all! It's

really

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the only

Quoted message said:

way you will have any idea on portion sizes. I found
after a few weeks

I

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did have

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a pretty good grasp on estimating when I was in a
situation where I had

to

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... but

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I always felt much better knowing exactly what I was
eating.

Quoted message said:

The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't
over estimating those activity points (a trap many
people fall

into).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Exercise does burn off calories, but they don't fall
off in large

quantities.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've been working on the treadmill twice daily lately
(don't ask, I'm

humoring

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hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the morning, 25 in the
evening - all at

4MPH or a

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tad over. Yet I figure it only gets me 4 or 5 activity
points (100

calories

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

burned = 1 AP).

I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-31.
I don't use Flex

Points either.

Quoted message said:

Hmmmmmm, that could be your problem right there ... not
eating enough,

putting

Quoted message said:

your body into a slower losing zone as it thinks you are
trying to

starve

Quoted message said:

it.

Quoted message said:

Your body is a wonderful machine, it will do everything
possible to keep

itself

Quoted message said:

going. You eat too little, it will burn even less off in
a valiant

attempt to

Quoted message said:

continue existing. I know it's hard to get into that
mode of thinking.

Then again ... If I read the above statement correctly,
I am very

confused. You

Quoted message said:

can't really have a point RANGE and use flexpoints. If
you use the

26-31

Quoted message said:

range,

Quoted message said:

then you have to bank extra points or work from a
negative balance if

eating over

Quoted message said:

your allowed range. If using flexpoints, then you have a
firm one

number

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target

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... probably 28 based on the range you specify. So ...
if you are using

the

Quoted message said:

range, get the flexpoints right out of your mind or you
can possibly eat

too much.

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Vary where in that range you are eating daily (shake
things up a bit,

eat

Quoted message said:

very

Quoted message said:

high one day ... higher than your range, then lower on
another day,

mid-range on

Quoted message said:

another day) - much like the wendy system. It will keep
your metabolism

guessing

Quoted message said:

at what you are trying to accomplish, keep it from
moving into the

starvation

Quoted message said:

mode.

Quoted message said:

Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good. It
appears you

are

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just

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

under 1 pound per week, might appear to be slow but it
still is a loss.

It could

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

take your system quite some time to get back into the
swing of losing

if

Quoted message said:

you have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

done a lot of yoyoing in the past ... it does screw up
your metabolism.

Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.

I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear I
am NOT

quitting!!

Quoted message said:

I just figured that someone who is only 5' tall and weighs
228 pounds

would

Quoted message said:

lose more to start with. But, like you said, it's 8 pounds
I didn't gain,

so

Quoted message said:

I should be happy.

Quoted message said:

Guess there is really no standard we can lump everyone
into, our bodies

seem to

Quoted message said:

want to do their own thing. It is good to continue to
look at your

current

Quoted message said:

situation and evaluate what you are doing, and try to
make changes

accordingly ...

Quoted message said:

if needed. Trying new ideas isn't bad, worse thing that
can happen is

they won't

Quoted message said:

work and you end up going back to the old routine.

Joyce

if you find a small enough one, details like, where you got it, price and
size... and when you do compare with your home model so I can
maybe*SSSHHHUUUUDDDDEEEERRR* start with a purse and carrying it, Lee
Laura <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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I never realised how important weighing everything is
until this thread. I frequently buy already cooked chicken
breasts. The package says 4oz 150

cal

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without skin. When I defrosted it and pulled all of the
meat off of the

bone

Quoted message said:

it was more like 6oz. I don't carry a purse very often but
I might buy a small scale to keep in my purse for those
times I eat out. I've seen one

at

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the supermarket in their kitchen supply section that is
only about 5"

high.

Quoted message said:

Small enough to stash in my purse or briefcase.

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]... I am
5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty steady, My biggest issue
I think is that my body was in starvation mode. I didn't
have the big first week

loss

Quoted message said:

that many do either. I have been doing this for 73 weeks
and have lost 70 since on WW. I don't care as I was
gaining about two pounds a month so if

I

Quoted message said:

figure that out I am pleased, good luck, and oh yeah, I
was just talking

to

Quoted message said:

DH about taking my scale as I ate a piece of polish
sausage that I figured would be one point and it was
three. He laughed and said whatever you

want

Quoted message said:

but I think the world will end if you start carrying a
purse, Lee

LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]... So, if I'm
reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8 or 9
points throughout the day - then the balance for dinner
and evening snacks? I think you need to balance those
points out a bit better to make sure you are eating

enough.

Quoted message said:

Maybe you could post a few journals here and let us have a
go at them.

Just

Quoted message said:

make sure you have everything accounted for when posting!
You might also be

falling

Quoted message said:

into the serving size trap ... such as *one chicken
breast* for dinner ... yet all chicken breasts are not the
same size. 3 oz breasts are very difficult

to

Quoted message said:

find, I've discovered that's usually about half a piece of
what I purchase in the stores. The same with a small
potato. Resaurant potatoes are not

small -

Quoted message said:

usually about 8 ounces or more - which is going to be more
than one standard serving size (unless you only eat half
of it). I am ashamed to admit it, but I take my SCALE with
me to the restaurant.

I

Quoted message said:

have this huge tote, so I carry my scale, my butter spray,
and my salad dressing. Now y'all will think I'm crazy.
Isn't my husband wonderful not

to

Quoted message said:

be embarrassed by that?

The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't over
estimating those activity points (a trap many people
fall into). Exercise does burn off calories, but they
don't fall off in large quantities. I've been working on
the treadmill twice daily lately (don't ask, I'm
humoring hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the morning, 25
in the evening - all at 4MPH or a tad over. Yet I figure
it only gets me 4 or 5 activity points (100 calories
burned = 1 AP).

I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-31. I
don't use Flex Points either.

Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good. It
appears you are just under 1 pound per week, might
appear to be slow but it still is a loss. It could take
your system quite some time to get back into the swing
of losing if you have done a lot of yoyoing in the past
... it does screw up your metabolism.

Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.

I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear I
am NOT

quitting!!

Quoted message said:

I just figured that someone who is only 5' tall and weighs
228 pounds

would

Quoted message said:

lose more to start with. But, like you said, it's 8 pounds
I didn't gain,

so

Quoted message said:

I should be happy.

That has been one of my biggest gripes when looking at the
ww point booklets or using their website ... too easy to do
things incorrectly. Why give the choice of *1 chicken
breast* and then assign it a number such as 4 points. Not
every darned chicken breast is that size, in fact, very few
are. Yet I bet many people on the program never think about
it, figure that if ww says 1 breast is 4 points, then it
must be so ... regardless. You really do have to be careful
reading those nutritional labels. The package does give you
the correct information, then will say that this package
contains *various* in the number of servings it contains.
You also have to remember that on raw meats, that
information is for uncooked portions. When you cook it and
eat 4 ounces ... it is no longer the same caloric values. 4
ounces of cooked chicken is probably more like being
equivalent to 5.5 or 6 ounces raw. I usually figure 25% in
shrinkage factor, on most all meats and seafoods. I buy
boneless chicken breasts, get them in bulk when they are on
sale and repackage and freeze. The boneless breasts tend to
run close to 5 and 6 ounces each - they are huge!

If you really want to have some fun, weight your pieces of
fruit (apples, pears, oranges, etc.), weigh that baked
potato before you eat it. It can really open your eyes -
even though the items are better than eating half a dozen
cookies. I had a pear last week, that actually weighed in at
3 servings after being cored and sliced! I baked what I
thought was a normal size potato, on a whim I threw it on
the scale ... think it came out to about 8 ounces -
definitely more than ww considers 1 serving. I've gotten
pretty good at being able to eyeball things now, but have
been doing this for over 2 years.

Joyce

Laura said:

I never realised how important weighing everything is until
this thread. I frequently buy already cooked chicken
breasts. The package says 4oz 150 cal without skin. When I
defrosted it and pulled all of the meat off of the bone it
was more like 6oz. I don't carry a purse very often but I
might buy a small scale to keep in my purse for those times
I eat out. I've seen one at the supermarket in their
kitchen supply section that is only about 5" high. Small
enough to stash in my purse or briefcase.

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]... I am
5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty steady, My biggest issue
I think is that my body was in starvation mode. I didn't
have the big first week loss that many do either. I have
been doing this for 73 weeks and have lost 70 since on WW.
I don't care as I was gaining about two pounds a month so
if I figure that out I am pleased, good luck, and oh yeah,
I was just talking to DH about taking my scale as I ate a
piece of polish sausage that I figured would be one point
and it was three. He laughed and said whatever you want
but I think the world will end if you start carrying a
purse, Lee

LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]... So, if I'm
reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8 or 9 points
throughout the day - then the balance for dinner and
evening snacks? I think you need to balance those points
out a bit better to make sure you are eating enough.
Maybe you could post a few journals here and let us have
a go at them. Just make sure you have everything
accounted for when posting! You might also be falling
into the serving size trap ... such as *one chicken
breast* for dinner ... yet all chicken breasts are not
the same size. 3 oz breasts are very difficult to find,
I've discovered that's usually about half a piece of what
I purchase in the stores. The same with a small potato.
Resaurant potatoes are not small - usually about 8 ounces
or more - which is going to be more than one standard
serving size (unless you only eat half of it). I am
ashamed to admit it, but I take my SCALE with me to the
restaurant. I have this huge tote, so I carry my scale,
my butter spray, and my salad dressing. Now y'all will
think I'm crazy. Isn't my husband wonderful not to be
embarrassed by that?

The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't over
estimating those activity points (a trap many people
fall into). Exercise does burn off calories, but they
don't fall off in large quantities. I've been working on
the treadmill twice daily lately (don't ask, I'm
humoring hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the morning, 25
in the evening - all at 4MPH or a tad over. Yet I figure
it only gets me 4 or 5 activity points (100 calories
burned = 1 AP).

