The Acid question

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> I live my kidneys.

You may even love your kidneys, but to say an healthy kidney

nurtralises

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the effect of a food's pH, is to totally miss the point. Foodstuff

still

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place a

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"dietary hydrogen (H+) load" upon the kidneys. What happens when

through

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a faulty life style and poor information the bulk of that load is acid

forming?

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" The liver and kidneys have a limited capability to neutralise and eliminate a certain
about of acids. "

True. However, humans evolved with a variety of diets in a variety of

areas

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of the world. Limited does not mean that we come anywhere near the

limites

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without normal diets.

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" It is estimated that the liver and kidneys can clean up about 8

units

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a day. One pound of meat can generate as much as 18 units of uric acid. If the liver and
kidneys can only handle 8 of the 18 units

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uric

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acid, who or what does the rest? The answer, minerals. "

Actaully, the anwer is urine. Uric acid, urea and other wastes is why we pee.

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This site is totally stupid. I already mentioned, the kidneys get rid of excess acid in urine.

That isn't strictly true. What happens in the case of gout? This is when a person has too much
uric acid which can't be eliminated and it forms crystals which accumulate around the feet and
cause agony in the sufferer.

This is a problem with excretion of a particular compound. It has nothing to do with the compound
being an acid. The person's acid/base balance remains intack during a gout attack.

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I don't think modern medicine really has much of an idea about treating this condition because I
once knew a bloke who got regular attacks which were very debilitating, causing him to have to
stay home with his feet up. He had been to the top rheumatic specialists in Australia and they
prescribed a drug called butazoladene (sp?) which wouldn't stop an attack once it occurred, just
prevented an attack. However the side effects were dangerous if he took too much of the drug.

I told him about sodium phosphate and sodium sulphate tablets which he took a couple each day for
a year and never got an attack during that period. Then he did an experiment and went off them and
the attacks began to return. He ended up swearing by the cellsalts and said he would recommend
them to any other sufferer of the condition, over the drugs.

Sodium phosphate is known as the acid neutraliser and sodium sulphate removes poison charged
fluids from the cells, the poison I assume is waste products from food metabolism.

Reallly? What makes you think this?

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you need to provide real evidence this diet works, like peer-reviewed journal articles, not
stupid web sites.

[censored]. Everybody knows that conventional medicine is geared towards pharmaceutical drugs and
denies the efficacy of foods, vitamins and minerals in treating conditions.

Well show us that foods, vitamins and minerals work in treating specific conditions that the medical
community does not acknowledge. You make the claim. You back it.

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The kidney works well enough until it doesn't. The old adage

'prevention

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is better than cure' comes readily to mind. Prevention lies with the

information

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about us and our willingness to take heed.

Can you provide evidence that in people without known kidney disease,

too

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much meat leads to kidney or liver damage? In people with kidney

disease, it

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is known that limiting protein prolongs the life of the kidneys.

Just open your eyes and ears to all the chronic disease in our society which modern medicine is at
a complete loss to cure. Work it out for yourself - modern medicine isn't going to "spill the
beans" on itself, is it?

Why do you except that modern medicine would have a cure for chronic diseases? Modern medicine is
pretty good at prolonging life and improving the quality of life. For example, people with permanent
heart damage (e.g., following a heart attack) are doing much better, in part because of better
treatment of heart attacks and heart failure. I don't remember modern medicine ever making a claim
to cure many chronic diseases.

In fact, much that medicine has been talking about involves prevention: Don't smoke, eat well and
excercising. Doing these three things will do more to prolong the average person's life than
anything else. Add vaccine to this mix vaccines and good sanitation and clean water.

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Modern medicine is unable to cure asthma, allergies, dementia, arthritis, rheumatism, diabetes and
so on. All chronic diseases resulting from faulty diets - but they won't tell you that, you figure
it out from reading alternative health information and thinking for yourself.

Can you provide evidence that these are really caused by a faulty diet? Asthma, rheumatoid arthritis
and other autoimmune like type 1 diebetes and allergies are a result of the body's immune system
overreacting to various triggers like pollen and other allergens.

Poor diet contributes to some types of dementia.