I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-31. I
don't use Flex Points either.

Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good. It
appears you are just under 1 pound per week, might appear
to be slow but it still is a loss. It could take your
system quite some time to get back into the swing of
losing if you have done a lot of yoyoing in the past ...
it does screw up your metabolism.

Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.

I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear I
am NOT quitting!! I just figured that someone who is only
5' tall and weighs 228 pounds would lose more to start
with. But, like you said, it's 8 pounds I didn't gain, so
I should be happy.

I need the meetings and that is that, I do what works for me, I admire those
who can do it alone or on line but I also realize I need meetings, and if
you do it is NOT giving in it is adjusting your situation to better
yourself, good luck, Lee
Laura <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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good luck with what ever you decide. I found that I needed
the meetings to keep me motivated so I went back at the
end of January.

You can lose weight doing the program on your own, lots of
people in this

ng

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will attest to that. It all depends on what your needs
are. If you need

all

Quoted message said:

the support you can get try going to the meetings for a
few months. At

least

Quoted message said:

this way you have all of the materials they give out
during weeks 1-12. After that decide whether you can keep
losing without the group.

"LuvDaVols" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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I guess I just need to give in and re-join the meetings.
I thought I

could

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Quoted message said:

do it on my own, with just my pointsfinder and my
treadmill, but

obviously

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Quoted message said:

not. When I think I'm doing well, it turns out I'm not,
and vice -

versa.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

However, I am DETERMINED to succeed this time and will
do whatever it

takes,

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even if it means paying money for something my sister
does for free. She supports me, weighs me, and holds me
accountable. Maybe I should pay

HER!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

LOL "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:04:06 -0600, "LuvDaVols"
<[email hidden]>

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>So, if I'm reading this right, you are consuming
>MAYBE 8 or 9 points

throughout the day - then the balance for dinner and
evening snacks? I think you need to

Quoted message said:

>balance those points out a bit better to make sure
>you are eating

enough.

Quoted message said:

Maybe you could post a few journals here and let us have
a go at them.

Just

Quoted message said:

make sure

Quoted message said:

>you have everything accounted for when posting! You
>might also be

falling into the serving size trap ... such as *one
chicken breast* for dinner ... yet all

Quoted message said:

>chicken breasts are not the same size. 3 oz breasts
>are very

difficult

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to find,

Quoted message said:

>I've discovered that's usually about half a piece of
>what I purchase

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

>stores. The same with a small potato. Resaurant
>potatoes are not

small - usually

Quoted message said:

>about 8 ounces or more - which is going to be more
>than one standard

serving size

Quoted message said:

>(unless you only eat half of it). I am ashamed to
>admit it, but I take my SCALE with me to the

restaurant.

Quoted message said:

I have this huge tote, so I carry my scale, my butter
spray, and my

salad

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

dressing. Now y'all will think I'm crazy. Isn't my
husband wonderful not

to

Quoted message said:

be embarrassed by that?

Quoted message said:

Don't be ashamed to admit that at all, I think it's
wonderful that you

have the

Quoted message said:

confidence to do that and that your hub doesn't mind
at all! It's

really

Quoted message said:

the only

Quoted message said:

way you will have any idea on portion sizes. I found
after a few

weeks

Quoted message said:

I

Quoted message said:

did have

Quoted message said:

a pretty good grasp on estimating when I was in a
situation where I

had

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

... but

Quoted message said:

I always felt much better knowing exactly what I was
eating.

>The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't
>over estimating those activity points (a trap many
>people fall

into).

Quoted message said:

>Exercise does burn off calories, but they don't fall
>off in large

quantities.

Quoted message said:

>I've been working on the treadmill twice daily lately
>(don't ask, I'm

humoring

Quoted message said:

>hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the morning, 25 in the
>evening - all

at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

4MPH or a

Quoted message said:

>tad over. Yet I figure it only gets me 4 or 5
>activity points (100

calories

Quoted message said:

>burned = 1 AP).
>
>I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-
>31. I don't use

Flex

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Points either.

Quoted message said:

Hmmmmmm, that could be your problem right there ...
not eating enough,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

putting

Quoted message said:

your body into a slower losing zone as it thinks you
are trying to

starve

Quoted message said:

it.

Quoted message said:

Your body is a wonderful machine, it will do
everything possible to

keep

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

itself

Quoted message said:

going. You eat too little, it will burn even less off
in a valiant

attempt to

Quoted message said:

continue existing. I know it's hard to get into that
mode of

thinking.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Then again ... If I read the above statement
correctly, I am very

confused. You

Quoted message said:

can't really have a point RANGE and use flexpoints. If
you use the

26-31

Quoted message said:

range,

Quoted message said:

then you have to bank extra points or work from a
negative balance if

eating over

Quoted message said:

your allowed range. If using flexpoints, then you have
a firm one

number

Quoted message said:

target

Quoted message said:

... probably 28 based on the range you specify. So ...
if you are

using

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

range, get the flexpoints right out of your mind or
you can possibly

eat

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

too much.

Quoted message said:

Vary where in that range you are eating daily (shake
things up a bit,

eat

Quoted message said:

very

Quoted message said:

high one day ... higher than your range, then lower on
another day,

mid-range on

Quoted message said:

another day) - much like the wendy system. It will
keep your

metabolism

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

guessing

Quoted message said:

at what you are trying to accomplish, keep it from
moving into the

starvation

Quoted message said:

mode.

>
>Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good.
>It appears you

are

Quoted message said:

just

Quoted message said:

>under 1 pound per week, might appear to be slow but
>it still is a

loss.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It could

Quoted message said:

>take your system quite some time to get back into the
>swing of losing

if

Quoted message said:

you have

Quoted message said:

>done a lot of yoyoing in the past ... it does screw
>up your

metabolism.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>
>Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.
>
>I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear
>I am NOT

quitting!!

Quoted message said:

I just figured that someone who is only 5' tall and
weighs 228 pounds

would

Quoted message said:

lose more to start with. But, like you said, it's 8
pounds I didn't

gain,

Quoted message said:

so

Quoted message said:

I should be happy.

Quoted message said:

Guess there is really no standard we can lump everyone
into, our

bodies

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

seem to

Quoted message said:

want to do their own thing. It is good to continue to
look at your

current

Quoted message said:

situation and evaluate what you are doing, and try to
make changes

accordingly ...

Quoted message said:

if needed. Trying new ideas isn't bad, worse thing
that can happen is

they won't

Quoted message said:

work and you end up going back to the old routine.

Joyce

DH and I just tried using the WW site recipe builder for the first time
yesterday, the values they had put the tamale pie we made at 11 points per
serving. It was 4 points when using the nutritional labels. I think that
they assign values so people feel they do not have to weigh things. This
theory works for those who have lots to lose but not if there is a smaller
amount to lose, Lee
Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

That has been one of my biggest gripes when looking at the
ww point

booklets or

Quoted message said:

using their website ... too easy to do things incorrectly.
Why give the

choice of

Quoted message said:

*1 chicken breast* and then assign it a number such as 4
points. Not

every darned

Quoted message said:

chicken breast is that size, in fact, very few are. Yet I
bet many people

on the

Quoted message said:

program never think about it, figure that if ww says 1
breast is 4 points,

then it

Quoted message said:

must be so ... regardless. You really do have to be
careful reading

those

Quoted message said:

nutritional labels. The package does give you the correct
information,

then will

Quoted message said:

say that this package contains *various* in the number of
servings it

contains.

Quoted message said:

You also have to remember that on raw meats, that
information is for

uncooked

Quoted message said:

portions. When you cook it and eat 4 ounces ... it is no
longer the same

caloric

Quoted message said:

values. 4 ounces of cooked chicken is probably more like
being equivalent

to 5.5

Quoted message said:

or 6 ounces raw. I usually figure 25% in shrinkage factor,
on most all

meats and

Quoted message said:

seafoods. I buy boneless chicken breasts, get them in bulk
when they are

on sale

Quoted message said:

and repackage and freeze. The boneless breasts tend to run
close to 5 and

6

Quoted message said:

ounces each - they are huge!

If you really want to have some fun, weight your pieces of
fruit (apples,

pears,

Quoted message said:

oranges, etc.), weigh that baked potato before you eat it.
It can really

open

Quoted message said:

your eyes - even though the items are better than eating
half a dozen

cookies. I

Quoted message said:

had a pear last week, that actually weighed in at 3
servings after being

cored and

Quoted message said:

sliced! I baked what I thought was a normal size potato,
on a whim I

threw it on

Quoted message said:

the scale ... think it came out to about 8 ounces -
definitely more than

ww

Quoted message said:

considers 1 serving. I've gotten pretty good at being able
to eyeball

things now,

Quoted message said:

but have been doing this for over 2 years.

Joyce

Laura said:

I never realised how important weighing everything is
until this thread.

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

frequently buy already cooked chicken breasts. The
package says 4oz 150

cal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

without skin. When I defrosted it and pulled all of the
meat off of the

bone

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it was more like 6oz. I don't carry a purse very often
but I might buy a small scale to keep in my purse for
those times I eat out. I've seen one

at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the supermarket in their kitchen supply section that is
only about 5"

high.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Small enough to stash in my purse or briefcase.

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de... I am 5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty
steady, My biggest issue I think

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that my body was in starvation mode. I didn't have the
big first week

loss

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that many do either. I have been doing this for 73 weeks
and have lost

70

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

since on WW. I don't care as I was gaining about two
pounds a month so

if I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

figure that out I am pleased, good luck, and oh yeah, I
was just talking

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

DH about taking my scale as I ate a piece of polish
sausage that I

figured

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

would be one point and it was three. He laughed and said
whatever you

want

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but I think the world will end if you start carrying a
purse, Lee

LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]... So, if I'm
reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8 or 9
points throughout the day - then the balance for dinner
and evening snacks? I think you need to balance those
points out a bit better to make sure you are eating

enough.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe you could post a few journals here and let us have
a go at them.

Just

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

make sure you have everything accounted for when posting!
You might also be

falling

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

into the serving size trap ... such as *one chicken
breast* for dinner

...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

yet all chicken breasts are not the same size. 3 oz
breasts are very difficult

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

find, I've discovered that's usually about half a piece
of what I purchase in the stores. The same with a small
potato. Resaurant potatoes are not

small -

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

usually about 8 ounces or more - which is going to be
more than one standard serving size (unless you only eat
half of it). I am ashamed to admit it, but I take my
SCALE with me to the

restaurant. I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have this huge tote, so I carry my scale, my butter
spray, and my salad dressing. Now y'all will think I'm
crazy. Isn't my husband wonderful not

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be embarrassed by that?

The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't
over estimating those activity points (a trap many
people fall into). Exercise does burn off calories, but
they don't fall off in large quantities. I've been
working on the treadmill twice daily lately (don't ask,
I'm humoring hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the
morning, 25 in the evening - all at 4MPH or a tad over.
Yet I figure it only gets me 4 or 5 activity points
(100 calories burned = 1 AP).

I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-31.
I don't use Flex Points either.

Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good. It
appears you

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

just under 1 pound per week, might appear to be slow but
it still is a loss. It could take your system quite some
time to get back into the swing of losing

if

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you have done a lot of yoyoing in the past ... it does
screw up your metabolism.

Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.

I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear I
am NOT

quitting!!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I just figured that someone who is only 5' tall and
weighs 228 pounds

would

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

lose more to start with. But, like you said, it's 8
pounds I didn't gain,

so

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I should be happy.

Actually, the WW food book shows a baked potato (8oz cooked,
10 oz raw) is 3 points.

Same values for sweet's.

The chicken breast varies from 3.5 to 4 oz depending on
whether cooked with skin and/or bone. 3-5 points.

Joyce said:

That has been one of my biggest gripes when looking at the
ww point booklets or using their website ... too easy to do
things incorrectly. Why give the choice of *1 chicken
breast* and then assign it a number such as 4 points. Not
every darned chicken breast is that size, in fact, very few
are. Yet I bet many people on the program never think about
it, figure that if ww says 1 breast is 4 points, then it
must be so ... regardless. You really do have to be careful
reading those nutritional labels. The package does give you
the correct information, then will say that this package
contains *various* in the number of servings it contains.
You also have to remember that on raw meats, that
information is for uncooked portions. When you cook it and
eat 4 ounces ... it is no longer the same caloric values. 4
ounces of cooked chicken is probably more like being
equivalent to 5.5 or 6 ounces raw. I usually figure 25% in
shrinkage factor, on most all meats and seafoods. I buy
boneless chicken breasts, get them in bulk when they are on
sale and repackage and freeze. The boneless breasts tend to
run close to 5 and 6 ounces each - they are huge!

If you really want to have some fun, weight your pieces of
fruit (apples, pears, oranges, etc.), weigh that baked
potato before you eat it. It can really open your eyes -
even though the items are better than eating half a dozen
cookies. I had a pear last week, that actually weighed in
at 3 servings after being cored and sliced! I baked what I
thought was a normal size potato, on a whim I threw it on
the scale ... think it came out to about 8 ounces -
definitely more than ww considers 1 serving. I've gotten
pretty good at being able to eyeball things now, but have
been doing this for over 2 years.

Joyce

Laura said:

I never realised how important weighing everything is
until this thread. I frequently buy already cooked chicken
breasts. The package says 4oz 150 cal without skin. When I
defrosted it and pulled all of the meat off of the bone it
was more like 6oz. I don't carry a purse very often but I
might buy a small scale to keep in my purse for those
times I eat out. I've seen one at the supermarket in their
kitchen supply section that is only about 5" high. Small
enough to stash in my purse or briefcase.

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]... I am
5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty steady, My biggest issue
I think is that my body was in starvation mode. I didn't
have the big first week loss that many do either. I have
been doing this for 73 weeks and have lost 70 since on WW.
I don't care as I was gaining about two pounds a month so
if I figure that out I am pleased, good luck, and oh yeah,
I was just talking to DH about taking my scale as I ate a
piece of polish sausage that I figured would be one point
and it was three. He laughed and said whatever you want
but I think the world will end if you start carrying a
purse, Lee

LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]... So, if I'm
reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8 or 9
points throughout the day - then the balance for dinner
and evening snacks? I think you need to balance those
points out a bit better to make sure you are eating
enough. Maybe you could post a few journals here and let
us have a go at them. Just make sure you have everything
accounted for when posting! You might also be falling
into the serving size trap ... such as *one chicken
breast* for dinner ... yet all chicken breasts are not
the same size. 3 oz breasts are very difficult to find,
I've discovered that's usually about half a piece of
what I purchase in the stores. The same with a small
potato. Resaurant potatoes are not small - usually about
8 ounces or more - which is going to be more than one
standard serving size (unless you only eat half of it).
I am ashamed to admit it, but I take my SCALE with me to
the restaurant. I have this huge tote, so I carry my
scale, my butter spray, and my salad dressing. Now y'all
will think I'm crazy. Isn't my husband wonderful not to
be embarrassed by that?

The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't over
estimating those activity points (a trap many people
fall into). Exercise does burn off calories, but they
don't fall off in large quantities. I've been working on
the treadmill twice daily lately (don't ask, I'm
humoring hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the morning, 25
in the evening - all at 4MPH or a tad over. Yet I figure
it only gets me 4 or 5 activity points (100 calories
burned = 1 AP).

I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-31. I
don't use Flex Points either.

Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good. It
appears you are just under 1 pound per week, might
appear to be slow but it still is a loss. It could take
your system quite some time to get back into the swing
of losing if you have done a lot of yoyoing in the past
... it does screw up your metabolism.

Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.

I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear I
am NOT quitting!! I just figured that someone who is
only 5' tall and weighs 228 pounds would lose more to
start with. But, like you said, it's 8 pounds I didn't
gain, so I should be happy.

Wow, that is an incredibly huge difference in point
calculations! I've had them vary by maybe 1 or 2 points, but
7? I'm sure the preassigned labels are for those that don't
have scales to weigh or measure - but I think a warning that
most standard foods are not a single portion size would be
nice. And yes, not a biggie when I started ww, as
miscalculating a few points didn't do too much damage. But
if getting nearer your goal those few extra points can make
a big difference ... and if trying to stay at goal - well,
it can make things very difficult to say the least. Guess
that's why every so often I go back to measuring and
weighing things, just to make sure I'm still accounting
correctly. Tonite's dinner will be measured since it's the
first time I'm preparing this (the TJ's stir-fry). The
package says 4 servings, I want to know just how big (or
small) each serving actually is.

Joyce

Miss Violette said:

DH and I just tried using the WW site recipe builder for
the first time yesterday, the values they had put the
tamale pie we made at 11 points per serving. It was 4
points when using the nutritional labels. I think that they
assign values so people feel they do not have to weigh
things. This theory works for those who have lots to lose
but not if there is a smaller amount to lose, Lee Joyce
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

That has been one of my biggest gripes when looking at
the ww point

booklets or

Quoted message said:

using their website ... too easy to do things
incorrectly. Why give the

choice of

Quoted message said:

*1 chicken breast* and then assign it a number such as 4
points. Not

every darned

Quoted message said:

chicken breast is that size, in fact, very few are. Yet I
bet many people

on the

Quoted message said:

program never think about it, figure that if ww says 1
breast is 4 points,

then it

Quoted message said:

must be so ... regardless. You really do have to be
careful reading

those

Quoted message said:

nutritional labels. The package does give you the correct
information,

then will

Quoted message said:

say that this package contains *various* in the number of
servings it

contains.

Quoted message said:

You also have to remember that on raw meats, that
information is for

uncooked

Quoted message said:

portions. When you cook it and eat 4 ounces ... it is no
longer the same

caloric

Quoted message said:

values. 4 ounces of cooked chicken is probably more like
being equivalent

to 5.5

Quoted message said:

or 6 ounces raw. I usually figure 25% in shrinkage
factor, on most all

meats and

Quoted message said:

seafoods. I buy boneless chicken breasts, get them in
bulk when they are

on sale

Quoted message said:

and repackage and freeze. The boneless breasts tend to
run close to 5 and

6

Quoted message said:

ounces each - they are huge!

If you really want to have some fun, weight your pieces
of fruit (apples,

pears,

Quoted message said:

oranges, etc.), weigh that baked potato before you eat
it. It can really

open

Quoted message said:

your eyes - even though the items are better than eating
half a dozen

cookies. I

Quoted message said:

had a pear last week, that actually weighed in at 3
servings after being

cored and

Quoted message said:

sliced! I baked what I thought was a normal size potato,
on a whim I

threw it on

Quoted message said:

the scale ... think it came out to about 8 ounces -
definitely more than

ww

Quoted message said:

considers 1 serving. I've gotten pretty good at being
able to eyeball

things now,

Quoted message said:

but have been doing this for over 2 years.

Joyce

Laura said:

I never realised how important weighing everything is
until this thread.

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

frequently buy already cooked chicken breasts. The
package says 4oz 150

cal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

without skin. When I defrosted it and pulled all of the
meat off of the

bone

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it was more like 6oz. I don't carry a purse very often
but I might buy a small scale to keep in my purse for
those times I eat out. I've seen one

at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the supermarket in their kitchen supply section that is
only about 5"

high.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Small enough to stash in my purse or briefcase.