Poor diet and lack of excercise contributes to diabetes.

No question about it.

However, I do read alternative health information. I find it full of unsupported conjectors and
people trying to make money off of products that don't work.

Please prove our contention that alternative health information about diet is correct.

Jeff

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Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Some of you may be wondering about that triple "ha" that Gohde likes to use. Actually, it's only
one "ha" (the first one); the other two are the echo from inside his empty skull.

Could also be uttered like that from a Norwegian :-) (Maybe also other scandinavians??) anyway,
spouting such a haunting way is not nice :-( Better is 'ha, ha, ha' :-) Uttered rapidly.

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That isn't strictly true. What happens in the case of gout? This is when a person has too much
uric acid which can't be eliminated and it forms crystals which accumulate around the feet and
cause agony in the sufferer.

I wish it were that simple to diagnose gout but it isn't. Not everybody with a gouty joint has a
high uric acid blood level. People with

calcium

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pyrophosphate crystals in joints, pseudogout, do not have high calcium

blood

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levels.

Ah yes, but sodium phosphate and sulphate cellsalts help the body assimilate calcium.

Actually, they help the body excrete calcium.

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If the blood gets too acid calcium drops out of solution and deposits around the body - in joints,
muscles, arteries probably.

Yeah, but the blood does not get too acid. Remember, the kidneys handle that.

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I read about this in Paul Bragg's nature cure books. You can look them up at www.amazon.com.

That does not make it true. Most nature cures are really cures for the bank accounts of those
writing the books. The books have few facts to back them up.

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I don't think modern medicine really has much of an idea about treating this condition because
I once knew a bloke who got regular attacks which were very debilitating, causing him to have
to stay home with his feet up. He had been to the top rheumatic specialists in Australia and
they prescribed a drug called butazoladene (sp?) which wouldn't stop an attack once it
occurred, just prevented an attack. However the side effects were dangerous if he took too
much of the drug.

I told him about sodium phosphate and sodium sulphate tablets which he took a couple each day
for a year and never got an attack during that period. Then he did an experiment and went off
them and the attacks began to return. He ended up swearing by the cellsalts and said he would
recommend them to any other sufferer of the condition, over the drugs.

Thats great as it gets him out of the hospital bothering us so anything generating placebo meds
so great for him and everybody else.

Glossary term (from drug company controlled teaching institutions): Placebo - anything cure that
isn't produced using a pharmaceutical product.

No, placebo is a substance that is not believed to have any affect on a particular condition. For
example, in tests of antidepressents, they make placebos look exactly like the antidepressents.

What are the drug-company-controlled teaching institutions? Certainly not medical schools While they
get some grants from drug companies, the vast majority of their money comes from the government from
grants and from tutition. They also do a lot of research on alternative medicines.

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Sodium phosphate is known as the acid neutraliser and sodium sulphate removes poison charged
fluids from the cells, the poison I assume is waste products from food metabolism.

You should really patten that.

If it could be patented it would be one of the drug company top products.

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> you need to provide real evidence this diet works, like

peer-reviewed

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> journal articles, not stupid web sites.

[censored]. Everybody knows that conventional medicine is geared towards pharmaceutical drugs
and denies the efficacy of foods, vitamins and minerals in treating conditions.

Conventional medicine takes over your body after you fail on trying

foods

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and vitamins. If you don't want conventional medicine then don't go to a hospital. Nobody is
putting a gun to your head.

Conventional medicine is a racket controlled by the pharmaceutical cartel.

Only a small percentage (around 10%) of medical care is actually spent on drugs. Most of it goes to
paying people in doctor's offices, hospitals, insurance companies, and the government.
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I have seen you and other talk about a pharmaceutical cartel. But I don't see you posting evidence
that this cartel really exists.

Jeff

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Ah yes, but sodium phosphate and sulphate cellsalts help the body assimilate calcium.

Actually, they help the body excrete calcium.

Sodium phosphate and sulphate help keep the blood at the right PH level. However, sodium has to be
kept in balance with potassium and if there isn't enough potassium the urine goes cloudy, presumably
from calcium being excreted.