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de... I am 5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty
steady, My biggest issue I think

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that my body was in starvation mode. I didn't have the
big first week

loss

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that many do either. I have been doing this for 73 weeks
and have lost

70

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

since on WW. I don't care as I was gaining about two
pounds a month so

if I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

figure that out I am pleased, good luck, and oh yeah, I
was just talking

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

DH about taking my scale as I ate a piece of polish
sausage that I

figured

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

would be one point and it was three. He laughed and said
whatever you

want

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but I think the world will end if you start carrying a
purse, Lee

LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]... So, if I'm
reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8 or 9
points throughout the day - then the balance for
dinner and evening snacks? I think you need to balance
those points out a bit better to make sure you are
eating

enough.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe you could post a few journals here and let us have
a go at them.

Just

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

make sure you have everything accounted for when
posting! You might also be

falling

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

into the serving size trap ... such as *one chicken
breast* for dinner

...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

yet all chicken breasts are not the same size. 3 oz
breasts are very difficult

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

find, I've discovered that's usually about half a piece
of what I purchase in the stores. The same with a small
potato. Resaurant potatoes are not

small -

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

usually about 8 ounces or more - which is going to be
more than one standard serving size (unless you only eat
half of it). I am ashamed to admit it, but I take my
SCALE with me to the

restaurant. I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have this huge tote, so I carry my scale, my butter
spray, and my salad dressing. Now y'all will think I'm
crazy. Isn't my husband wonderful not

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be embarrassed by that?

The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't
over estimating those activity points (a trap many
people fall into). Exercise does burn off calories,
but they don't fall off in large quantities. I've been
working on the treadmill twice daily lately (don't
ask, I'm humoring hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the
morning, 25 in the evening - all at 4MPH or a tad
over. Yet I figure it only gets me 4 or 5 activity
points (100 calories burned = 1 AP).

I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-31.
I don't use Flex Points either.

Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good.
It appears you

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

just under 1 pound per week, might appear to be slow but
it still is a loss. It could take your system quite some
time to get back into the swing of losing

if

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you have done a lot of yoyoing in the past ... it does
screw up your metabolism.

Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.

I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear
I am NOT

quitting!!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I just figured that someone who is only 5' tall and
weighs 228 pounds

would

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

lose more to start with. But, like you said, it's 8
pounds I didn't gain,

so

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I should be happy.

Yup, that's what the book shows. I weighed my sweet potato
last nite ... 10 oz raw, barely over 8 oz cooked ... logged
it into the dietpower program and it gave me 290 calories
and 8 grams of fiber ... equivalent to 5 points.
Calorieking.com gave me 234 calories when I rescaled sweet
potato baked to 8 oz, 293 when I rescaled to 10 ... so maybe
they are using raw form ... or I used the wrong weight when
logging in diet power. So I redid my calc in dietpower -
assumed the weight they are giving is based on cooked weight
(I used raw weight, but the description does say baked),
came up with 233 cal/6g fiber and it calculates to 3.86
points. THIS is where I notice the biggest discrepencies in
ww ... sometimes they round the points up, sometimes down -
but there is no consistency or logic at all.

I've still very seldom seen a single chicken breast at the
store that weighs in at 3-4 ounces. Maybe my stores just cut
everything larger? I do know that my daughter and I split
one breast on most occassions and is plenty for both of us.

Joyce

Fred said:

Actually, the WW food book shows a baked potato (8oz
cooked, 10 oz raw) is 3 points.

Same values for sweet's.

The chicken breast varies from 3.5 to 4 oz depending on
whether cooked with skin and/or bone. 3-5 points.

Joyce said:

That has been one of my biggest gripes when looking at the
ww point booklets or using their website ... too easy to
do things incorrectly. Why give the choice of *1 chicken
breast* and then assign it a number such as 4 points. Not
every darned chicken breast is that size, in fact, very
few are. Yet I bet many people on the program never think
about it, figure that if ww says 1 breast is 4 points,
then it must be so ... regardless. You really do have to
be careful reading those nutritional labels. The package
does give you the correct information, then will say that
this package contains *various* in the number of servings
it contains. You also have to remember that on raw meats,
that information is for uncooked portions. When you cook
it and eat 4 ounces ... it is no longer the same caloric
values. 4 ounces of cooked chicken is probably more like
being equivalent to 5.5 or 6 ounces raw. I usually figure
25% in shrinkage factor, on most all meats and seafoods. I
buy boneless chicken breasts, get them in bulk when they
are on sale and repackage and freeze. The boneless breasts
tend to run close to 5 and 6 ounces each - they are huge!

If you really want to have some fun, weight your pieces of
fruit (apples, pears, oranges, etc.), weigh that baked
potato before you eat it. It can really open your eyes -
even though the items are better than eating half a dozen
cookies. I had a pear last week, that actually weighed in
at 3 servings after being cored and sliced! I baked what I
thought was a normal size potato, on a whim I threw it on
the scale ... think it came out to about 8 ounces -
definitely more than ww considers 1 serving. I've gotten
pretty good at being able to eyeball things now, but have
been doing this for over 2 years.

Joyce

Laura said:

I never realised how important weighing everything is
until this thread. I frequently buy already cooked
chicken breasts. The package says 4oz 150 cal without
skin. When I defrosted it and pulled all of the meat off
of the bone it was more like 6oz. I don't carry a purse
very often but I might buy a small scale to keep in my
purse for those times I eat out. I've seen one at the
supermarket in their kitchen supply section that is only
about 5" high. Small enough to stash in my purse or
briefcase.

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message -"]news:[email hidden]-
berlin.de... I am 5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty
steady, My biggest issue I think is that my body was in
starvation mode. I didn't have the big first week loss
that many do either. I have been doing this for 73 weeks
and have lost 70 since on WW. I don't care as I was
gaining about two pounds a month so if I figure that out
I am pleased, good luck, and oh yeah, I was just talking
to DH about taking my scale as I ate a piece of polish
sausage that I figured would be one point and it was
three. He laughed and said whatever you want but I think
the world will end if you start carrying a purse, Lee

LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]... So, if I'm
reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8 or 9
points throughout the day - then the balance for dinner
and evening snacks? I think you need to balance those
points out a bit better to make sure you are eating
enough. Maybe you could post a few journals here and
let us have a go at them. Just make sure you have
everything accounted for when posting! You might also
be falling into the serving size trap ... such as *one
chicken breast* for dinner ... yet all chicken breasts
are not the same size. 3 oz breasts are very difficult
to find, I've discovered that's usually about half a
piece of what I purchase in the stores. The same with a
small potato. Resaurant potatoes are not small -
usually about 8 ounces or more - which is going to be
more than one standard serving size (unless you only
eat half of it). I am ashamed to admit it, but I take
my SCALE with me to the restaurant. I have this huge
tote, so I carry my scale, my butter spray, and my
salad dressing. Now y'all will think I'm crazy. Isn't
my husband wonderful not to be embarrassed by that?

The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't
over estimating those activity points (a trap many
people fall into). Exercise does burn off calories, but
they don't fall off in large quantities. I've been
working on the treadmill twice daily lately (don't ask,
I'm humoring hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the
morning, 25 in the evening - all at 4MPH or a tad over.
Yet I figure it only gets me 4 or 5 activity points
(100 calories burned = 1 AP).

I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-31.
I don't use Flex Points either.

Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good. It
appears you are just under 1 pound per week, might
appear to be slow but it still is a loss. It could take
your system quite some time to get back into the swing
of losing if you have done a lot of yoyoing in the past
... it does screw up your metabolism.

Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.

I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear I
am NOT quitting!! I just figured that someone who is
only 5' tall and weighs 228 pounds would lose more to
start with. But, like you said, it's 8 pounds I didn't
gain, so I should be happy.

Interesting results using that program. I would have to
guess that as you say, WW rounds. Now whether one system is
better or worse or just uses different nutrient values is
hard to say. But I would guess that unless someone never
varies their diet, it all eventually works out. Sweet potato
may be high and something else low. After all the entire
points concept is not based entirely on calories.

Joyce said:

Yup, that's what the book shows. I weighed my sweet potato
last nite ... 10 oz raw, barely over 8 oz cooked ...
logged it into the dietpower program and it gave me 290
calories and 8 grams of fiber ... equivalent to 5 points.
Calorieking.com gave me 234 calories when I rescaled sweet
potato baked to 8 oz, 293 when I rescaled to 10 ... so
maybe they are using raw form ... or I used the wrong
weight when logging in diet power. So I redid my calc in
dietpower - assumed the weight they are giving is based on
cooked weight (I used raw weight, but the description does
say baked), came up with 233 cal/6g fiber and it
calculates to 3.86 points. THIS is where I notice the
biggest discrepencies in ww ... sometimes they round the
points up, sometimes down - but there is no consistency or
logic at all.

I've still very seldom seen a single chicken breast at
the store that weighs in at 3-4 ounces. Maybe my stores
just cut everything larger? I do know that my daughter
and I split one breast on most occassions and is plenty
for both of us.

Joyce

Fred said:

Actually, the WW food book shows a baked potato (8oz
cooked, 10 oz raw) is 3 points.

Same values for sweet's.

The chicken breast varies from 3.5 to 4 oz depending on
whether cooked with skin and/or bone. 3-5 points.

Joyce said:

That has been one of my biggest gripes when looking at
the ww point booklets or using their website ... too easy
to do things incorrectly. Why give the choice of *1
chicken breast* and then assign it a number such as 4
points. Not every darned chicken breast is that size, in
fact, very few are. Yet I bet many people on the program
never think about it, figure that if ww says 1 breast is
4 points, then it must be so ... regardless. You really
do have to be careful reading those nutritional labels.
The package does give you the correct information, then
will say that this package contains *various* in the
number of servings it contains. You also have to remember
that on raw meats, that information is for uncooked
portions. When you cook it and eat 4 ounces ... it is no
longer the same caloric values. 4 ounces of cooked
chicken is probably more like being equivalent to 5.5 or
6 ounces raw. I usually figure 25% in shrinkage factor,
on most all meats and seafoods. I buy boneless chicken
breasts, get them in bulk when they are on sale and
repackage and freeze. The boneless breasts tend to run
close to 5 and 6 ounces each - they are huge!

If you really want to have some fun, weight your pieces
of fruit (apples, pears, oranges, etc.), weigh that baked
potato before you eat it. It can really open your eyes -
even though the items are better than eating half a dozen
cookies. I had a pear last week, that actually weighed in
at 3 servings after being cored and sliced! I baked what
I thought was a normal size potato, on a whim I threw it
on the scale ... think it came out to about 8 ounces -
definitely more than ww considers 1 serving. I've gotten
pretty good at being able to eyeball things now, but have
been doing this for over 2 years.

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:15:30 GMT, "Laura"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>I never realised how important weighing everything is
>until this thread. I frequently buy already cooked
>chicken breasts. The package says 4oz 150 cal without
>skin. When I defrosted it and pulled all of the meat off
>of the bone it was more like 6oz. I don't carry a purse
>very often but I might buy a small scale to keep in my
>purse for those times I eat out. I've seen one at the
>supermarket in their kitchen supply section that is only
>about 5" high. Small enough to stash in my purse or
>briefcase.
>
>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>message -"]news:[email hidden]-
>berlin.de... I am 5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty
>steady, My biggest issue I think is that my body was in
>starvation mode. I didn't have the big first week loss
>that many do either. I have been doing this for 73 weeks
>and have lost 70 since on WW. I don't care as I was
>gaining about two pounds a month so if I figure that out
>I am pleased, good luck, and oh yeah, I was just talking
>to DH about taking my scale as I ate a piece of polish
>sausage that I figured would be one point and it was
>three. He laughed and said whatever you want but I think
>the world will end if you start carrying a purse, Lee
>
> LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> "]news:[email hidden]... So, if I'm
> reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8 or 9
> points throughout the day - then the balance for
> dinner and evening snacks? I think you need to balance
> those points out a bit better to make sure you are
> eating enough. Maybe you could post a few journals
> here and let us have a go at them. Just make sure you
> have everything accounted for when posting! You might
> also be falling into the serving size trap ... such as
> *one chicken breast* for dinner ... yet all chicken
> breasts are not the same size. 3 oz breasts are very
> difficult to find, I've discovered that's usually
> about half a piece of what I purchase in the stores.
> The same with a small potato. Resaurant potatoes are
> not small - usually about 8 ounces or more - which is
> going to be more than one standard serving size
> (unless you only eat half of it). I am ashamed to
> admit it, but I take my SCALE with me to the
> restaurant. I have this huge tote, so I carry my
> scale, my butter spray, and my salad dressing. Now
> y'all will think I'm crazy. Isn't my husband wonderful
> not to be embarrassed by that?
>
> The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't
> over estimating those activity points (a trap many
> people fall into). Exercise does burn off calories,
> but they don't fall off in large quantities. I've been
> working on the treadmill twice daily lately (don't
> ask, I'm humoring hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the
> morning, 25 in the evening - all at 4MPH or a tad
> over. Yet I figure it only gets me 4 or 5 activity
> points (100 calories burned = 1 AP).
>
> I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-31.
> I don't use Flex Points either.
>
>
> Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good.
> It appears you are just under 1 pound per week, might
> appear to be slow but it still is a loss. It could
> take your system quite some time to get back into the
> swing of losing if you have done a lot of yoyoing in
> the past ... it does screw up your metabolism.
>
> Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.
>
> I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear
> I am NOT quitting!! I just figured that someone who is
> only 5' tall and weighs 228 pounds would lose more to
> start with. But, like you said, it's 8 pounds I didn't
> gain, so I should be happy.
>

the difference was in the polenta. TJ's is very low and the
secondary polenta we bought was also, about 1 point if I
remember per serving their data base was 4 I think. I also
could not find a ground meat lean enough to chose in the DB.
This burger is from a cow my father had ground up and is no
more than one point per ounce, the best they had was 1.5 if
I remember correctly. I know it cant be too bad because if
you make burgers you MUST add something to keep it from
sticking. But mostly it was the difference in the polenta. I
think if I use it again I will put the nutrition for the
actual items I am using in the DB.

As far as measuring and weighing. DH measures most
everything when we are at home because we eat out enough he
wants to stay on top of it for me. He is very accurate, to
the point that once we were in a cracker-barrel and the game
was cut some cheddar cheese from a block, if you were within
an ounce then you got it free. I wanted 4 ounces, he cut it
and told the lady it was 4 ounces, when she weighed it it
was 4.1 ounces and that was years before WW. Lee Joyce
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Wow, that is an incredibly huge difference in point
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had them

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vary by maybe 1 or 2 points, but 7? I'm sure the
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for those

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that don't have scales to weigh or measure - but I think a
warning that

most

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standard foods are not a single portion size would be
nice. And yes, not

a biggie

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when I started ww, as miscalculating a few points didn't
do too much

damage. But

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if getting nearer your goal those few extra points can
make a big

difference ...

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and if trying to stay at goal - well, it can make things
very difficult to

say the

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least. Guess that's why every so often I go back to
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weighing

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things, just to make sure I'm still accounting correctly.
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will be

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measured since it's the first time I'm preparing this (the
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Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 05:31:13 -0600, "Miss Violette"

<[email hidden]>

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DH and I just tried using the WW site recipe builder for
the first time yesterday, the values they had put the
tamale pie we made at 11 points

per

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serving. It was 4 points when using the nutritional
labels. I think

that

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they assign values so people feel they do not have to
weigh things. This theory works for those who have lots
to lose but not if there is a

smaller

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amount to lose, Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in
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That has been one of my biggest gripes when looking at
the ww point

booklets or

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using their website ... too easy to do things
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chicken breast is that size, in fact, very few are. Yet
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portions. When you cook it and eat 4 ounces ... it is
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caloric

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seafoods. I buy boneless chicken breasts, get them in
bulk when they

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on sale

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and repackage and freeze. The boneless breasts tend to
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ounces each - they are huge!

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pears,

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oranges, etc.), weigh that baked potato before you eat
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really

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open

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cookies. I

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being

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cored and

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sliced! I baked what I thought was a normal size
potato, on a whim I

threw it on

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the scale ... think it came out to about 8 ounces -
definitely more

than

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ww

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but have been doing this for over 2 years.

Joyce

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:15:30 GMT, "Laura"
<[email hidden]>

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>I never realised how important weighing everything is
>until this

thread.

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I

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>frequently buy already cooked chicken breasts. The
>package says 4oz

150

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cal

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>without skin. When I defrosted it and pulled all of
>the meat off of

the

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bone

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>it was more like 6oz. I don't carry a purse very often
>but I might buy

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>out. I've seen

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>is only about 5"

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>Small enough to stash in my purse or briefcase.
>
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>berlin.de... I am 5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty
>steady, My biggest issue I

think

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is

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>that my body was in starvation mode. I didn't have the
>big first week

loss

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>that many do either. I have been doing this for 73
>weeks and have

lost

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70

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>since on WW. I don't care as I was gaining about two
>pounds a month

so

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>figure that out I am pleased, good luck, and oh yeah,
>I was just

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>DH about taking my scale as I ate a piece of polish
>sausage that I

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>said whatever you

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>but I think the world will end if you start carrying a
>purse, Lee
>
> LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> "]news:[email hidden]... So, if
> I'm reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8 or
> 9 points throughout the day - then the balance for
> dinner and evening snacks?

I

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>think you need to balance those points out a bit
>better to make sure you are eating

enough.

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>Maybe you could post a few journals here and let us
>have a go at them.

Just

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>make sure you have everything accounted for when
>posting! You might also be

falling

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>into the serving size trap ... such as *one chicken
>breast* for dinner

...

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>yet all chicken breasts are not the same size. 3 oz
>breasts are very

difficult

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to

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>find, I've discovered that's usually about half a
>piece of what I purchase

in

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>the stores. The same with a small potato. Resaurant
>potatoes are not

small -

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>usually about 8 ounces or more - which is going to be
>more than one standard serving size (unless you only
>eat half of it). I am ashamed to admit it, but I take
>my SCALE with me to the

restaurant. I

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>have this huge tote, so I carry my scale, my butter
>spray, and my

salad

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>dressing. Now y'all will think I'm crazy. Isn't my
>husband wonderful

not

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to

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>be embarrassed by that?
>
> The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't
> over estimating those activity points (a trap many
> people

fall

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>into). Exercise does burn off calories, but they don't
>fall off in large quantities. I've been working on the
>treadmill twice daily lately (don't ask,

I'm

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>humoring hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the morning,
>25 in the evening - all

at

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>4MPH or a tad over. Yet I figure it only gets me 4 or
>5 activity points (100 calories burned = 1 AP).
>
> I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-
> 31. I don't use

Flex

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>Points either.
>
>
> Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good.
> It appears you

are

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>just under 1 pound per week, might appear to be slow
>but it still is a

loss.

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>It could take your system quite some time to get back
>into the swing of

losing

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if

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>you have done a lot of yoyoing in the past ... it does
>screw up your

metabolism.

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>
> Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.
>
> I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I
> swear I am NOT

quitting!!