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If the blood gets too acid calcium drops out of solution and deposits around the body - in
joints, muscles, arteries probably.

Yeah, but the blood does not get too acid. Remember, the kidneys handle that.

The kidneys work when the body is in good health. When the body isn't in good health, any one of the
organs of elimination can fail.

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I read about this in Paul Bragg's nature cure books. You can look them up at www.amazon.com.

That does not make it true. Most nature cures are really cures for the bank accounts of those
writing the books. The books have few facts to back them up.

Why do you think the pharmaceutical-medical cartel are to intent on keeping medicine "safe" by
eliminating their competition, the alternative medicine industry. Why don't they let doctors
practise nutritional medicine? Why do they spend thousands of dollars pushing their products to
doctors? Why is there so much chronic ill health and so many diseases with no cures, despite all the
money spend on research?

Why do they run people like Rife, Reich and Koch out of business? Why is medical innovation stifled?

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Thats great as it gets him out of the hospital bothering us so anything generating placebo
meds so great for him and everybody else.

Glossary term (from drug company controlled teaching institutions): Placebo - anything cure that
isn't produced using a pharmaceutical product.

The truth about the Rockefeller drug empire The Drug Story: By Hans Ruesch From David Icke's Medical
Archive: davidicke.netdrugstory.htmlOpen ↗

Something Rotten at the Core of Science?  by David F. Horrobin 
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"The core system by which the scientific community allots prestige (in terms of oral presentations
at major meetings and publication in major journals) and funding, is a non-validated charade whose
processes generate results little better than does chance."

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Conventional medicine is a racket controlled by the pharmaceutical cartel.

Only a small percentage (around 10%) of medical care is actually spent on drugs. Most of it goes
to paying people in doctor's offices, hospitals, insurance companies, and the government.
chcf.orgHealthcareCostData.pdfOpen ↗.

I have seen you and other talk about a pharmaceutical cartel. But I don't see you posting evidence
that this cartel really exists.

Sure it exists, along with several others, like the transport and fuel cartels. What do you think
Bush is doing over in Iraq other than cornering middle east oil.

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Ah yes, but sodium phosphate and sulphate cellsalts help the body assimilate calcium.

Actually, they help the body excrete calcium.

Sodium phosphate and sulphate help keep the blood at the right PH level. However, sodium has to be
kept in balance with potassium and if there isn't enough potassium the urine goes cloudy,
presumably from calcium being excreted.

For crying out loud will you stop with all that nonsense. Sodium and potassium have the same
positive charge so no, not in balance. You either release K into the urine or a Na. There
relative concentrations of sodium is 140 meqs vs 4.0 meqs for potassium in the blood so that is a
bunch of nonsense. Amorphous urates and amorphous phosphates can contribute to cloudy urines
which mean nothing as such. Incredible how someone who pretends to use conventional medical
rational attacks it.

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Why do you think the pharmaceutical-medical cartel are to intent on keeping medicine "safe" by
eliminating their competition, the alternative medicine industry. Why don't they let doctors
practise nutritional medicine?

Lets see the doctor gets a type II diabetic which is overweight with a 600 glucose. Question what to
do with this patient one) Tell the patient to get rid of the weight and he will be cured of his
diabetes or Two) give glucose lowering meds. Guess what? Most people know that weight gain is
unhealthy but they eat anyways so what are you going to tell these people? Tell them to come back
when they have a heart attack because they won't listen to you otherwise. You and your coherts are
the losers as nobody listen to you. They would rather take a pill than to put up with any diet.

Why do they spend thousands of dollars pushing

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their products to doctors? Why is there so much chronic ill health and so many diseases with no
cures, despite all the money spend on research?

Why is there so much chronic illness is because people live longer. LIVE LONGER. They live longer
because of meds. The average life expendency was in the thirties or fourties at the term of the
century. There was TB and many infectious diseases like the plaque that killed off a third of the
worlds population. There is many diseases like alzeihemers which is increasing along with cancers
and yes research is being done.

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Something Rotten at the Core of Science? by David F. Horrobin

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"The core system by which the scientific community allots prestige (in terms of oral presentations
at major meetings and publication in major journals) and funding, is a non-validated charade whose
processes generate results little better than does chance."