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>I just figured that someone who is only 5' tall and
>weighs 228 pounds

would

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>lose more to start with. But, like you said, it's 8
>pounds I didn't

gain,

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so

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>I should be happy.
>
>

I don't think one program is any better than the other -
just different ways of looking at things. WW is fantastic,
I loved the simplified way of counting calories. It
obviously worked for me, and I would not hesitate to go
back to it if I start struggling. But I do want to move
away from having to pay for their web service, so thought I
would give this other program a try. It seems to have
spurred me in the right direction during the struggle I've
been fighting the past few weeks. Don't know if it's the
different way of looking at things, or just more
determination on my part. Probably a bit of both. I still
find myself using the good things I have learned on ww
though .. choosing and eating higher fiber, more nutritious
foods instead of filling up on empty calorie laden junk.
And I haven't moved totally away from the point system,
only away from officially counting them. Buried in my head
there is always that tally going on. <G>

Joyce

Fred said:

Interesting results using that program. I would have to
guess that as you say, WW rounds. Now whether one system is
better or worse or just uses different nutrient values is
hard to say. But I would guess that unless someone never
varies their diet, it all eventually works out. Sweet
potato may be high and something else low. After all the
entire points concept is not based entirely on calories.

Joyce said:

Yup, that's what the book shows. I weighed my sweet potato
last nite ... 10 oz raw, barely over 8 oz cooked ...
logged it into the dietpower program and it gave me 290
calories and 8 grams of fiber ... equivalent to 5 points.
Calorieking.com gave me 234 calories when I rescaled sweet
potato baked to 8 oz, 293 when I rescaled to 10 ... so
maybe they are using raw form ... or I used the wrong
weight when logging in diet power. So I redid my calc in
dietpower - assumed the weight they are giving is based on
cooked weight (I used raw weight, but the description does
say baked), came up with 233 cal/6g fiber and it
calculates to 3.86 points. THIS is where I notice the
biggest discrepencies in ww ... sometimes they round the
points up, sometimes down - but there is no consistency or
logic at all.

I've still very seldom seen a single chicken breast at
the store that weighs in at 3-4 ounces. Maybe my stores
just cut everything larger? I do know that my daughter
and I split one breast on most occassions and is plenty
for both of us.

Joyce

Fred said:

Actually, the WW food book shows a baked potato (8oz
cooked, 10 oz raw) is 3 points.

Same values for sweet's.

The chicken breast varies from 3.5 to 4 oz depending on
whether cooked with skin and/or bone. 3-5 points.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:30:00 -0600, Joyce
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>That has been one of my biggest gripes when looking at
>the ww point booklets or using their website ... too
>easy to do things incorrectly. Why give the choice of *1
>chicken breast* and then assign it a number such as 4
>points. Not every darned chicken breast is that size, in
>fact, very few are. Yet I bet many people on the program
>never think about it, figure that if ww says 1 breast is
>4 points, then it must be so ... regardless. You really
>do have to be careful reading those nutritional labels.
>The package does give you the correct information, then
>will say that this package contains *various* in the
>number of servings it contains. You also have to
>remember that on raw meats, that information is for
>uncooked portions. When you cook it and eat 4 ounces ...
>it is no longer the same caloric values. 4 ounces of
>cooked chicken is probably more like being equivalent to
>5.5 or 6 ounces raw. I usually figure 25% in shrinkage
>factor, on most all meats and seafoods. I buy boneless
>chicken breasts, get them in bulk when they are on sale
>and repackage and freeze. The boneless breasts tend to
>run close to 5 and 6 ounces each - they are huge!
>
>If you really want to have some fun, weight your pieces
>of fruit (apples, pears, oranges, etc.), weigh that
>baked potato before you eat it. It can really open your
>eyes - even though the items are better than eating half
>a dozen cookies. I had a pear last week, that actually
>weighed in at 3 servings after being cored and sliced! I
>baked what I thought was a normal size potato, on a whim
>I threw it on the scale ... think it came out to about 8
>ounces - definitely more than ww considers 1 serving.
>I've gotten pretty good at being able to eyeball things
>now, but have been doing this for over 2 years.
>
>Joyce
>
>On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:15:30 GMT, "Laura"
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>I never realised how important weighing everything is
>>until this thread. I frequently buy already cooked
>>chicken breasts. The package says 4oz 150 cal without
>>skin. When I defrosted it and pulled all of the meat
>>off of the bone it was more like 6oz. I don't carry a
>>purse very often but I might buy a small scale to keep
>>in my purse for those times I eat out. I've seen one at
>>the supermarket in their kitchen supply section that is
>>only about 5" high. Small enough to stash in my purse
>>or briefcase.
>>
>>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>message -"]news:[email hidden]-
>>berlin.de... I am 5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty
>>steady, My biggest issue I think is that my body was in
>>starvation mode. I didn't have the big first week loss
>>that many do either. I have been doing this for 73
>>weeks and have lost 70 since on WW. I don't care as I
>>was gaining about two pounds a month so if I figure
>>that out I am pleased, good luck, and oh yeah, I was
>>just talking to DH about taking my scale as I ate a
>>piece of polish sausage that I figured would be one
>>point and it was three. He laughed and said whatever
>>you want but I think the world will end if you start
>>carrying a purse, Lee
>>
>> LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> "]news:[email hidden]... So, if I'm
>> reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8 or 9
>> points throughout the day - then the balance for
>> dinner and evening snacks? I think you need to
>> balance those points out a bit better to make sure
>> you are eating enough. Maybe you could post a few
>> journals here and let us have a go at them. Just make
>> sure you have everything accounted for when posting!
>> You might also be falling into the serving size trap
>> ... such as *one chicken breast* for dinner ... yet
>> all chicken breasts are not the same size. 3 oz
>> breasts are very difficult to find, I've discovered
>> that's usually about half a piece of what I purchase
>> in the stores. The same with a small potato.
>> Resaurant potatoes are not small - usually about 8
>> ounces or more - which is going to be more than one
>> standard serving size (unless you only eat half of
>> it). I am ashamed to admit it, but I take my SCALE
>> with me to the restaurant. I have this huge tote, so
>> I carry my scale, my butter spray, and my salad
>> dressing. Now y'all will think I'm crazy. Isn't my
>> husband wonderful not to be embarrassed by that?
>>
>> The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't
>> over estimating those activity points (a trap many
>> people fall into). Exercise does burn off calories,
>> but they don't fall off in large quantities. I've
>> been working on the treadmill twice daily lately
>> (don't ask, I'm humoring hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes
>> in the morning, 25 in the evening - all at 4MPH or a
>> tad over. Yet I figure it only gets me 4 or 5
>> activity points (100 calories burned = 1 AP).
>>
>> I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-
>> 31. I don't use Flex Points either.
>>
>>
>> Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good.
>> It appears you are just under 1 pound per week, might
>> appear to be slow but it still is a loss. It could
>> take your system quite some time to get back into the
>> swing of losing if you have done a lot of yoyoing in
>> the past ... it does screw up your metabolism.
>>
>> Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.
>>
>> I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I swear
>> I am NOT quitting!! I just figured that someone who
>> is only 5' tall and weighs 228 pounds would lose more
>> to start with. But, like you said, it's 8 pounds I
>> didn't gain, so I should be happy.
>>

I think the WW thing uses the dry weight on polenta, I also
noticed that they WAY overcharged it with points until I
figured that out.

"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

the difference was in the polenta. TJ's is very low and
the secondary polenta we bought was also, about 1 point if
I remember per serving their data base was 4 I think. I
also could not find a ground meat lean enough

to

Quoted message said:

chose in the DB. This burger is from a cow my father had
ground up and is no more than one point per ounce, the
best they had was 1.5 if I remember correctly. I know it
cant be too bad because if you make burgers you MUST add
something to keep it from sticking. But mostly it was the
difference

in

Quoted message said:

the polenta. I think if I use it again I will put the
nutrition for the actual items I am using in the DB.

As far as measuring and weighing. DH measures most
everything when we are at home because we eat out enough
he wants to stay on top of it for me.

He

Quoted message said:

is very accurate, to the point that once we were in a cracker-
barrel and

the

Quoted message said:

game was cut some cheddar cheese from a block, if you were
within an ounce then you got it free. I wanted 4 ounces,
he cut it and told the lady it

was

Quoted message said:

4 ounces, when she weighed it it was 4.1 ounces and that
was years before WW. Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Wow, that is an incredibly huge difference in point
calculations! I've

had them

Quoted message said:

vary by maybe 1 or 2 points, but 7? I'm sure the
preassigned labels are

for those

Quoted message said:

that don't have scales to weigh or measure - but I think
a warning that

most

Quoted message said:

standard foods are not a single portion size would be
nice. And yes,

not

Quoted message said:

a biggie

Quoted message said:

when I started ww, as miscalculating a few points didn't
do too much

damage. But

Quoted message said:

if getting nearer your goal those few extra points can
make a big

difference ...

Quoted message said:

and if trying to stay at goal - well, it can make things
very difficult

to

Quoted message said:

say the

Quoted message said:

least. Guess that's why every so often I go back to
measuring and

weighing

Quoted message said:

things, just to make sure I'm still accounting
correctly. Tonite's

dinner

Quoted message said:

will be

Quoted message said:

measured since it's the first time I'm preparing this
(the TJ's

stir-fry).

Quoted message said:

The

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actually is.