What he is saying that the studies are non validated which is a good argument and alternate health
has NO STUDIES so what does that make it.

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This site is totally stupid. I already mentioned, the kidneys get rid of excess acid in urine.

That isn't strictly true. What happens in the case of gout? This is when a person has too much
uric acid which can't be eliminated and it forms crystals which accumulate around the feet and
cause agony in the sufferer.

This is a problem with excretion of a particular compound. It has nothing to do with the compound
being an acid. The person's acid/base balance remains intack during a gout attack.

Maybe the acid base does remain normal but when the acid can't be neutralised it forms crystals and
settles around the body. Maybe the PH of the blood doesn't change. Gout is caused by eating and
drinking too rich food i.e, meat, alcohol which produced an acid residue when they are metabolised.

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I don't think modern medicine really has much of an idea about treating this condition because I
once knew a bloke who got regular attacks which were very debilitating, causing him to have to
stay home with his feet up. He had been to the top rheumatic specialists in Australia and they
prescribed a drug called butazoladene (sp?) which wouldn't stop an attack once it occurred, just
prevented an attack. However the side effects were dangerous if he took too much of the drug.

I told him about sodium phosphate and sodium sulphate tablets which he took a couple each day
for a year and never got an attack during that period. Then he did an experiment and went off
them and the attacks began to return. He ended up swearing by the cellsalts and said he would
recommend them to any other sufferer of the condition, over the drugs.

Sodium phosphate is known as the acid neutraliser and sodium sulphate removes poison charged
fluids from the cells, the poison I assume is waste products from food metabolism.

Reallly? What makes you think this?

Because if you get a book on cellsalts it will tell you this. They don't teach you this in med
school because they teach pharmaceutical based medicine which is in opposition to nature cure or
homeopathic medicine.

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[censored]. Everybody knows that conventional medicine is geared towards pharmaceutical drugs and
denies the efficacy of foods, vitamins and minerals in treating conditions.

Well show us that foods, vitamins and minerals work in treating specific conditions that the
medical community does not acknowledge. You make the claim. You back it.

For example, tinnitus is supposed to be incurable. Nothing can be done for it, but silica or silicon
dioxide (same thing) gets rid of it. This is one of the 12 cellsalts and it is found in the
cellulose or roughage of vegetables or hard drinking water.

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"Observations in humans indicated that various conditions such as lung diseases, chronic diseases
and especially growth retardation in children were associated with silicon deficiency."

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Just open your eyes and ears to all the chronic disease in our society which modern medicine is
at a complete loss to cure. Work it out for yourself - modern medicine isn't going to "spill the
beans" on itself, is it?

Why do you except that modern medicine would have a cure for chronic diseases? Modern medicine is
pretty good at prolonging life and improving the quality of life. For example, people with
permanent heart damage (e.g., following a heart attack) are doing much better, in part because of
better treatment of heart attacks and heart failure. I don't remember modern medicine ever making
a claim to cure many chronic diseases.

The Great American Drug Conspiracy Undermining America at it's Roots
drugconspiracy.netfirms.comdrugconspiracy.netfirms.comOpen ↗ Some Food for Thought Do you ever wonder why, with the hundreds
of billions of dollars that have gone into research through contributions, telethons, grants, and
other government funding that there are still no cures for: Cancer, AIDS, Multiple Sclerosis,
Muscular Dystrophy or Heart Disease just to name a few in the health industry? Do you ever wonder
why there are so few medications that actually "Cure" a disease... but only treat a symptom?

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In fact, much that medicine has been talking about involves prevention: Don't smoke, eat well and
excercising. Doing these three things will do more to prolong the average person's life than
anything else. Add vaccine to this mix vaccines and good sanitation and clean water.

True, medicine does dwell a little on prevention. They could do a lot more such as advising of
nutritional supplements. I'm not too sure about vaccinations and think they may be a scam.

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Modern medicine is unable to cure asthma, allergies, dementia, arthritis, rheumatism, diabetes
and so on. All chronic diseases resulting from faulty diets - but they won't tell you that, you
figure it out from reading alternative health information and thinking for yourself.

Can you provide evidence that these are really caused by a faulty diet? Asthma, rheumatoid
arthritis and other autoimmune like type 1 diebetes and allergies are a result of the body's
immune system overreacting to various triggers like pollen and other allergens.

I used to be allergic to housedust and get asthma from it. I took homeopathic sodium chloride (nat
mur) every time I got an attack and it alleviated the attacks. After 5 years on cellsalts I stopped
getting these attacks.

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Poor diet contributes to some types of dementia.

Poor diet and lack of excercise contributes to diabetes.

No question about it.

However, I do read alternative health information. I find it full of unsupported conjectors and
people trying to make money off of products that don't work.

I tried a few diets and products and found they didn't do anything that I could notice. However,
cellsalts work and I find it amazing that the medical profession doesn't acknowledge them. I can
only assume they are under the control of the pharmaceutical cartel.

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Please prove our contention that alternative health information about diet is correct.

I don't understand what you are requesting. Please restate.

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I used to be allergic to housedust and get asthma from it. I took homeopathic sodium chloride (nat
mur) every time I got an attack and it alleviated the attacks. After 5 years on cellsalts I
stopped getting these attacks.

I used to get really bad hay fever every late summer and early fall. When I was about 30, it started
getting better, and within about 5 years, it was essentially gone. What did I do differently?
Nothing. Nada. Zip. It just improved on its own, as I understand it often does. If I had been taking
"cellsalts" during that time, you'd surely have attributed the improvement to them, wouldn't you?
But I wasn't. Nor was I using any conventional medical treatment to try to cure my hayfever. Yet it
still stopped. How do you explain that?

The point of my little story is that testimonials and personal experience can be quite misleading as
to the effectiveness of a particular therapy. If I had tried *any* therapy, alternative or
conventional, "natural" or Big Pharma-based, for my hay fever during that time, I'd have been able
to offer a convincing-sounding testimonial for it. No matter what it was. My personal experience
would have been that the hay fever went away after I pursued the therapy. That's why properly
evaluating a therapy requires control groups, randomization, blinding, and all that other stuff. So
the therapy doesn't wind up taking the credit for something that would have happened all on its own.

Eric Bohlman said:

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I used to be allergic to housedust and get asthma from it. I took homeopathic sodium chloride
(nat mur) every time I got an attack and it alleviated the attacks. After 5 years on cellsalts I
stopped getting these attacks.

I used to get really bad hay fever every late summer and early fall. When I was about 30, it
started getting better, and within about 5 years, it was essentially gone. What did I do
differently? Nothing. Nada. Zip. It just improved on its own, as I understand it often does. If I
had been taking "cellsalts" during that time, you'd surely have attributed the improvement to
them, wouldn't you? But I wasn't. Nor was I using any conventional medical treatment to try to
cure my hayfever. Yet it still stopped. How do you explain that?

The point of my little story is that testimonials and personal experience can be quite misleading
as to the effectiveness of a particular therapy. If I had tried *any* therapy, alternative or
conventional, "natural" or Big Pharma-based, for my hay fever during that time, I'd have been
able to offer a convincing-sounding testimonial for it. No matter what it was. My personal
experience would have been that the hay fever went away after I pursued the therapy. That's why
properly evaluating a therapy requires control groups, randomization, blinding, and all that
other stuff. So the therapy doesn't wind up taking the credit for something that would have
happened all on its own.

ERIC

"Cell Salts"??? Na-Cl IS common table salt...they probably removed all the

valuable minerals from same and SOLD it as an "HEALING SUBSTANCE"??? Yikes what a RIP-OFF!
There ARE some herbals commonly available and usually grow in most wild areas ( except one)
MULLEIN, Horehound, usually are found i in the wild but can be purchased from a GOOD Herbal
company! A close relative that I ADD to the afore-mentioned is "Lamb's Ear". An astringent and
.another "hairy-leafed" herbal as they ALL are I also add RED CLOVER..a KNOWN anti-oxident and
skin healer. A minute pinch of Ceyenne assures healing! Take equal parts, "Bruise" and simmer
for 10 minutes..filter when cooled and bottle and keep in a cool place. GOOD STUFF MAYNARD!!!
It has kept me HEALED now for over 10 yrs after 40 yrs of MISERY! All to whom I've given this
recipe have been blessed with its' healing qualities. B-0b1