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DH and I just tried using the WW site recipe builder
for the first time yesterday, the values they had put
the tamale pie we made at 11 points

per

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serving. It was 4 points when using the nutritional
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that

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they assign values so people feel they do not have to
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theory works for those who have lots to lose but not if
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> That has been one of my biggest gripes when looking
> at the ww point
booklets or
> using their website ... too easy to do things
> incorrectly. Why give

the

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choice of
> *1 chicken breast* and then assign it a number such
> as 4 points. Not
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> chicken breast is that size, in fact, very few are.
> Yet I bet many

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> program never think about it, figure that if ww says
> 1 breast is 4

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> careful reading
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> nutritional labels. The package does give you the
> correct

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then will
> say that this package contains *various* in the
> number of servings it
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> You also have to remember that on raw meats, that
> information is for
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> portions. When you cook it and eat 4 ounces ... it is
> no longer the

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> seafoods. I buy boneless chicken breasts, get them in
> bulk when they

are

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on sale
> and repackage and freeze. The boneless breasts tend
> to run close to

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> ounces each - they are huge!
>
> If you really want to have some fun, weight your
> pieces of fruit

(apples,

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pears,
> oranges, etc.), weigh that baked potato before you
> eat it. It can

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> your eyes - even though the items are better than
> eating half a dozen
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> had a pear last week, that actually weighed in at 3
> servings after

being

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cored and
> sliced! I baked what I thought was a normal size
> potato, on a whim I
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> the scale ... think it came out to about 8 ounces -
> definitely more

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> able to

eyeball

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things now,
> but have been doing this for over 2 years.
>
> Joyce
>
> On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:15:30 GMT, "Laura"
> <[email hidden]>

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> >I never realised how important weighing everything
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> >frequently buy already cooked chicken breasts. The
> >package says 4oz

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> >without skin. When I defrosted it and pulled all of
> >the meat off of

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> >it was more like 6oz. I don't carry a purse very
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buy

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> >eat out. I've seen

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> >the supermarket in their kitchen supply section that
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> >Small enough to stash in my purse or briefcase.
> >
> >"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> >berlin.de... I am 5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty
> >steady, My biggest issue I

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> >that many do either. I have been doing this for 73
> >weeks and have

lost

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> >since on WW. I don't care as I was gaining about two
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> >figure that out I am pleased, good luck, and oh
> >yeah, I was just

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> >DH about taking my scale as I ate a piece of polish
> >sausage that I
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> >would be one point and it was three. He laughed and
> >said whatever

you

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> >but I think the world will end if you start carrying
> >a purse, Lee
> >
> > LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > I'm reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8
> > or 9

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> >evening snacks?

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> >think you need to balance those points out a bit
> >better to make sure you are eating
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> >Maybe you could post a few journals here and let us
> >have a go at

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> >posting! You might also be
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> >into the serving size trap ... such as *one chicken
> >breast* for

dinner

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> >yet all chicken breasts are not the same size. 3 oz
> >breasts are very

difficult

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> >find, I've discovered that's usually about half a
> >piece of what I

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> >the stores. The same with a small potato. Resaurant
> >potatoes are not
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> >usually about 8 ounces or more - which is going to
> >be more than one

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> >ashamed to admit it, but I take my SCALE with me to
> >the
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> >have this huge tote, so I carry my scale, my butter
> >spray, and my

salad

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> >dressing. Now y'all will think I'm crazy. Isn't my
> >husband wonderful

not

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> >
> > The same goes for exercise ... make sure you
> > aren't over estimating those activity points (a
> > trap many people

fall

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> >don't fall off in large quantities. I've been
> >working on the treadmill twice daily lately (don't
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> >25 in the evening -

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> >or 5 activity points

(100

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> >
> > I don't use activity points. I just stick to my
> > 26-31. I don't use

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> >
> > Other than that, you are losing .. and that is
> > good. It appears

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> >just under 1 pound per week, might appear to be slow
> >but it still is a

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> >back into the swing of

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> >you have done a lot of yoyoing in the past ... it
> >does screw up your

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> >
> > Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.
> >
> > I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I
> > swear I am NOT
quitting!!
> >I just figured that someone who is only 5' tall and
> >weighs 228

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would
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> >I should be happy.
> >
> >
>

Well, using a fresh method also probably infuses a fresh
outlook which is positive.

I can see not wanting to pay for the online service.

I can see where MasterCook could also help since it figures
nutritional info and that could be plugged in as points. As
I wrote in some thread, it would be great if someone could
do some macro/screen capture stuff from MC and then plug it
into a calc that figured points. I know that there are some
such scripting programs that can find open windows and data
within those windows.but my patience to try and define stuff
like that is limited (G)

Joyce said:

I don't think one program is any better than the other -
just different ways of looking at things. WW is fantastic,
I loved the simplified way of counting calories. It
obviously worked for me, and I would not hesitate to go
back to it if I start struggling. But I do want to move
away from having to pay for their web service, so thought I
would give this other program a try. It seems to have
spurred me in the right direction during the struggle I've
been fighting the past few weeks. Don't know if it's the
different way of looking at things, or just more
determination on my part. Probably a bit of both. I still
find myself using the good things I have learned on ww
though .. choosing and eating higher fiber, more nutritious
foods instead of filling up on empty calorie laden junk.
And I haven't moved totally away from the point system,
only away from officially counting them. Buried in my head
there is always that tally going on. <G>

Joyce

Fred said:

Interesting results using that program. I would have to
guess that as you say, WW rounds. Now whether one system
is better or worse or just uses different nutrient values
is hard to say. But I would guess that unless someone
never varies their diet, it all eventually works out.
Sweet potato may be high and something else low. After all
the entire points concept is not based entirely on
calories.

Joyce said:

Yup, that's what the book shows. I weighed my sweet
potato last nite ... 10 oz raw, barely over 8 oz cooked
... logged it into the dietpower program and it gave me
290 calories and 8 grams of fiber ... equivalent to 5
points. Calorieking.com gave me 234 calories when I
rescaled sweet potato baked to 8 oz, 293 when I rescaled
to 10 ... so maybe they are using raw form ... or I used
the wrong weight when logging in diet power. So I redid
my calc in dietpower - assumed the weight they are giving
is based on cooked weight (I used raw weight, but the
description does say baked), came up with 233 cal/6g
fiber and it calculates to 3.86 points. THIS is where I
notice the biggest discrepencies in ww ... sometimes they
round the points up, sometimes down - but there is no
consistency or logic at all.

I've still very seldom seen a single chicken breast at
the store that weighs in at 3-4 ounces. Maybe my stores
just cut everything larger? I do know that my daughter
and I split one breast on most occassions and is plenty
for both of us.

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:42:23 -0800, Fred
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>Actually, the WW food book shows a baked potato (8oz
>cooked, 10 oz raw) is 3 points.
>
>Same values for sweet's.
>
>The chicken breast varies from 3.5 to 4 oz depending on
>whether cooked with skin and/or bone. 3-5 points.
>
>On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:30:00 -0600, Joyce
><[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>That has been one of my biggest gripes when looking at
>>the ww point booklets or using their website ... too
>>easy to do things incorrectly. Why give the choice of
>>*1 chicken breast* and then assign it a number such as
>>4 points. Not every darned chicken breast is that size,
>>in fact, very few are. Yet I bet many people on the
>>program never think about it, figure that if ww says 1
>>breast is 4 points, then it must be so ... regardless.
>>You really do have to be careful reading those
>>nutritional labels. The package does give you the
>>correct information, then will say that this package
>>contains *various* in the number of servings it
>>contains. You also have to remember that on raw meats,
>>that information is for uncooked portions. When you
>>cook it and eat 4 ounces ... it is no longer the same
>>caloric values. 4 ounces of cooked chicken is probably
>>more like being equivalent to 5.5 or 6 ounces raw. I
>>usually figure 25% in shrinkage factor, on most all
>>meats and seafoods. I buy boneless chicken breasts, get
>>them in bulk when they are on sale and repackage and
>>freeze. The boneless breasts tend to run close to 5 and
>>6 ounces each - they are huge!
>>
>>If you really want to have some fun, weight your pieces
>>of fruit (apples, pears, oranges, etc.), weigh that
>>baked potato before you eat it. It can really open your
>>eyes - even though the items are better than eating
>>half a dozen cookies. I had a pear last week, that
>>actually weighed in at 3 servings after being cored and
>>sliced! I baked what I thought was a normal size
>>potato, on a whim I threw it on the scale ... think it
>>came out to about 8 ounces - definitely more than ww
>>considers 1 serving. I've gotten pretty good at being
>>able to eyeball things now, but have been doing this
>>for over 2 years.
>>
>>Joyce
>>
>>On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:15:30 GMT, "Laura"
>><[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>I never realised how important weighing everything is
>>>until this thread. I frequently buy already cooked
>>>chicken breasts. The package says 4oz 150 cal without
>>>skin. When I defrosted it and pulled all of the meat
>>>off of the bone it was more like 6oz. I don't carry a
>>>purse very often but I might buy a small scale to keep
>>>in my purse for those times I eat out. I've seen one
>>>at the supermarket in their kitchen supply section
>>>that is only about 5" high. Small enough to stash in
>>>my purse or briefcase.
>>>
>>>"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>>message -"]news:[email hidden]-
>>>berlin.de... I am 5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty
>>>steady, My biggest issue I think is that my body was
>>>in starvation mode. I didn't have the big first week
>>>loss that many do either. I have been doing this for
>>>73 weeks and have lost 70 since on WW. I don't care as
>>>I was gaining about two pounds a month so if I figure
>>>that out I am pleased, good luck, and oh yeah, I was
>>>just talking to DH about taking my scale as I ate a
>>>piece of polish sausage that I figured would be one
>>>point and it was three. He laughed and said whatever
>>>you want but I think the world will end if you start
>>>carrying a purse, Lee
>>>
>>> LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>> "]news:[email hidden]... So, if
>>> I'm reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8 or
>>> 9 points throughout the day - then the balance for
>>> dinner and evening snacks? I think you need to
>>> balance those points out a bit better to make sure
>>> you are eating enough. Maybe you could post a few
>>> journals here and let us have a go at them. Just
>>> make sure you have everything accounted for when
>>> posting! You might also be falling into the serving
>>> size trap ... such as *one chicken breast* for
>>> dinner ... yet all chicken breasts are not the same
>>> size. 3 oz breasts are very difficult to find, I've
>>> discovered that's usually about half a piece of what
>>> I purchase in the stores. The same with a small
>>> potato. Resaurant potatoes are not small - usually
>>> about 8 ounces or more - which is going to be more
>>> than one standard serving size (unless you only eat
>>> half of it). I am ashamed to admit it, but I take my
>>> SCALE with me to the restaurant. I have this huge
>>> tote, so I carry my scale, my butter spray, and my
>>> salad dressing. Now y'all will think I'm crazy.
>>> Isn't my husband wonderful not to be embarrassed by
>>> that?
>>>
>>> The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't
>>> over estimating those activity points (a trap many
>>> people fall into). Exercise does burn off calories,
>>> but they don't fall off in large quantities. I've
>>> been working on the treadmill twice daily lately
>>> (don't ask, I'm humoring hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes
>>> in the morning, 25 in the evening - all at 4MPH or a
>>> tad over. Yet I figure it only gets me 4 or 5
>>> activity points (100 calories burned = 1 AP).
>>>
>>> I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-
>>> 31. I don't use Flex Points either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Other than that, you are losing .. and that is good.
>>> It appears you are just under 1 pound per week,
>>> might appear to be slow but it still is a loss. It
>>> could take your system quite some time to get back
>>> into the swing of losing if you have done a lot of
>>> yoyoing in the past ... it does screw up your
>>> metabolism.
>>>
>>> Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.
>>>
>>> I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I
>>> swear I am NOT quitting!! I just figured that
>>> someone who is only 5' tall and weighs 228 pounds
>>> would lose more to start with. But, like you said,
>>> it's 8 pounds I didn't gain, so I should be happy.
>>>
>