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I used to get really bad hay fever every late summer and early fall. When I was about 30, it
started getting better, and within about 5 years, it was essentially gone. What did I do
differently? Nothing. Nada. Zip. It just improved on its own, as I understand it often does. If I
had been taking "cellsalts" during that time, you'd surely have attributed the improvement to
them, wouldn't you? But I wasn't. Nor was I using any conventional medical treatment to try to
cure my hayfever. Yet it still stopped. How do you explain that?

The point of my little story is that testimonials and personal experience can be quite misleading
as to the effectiveness of a particular therapy. If I had tried *any* therapy, alternative or
conventional, "natural" or Big Pharma-based, for my hay fever during that time, I'd have been
able to offer a convincing-sounding testimonial for it. No matter what it was. My personal
experience would have been that the hay fever went away after I pursued the therapy. That's why
properly evaluating a therapy requires control groups, randomization, blinding, and all that
other stuff. So the therapy doesn't wind up taking the credit for something that would have
happened all on its own.

You mean double blind tests, the type the pharmaceutical companies do which cost millions of
dollars? Where they pay for a whole heap of random double blind studies and pick the ones that
favour their drugs?

Or peer review where the chances are as good as a toss of the dice. No thanks! I would rather trust
my own experience. You obviously don't know anything about the nature cure system and your opinion
is therefore worthless.

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You mean double blind tests, the type the pharmaceutical companies do which cost millions of
dollars? Where they pay for a whole heap of random double blind studies and pick the ones that
favour their drugs?

Hey, moron: like the original poster, you could easily have done a set of double-blind tests *on
yourself* at almost no cost, and the result would have been that you didn't post here in a way that
made you come across as a deluded, idiotic [censored].

Worth thinking about for the future, eh?

Hey, ya big bully, don't you go trying to confuse Carole with all your "scientific" gobbledygook
doubledome doubletalk! She's made up her mind (what there is of it) and she *knows* the answers and
anyone who tries to tell her she might be wrong is part of The Conspiracy! And don't you think she
doesn't know it! And Cell Salts cure anything! And the Loch Ness Monster works for the CIA! And the
Queen of England is part of the international Drug Cartel!

So there!

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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You mean double blind tests, the type the pharmaceutical companies do which cost millions of
dollars? Where they pay for a whole heap of random double blind studies and pick the ones that
favour their drugs?

Hey, moron: like the original poster, you could easily have done a set of double-blind tests *on
yourself* at almost no cost, and the result would have been that you didn't post here in a way that
made you come across as a deluded, idiotic [censored].

Worth thinking about for the future, eh?

Ph.

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Hey, moron: like the original poster, you could easily have done a set of double-blind tests *on
yourself* at almost no cost, and the result would have been that you didn't post here in a way
that made you come across as a deluded, idiotic [censored].

Worth thinking about for the future, eh?

Hey, ya big bully, don't you go trying to confuse Carole with all your "scientific" gobbledygook
doubledome doubletalk! She's made up her mind (what there is of it) and she *knows* the answers
and anyone who tries to tell her she might be wrong is part of The Conspiracy! And don't you think
she doesn't know it! And Cell Salts cure anything! And the Loch Ness Monster works for the CIA!
And the Queen of England is part of the international Drug Cartel!

You've figured me out to a certain extent. Yes, I have made up my mind. I've been taking cellsalts
for a long time with ever increasing results - why would I deny it? And yes, there is a conspiracy
going on - prove me wrong. Allopathic medicine is only interested in selling more drugs and
treatment instead of cure. Sorry if you can't handle the truth Dave.

Carole austarmetro.com.auconspiracy.htmOpen ↗

"Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hey, moron: like the original poster, you could easily have done a set

of

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double-blind tests *on yourself* at almost no cost, and the result

would

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have been that you didn't post here in a way that made you come across

as a

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deluded, idiotic [censored].