Ahhhhhh, too many variables between what you actually
ate and what ww is using for calculations. I found when
using their recipe builder, I had to add almost all of
*my* ingredients into the database first - or the
results were way off.

You're hubby IS good! I know there is no way I would ever
come that close to cutting off a specified amount of cheese.
Chicken or beef maybe, but not cheese.
<G>

Joyce

Miss Violette said:

the difference was in the polenta. TJ's is very low and the
secondary polenta we bought was also, about 1 point if I
remember per serving their data base was 4 I think. I also
could not find a ground meat lean enough to chose in the
DB. This burger is from a cow my father had ground up and
is no more than one point per ounce, the best they had was
1.5 if I remember correctly. I know it cant be too bad
because if you make burgers you MUST add something to keep
it from sticking. But mostly it was the difference in the
polenta. I think if I use it again I will put the nutrition
for the actual items I am using in the DB.

As far as measuring and weighing. DH measures most
everything when we are at home because we eat out enough he
wants to stay on top of it for me. He is very accurate, to
the point that once we were in a cracker-barrel and the
game was cut some cheddar cheese from a block, if you were
within an ounce then you got it free. I wanted 4 ounces, he
cut it and told the lady it was 4 ounces, when she weighed
it it was 4.1 ounces and that was years before WW. Lee
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Wow, that is an incredibly huge difference in point
calculations! I've

had them

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vary by maybe 1 or 2 points, but 7? I'm sure the
preassigned labels are

for those

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that don't have scales to weigh or measure - but I think
a warning that

most

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standard foods are not a single portion size would be
nice. And yes, not

a biggie

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when I started ww, as miscalculating a few points didn't
do too much

damage. But

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if getting nearer your goal those few extra points can
make a big

difference ...

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and if trying to stay at goal - well, it can make things
very difficult to

say the

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least. Guess that's why every so often I go back to
measuring and

weighing

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things, just to make sure I'm still accounting correctly.
Tonite's dinner

will be

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measured since it's the first time I'm preparing this
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package says 4 servings, I want to know just how big (or
small) each

serving

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actually is.

Joyce

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 05:31:13 -0600, "Miss Violette"

<[email hidden]>

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DH and I just tried using the WW site recipe builder for
the first time yesterday, the values they had put the
tamale pie we made at 11 points

per

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serving. It was 4 points when using the nutritional
labels. I think

that

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they assign values so people feel they do not have to
weigh things. This theory works for those who have lots
to lose but not if there is a

smaller

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amount to lose, Lee Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in
message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> That has been one of my biggest gripes when looking at
> the ww point
booklets or
> using their website ... too easy to do things
> incorrectly. Why give

the

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choice of
> *1 chicken breast* and then assign it a number such as
> 4 points. Not
every darned
> chicken breast is that size, in fact, very few are.
> Yet I bet many

people

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on the
> program never think about it, figure that if ww says 1
> breast is 4

points,

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then it
> must be so ... regardless. You really do have to be
> careful reading
those
> nutritional labels. The package does give you the
> correct information,
then will
> say that this package contains *various* in the number
> of servings it
contains.
> You also have to remember that on raw meats, that
> information is for
uncooked
> portions. When you cook it and eat 4 ounces ... it is
> no longer the

same

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caloric
> values. 4 ounces of cooked chicken is probably more
> like being

equivalent

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to 5.5
> or 6 ounces raw. I usually figure 25% in shrinkage
> factor, on most all
meats and
> seafoods. I buy boneless chicken breasts, get them in
> bulk when they

are

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on sale
> and repackage and freeze. The boneless breasts tend to
> run close to 5

and

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6
> ounces each - they are huge!
>
> If you really want to have some fun, weight your
> pieces of fruit

(apples,

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pears,
> oranges, etc.), weigh that baked potato before you eat
> it. It can

really

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open
> your eyes - even though the items are better than
> eating half a dozen
cookies. I
> had a pear last week, that actually weighed in at 3
> servings after

being

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cored and
> sliced! I baked what I thought was a normal size
> potato, on a whim I
threw it on
> the scale ... think it came out to about 8 ounces -
> definitely more

than

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ww
> considers 1 serving. I've gotten pretty good at being
> able to eyeball
things now,
> but have been doing this for over 2 years.
>
> Joyce
>
> On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:15:30 GMT, "Laura"
> <[email hidden]>

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>
> >I never realised how important weighing everything is
> >until this

thread.

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I
> >frequently buy already cooked chicken breasts. The
> >package says 4oz

150

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cal
> >without skin. When I defrosted it and pulled all of
> >the meat off of

the

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bone
> >it was more like 6oz. I don't carry a purse very
> >often but I might buy

a

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> >small scale to keep in my purse for those times I eat
> >out. I've seen

one

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at
> >the supermarket in their kitchen supply section that
> >is only about 5"
high.
> >Small enough to stash in my purse or briefcase.
> >
> >"Miss Violette" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> >message -"]news:[email hidden]-
> >berlin.de... I am 5'2" and I lose slowly but pretty
> >steady, My biggest issue I

think

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is
> >that my body was in starvation mode. I didn't have
> >the big first week
loss
> >that many do either. I have been doing this for 73
> >weeks and have

lost

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70
> >since on WW. I don't care as I was gaining about two
> >pounds a month

so

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if I
> >figure that out I am pleased, good luck, and oh yeah,
> >I was just

talking

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to
> >DH about taking my scale as I ate a piece of polish
> >sausage that I
figured
> >would be one point and it was three. He laughed and
> >said whatever you
want
> >but I think the world will end if you start carrying
> >a purse, Lee
> >
> > LuvDaVols <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > "]news:[email hidden]... So, if
> > I'm reading this right, you are consuming MAYBE 8
> > or 9 points throughout the day - then the balance
> > for dinner and evening snacks?

I

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> >think you need to balance those points out a bit
> >better to make sure you are eating
enough.
> >Maybe you could post a few journals here and let us
> >have a go at them.
Just
> >make sure you have everything accounted for when
> >posting! You might also be
falling
> >into the serving size trap ... such as *one chicken
> >breast* for dinner
...
> >yet all chicken breasts are not the same size. 3 oz
> >breasts are very

difficult

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to
> >find, I've discovered that's usually about half a
> >piece of what I purchase

in

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> >the stores. The same with a small potato. Resaurant
> >potatoes are not
small -
> >usually about 8 ounces or more - which is going to be
> >more than one standard serving size (unless you only
> >eat half of it). I am ashamed to admit it, but I take
> >my SCALE with me to the
restaurant. I
> >have this huge tote, so I carry my scale, my butter
> >spray, and my

salad

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> >dressing. Now y'all will think I'm crazy. Isn't my
> >husband wonderful

not

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to
> >be embarrassed by that?
> >
> > The same goes for exercise ... make sure you aren't
> > over estimating those activity points (a trap many
> > people

fall

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> >into). Exercise does burn off calories, but they
> >don't fall off in large quantities. I've been working
> >on the treadmill twice daily lately (don't ask,

I'm

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> >humoring hubby - lol) ... 35 minutes in the morning,
> >25 in the evening - all

at

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> >4MPH or a tad over. Yet I figure it only gets me 4 or
> >5 activity points (100 calories burned = 1 AP).
> >
> > I don't use activity points. I just stick to my 26-
> > 31. I don't use

Flex

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> >Points either.
> >
> >
> > Other than that, you are losing .. and that is
> > good. It appears you
are
> >just under 1 pound per week, might appear to be slow
> >but it still is a

loss.

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> >It could take your system quite some time to get back
> >into the swing of

losing

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if
> >you have done a lot of yoyoing in the past ... it
> >does screw up your

metabolism.

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> >
> > Hang in there Nell, you ARE doing great.
> >
> > I appreciate your taking time to help me, and I
> > swear I am NOT
quitting!!
> >I just figured that someone who is only 5' tall and
> >weighs 228 pounds
would
> >lose more to start with. But, like you said, it's 8
> >pounds I didn't

gain,

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so
> >I should be happy.
> >
> >
>