Worth thinking about for the future, eh?

Hey, ya big bully, don't you go trying to confuse Carole with all your "scientific" gobbledygook
doubledome doubletalk! She's made up her mind (what there is of it) and she *knows* the answers
and anyone who tries to tell her she might be wrong is part of The Conspiracy! And don't you
think she doesn't know it! And Cell Salts cure anything! And the Loch Ness Monster works for the
CIA! And the Queen of England is part of the international Drug Cartel!

You've figured me out to a certain extent. Yes, I have made up my mind.

Took only a half-second?

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I've been taking cellsalts for a long time with ever increasing results - why would I deny it? And
yes, there is a conspiracy going on - prove me wrong. Allopathic medicine is only interested in
selling more drugs and treatment instead of cure. Sorry if you can't handle the truth Dave.

True. gLowlife Dave, the spammin' scammin' MLMer cannot handle the truth.

In article <[email hidden]>, Carole

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hey, moron: like the original poster, you could easily have done a set of double-blind tests *on
yourself* at almost no cost, and the result would have been that you didn't post here in a way
that made you come across as a deluded, idiotic [censored].

Worth thinking about for the future, eh?

Hey, ya big bully, don't you go trying to confuse Carole with all your "scientific" gobbledygook
doubledome doubletalk! She's made up her mind (what there is of it) and she *knows* the answers
and anyone who tries to tell her she might be wrong is part of The Conspiracy! And don't you
think she doesn't know it! And Cell Salts cure anything! And the Loch Ness Monster works for the
CIA! And the Queen of England is part of the international Drug Cartel!

You've figured me out to a certain extent. Yes, I have made up my mind. I've been taking cellsalts
for a long time with ever increasing results - why would I deny it?

Why indeed, at this point? But why claim they're so good? After all, they don't cure anything -- you
have to keep taking them -- and they work incredibly slowly (years).

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And yes, there is a conspiracy going on - prove me wrong.

There is nothing I could say, no matter how reasonable or well- documented, that would convince you.

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Allopathic medicine is only interested in selling more drugs and treatment instead of cure.

Sure, Carole. All doctors are evil moneygrubbers who don't want their patients to get well.

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Sorry if you can't handle the truth Dave.

Carole, if you ever stumble over the truth, you'll pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and move on
without noticing.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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In article <[email hidden]>, Carole

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>Hey, moron: like the original poster, you could easily have done a

set of

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>double-blind tests *on yourself* at almost no cost, and the result

would

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>have been that you didn't post here in a way that made you come

across as a

Quoted message said:

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>deluded, idiotic [censored].
>
>Worth thinking about for the future, eh?

Hey, ya big bully, don't you go trying to confuse Carole with all your "scientific" gobbledygook
doubledome doubletalk! She's made up her mind (what there is of it) and she *knows* the answers
and anyone who tries to tell her she might be wrong is part of The Conspiracy! And don't you
think she doesn't know it! And Cell Salts cure anything! And the Loch Ness Monster works for the
CIA! And the Queen of England is part of the international Drug Cartel!

You've figured me out to a certain extent. Yes, I have made up my mind. I've been taking cellsalts
for a long time with ever increasing results - why would I deny it?

Why indeed, at this point? But why claim they're so good? After all, they don't cure anything --
you have to keep taking them -- and they work incredibly slowly (years).

Quoted message said:

And yes, there is a conspiracy going on - prove me wrong.

There is nothing I could say, no matter how reasonable or well- documented, that would
convince you.

Quoted message said:

Allopathic medicine is only interested in selling more drugs and treatment instead of cure.

Sure, Carole. All doctors are evil moneygrubbers who don't want their patients to get well.

Quoted message said:

Sorry if you can't handle the truth Dave.

Carole, if you ever stumble over the truth, you'll pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and move
on without noticing.

I don't believe that for one moment she would move on without noticing. SHe would curse the truth as
a lie and try to stomp it out of existence. Once satisfied that she had 'killed' the truth, she go
continue forward skipping and with her fingers in her ears he would sing, "La - la - la. I know a
secret. la - la - la. The conspiracies are everywhere. la - la -
la. The jews deserved it. ..."

r

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"Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Ah yes, but sodium phosphate and sulphate cellsalts help the body assimilate calcium. If the
blood gets too acid calcium drops out of solution and deposits around the body - in joints,
muscles, arteries probably. I read about this in Paul Bragg's nature cure books. You can look
them up at www.amazon.com.

Why use science and medicine something of which you have contempt for. ??????

I got that information from one of Paul Bragg's books (nature cure guru from years ago, maybe
1940-60s) - don't know where he got it from though.

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It's called bone formation. You want to be able to maintain bone formation in which calcium is a
vital part. Acid and alkaline enzymes are an integral part of that homeostatic regulation. Bone is
not static but dissolves and builds based on the bodies needs.

That's right. And if a person's diet is calcium deficient it comes out of the bones.

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...You need the building blocks of calcium and phosphorus but to use disease states like renal
failure as a model for normal is bizarre. You equate an acid urine with acidosis of renal failure.
Renal failure causes acidosis with the build up of waste products unable to be excreted by the
damaged kidney. If you ever get renal failure you will have one leg up with your pills but it will
not prevent you from getting renal failure.

I don't know where you got the idea I was talking about renal failure. Where did I say that? What I
was talking about was sometimes the urine goes cloudy - but, whatever causes this condition, the
urine goes clear again after some potassium tablets.

I don't know anything about renal failure, but feel free to explain what it is in layman's terms.

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As far as phosphates you can be like that Swedish chemist who got all these non dairy creamers for
coffee and washed his white shirts with. They can out real nice and white and you want to take
those pills everyday?

Who takes dairy whitener? Obviously forms of sodium, potassium, calcium etc are used to make
building products, bombs, glues and a range of products. But to say that because calcium is used to
make plaster means I eat plaster is a rash assumption.

I take cellsalts calcium (phosphate, sulph and fluoride), potassium (phos, sulph and chloride),
sodium (phos, sulph and homeopathic chloride) , magnesium phos, iron phos and silica.

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> I don't think modern medicine really has much of an idea about treating this condition

So you don't use modern medicine then and only use made up pseudoscience to mold it into something
that resembles medicine in order to sell products or arguements.

"Pseudo science" is the name given to many things to discredit them, but in fact the pharmaceutical
industry is pseudo science and nutritional remedies are the true science.

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Conventional medicine is a racket controlled by the pharmaceutical cartel.

Pharmaceuticals are a big part of medicine which is why people have been living longer. You even
use pharmaceuticals yourself in your little pills that will whiten your insides through and
through.

Patented pharmaceutical drugs is what I'm talking about.

The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry www4.dr-rath-foundation.orgPHARMACEUTICAL BUSINESSOpen ↗
laws_of_the_pharmaceutical_industry.htm

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Once upon a time, our fellow Rich Shewmaker rambled on about "Re: The Acid question." Our champion
De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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"Pseudo science" is the name given to many things to discredit them, but in fact the
pharmaceutical industry is pseudo science and nutritional remedies are the true science.

The pharmaceutical industry is something that I do not participate in becuase I am not a druggie.

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

On 20 Oct 2003 17:26:30 -0700, [email hidden] (Carole) posted:

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"Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

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Ah yes, but sodium phosphate and sulphate cellsalts help the body assimilate calcium. If the
blood gets too acid calcium drops out of solution and deposits around the body - in joints,
muscles, arteries probably. I read about this in Paul Bragg's nature cure books. You can look
them up at www.amazon.com.

Why use science and medicine something of which you have contempt for. ??????

I got that information from one of Paul Bragg's books (nature cure guru from years ago, maybe
1940-60s) - don't know where he got it from though.

Quoted message said:

It's called bone formation. You want to be able to maintain bone formation in which calcium is a
vital part. Acid and alkaline enzymes are an integral part of that homeostatic regulation. Bone
is not static but dissolves and builds based on the bodies needs.

That's right. And if a person's diet is calcium deficient it comes out of the bones.

And what is a calcium deficient diet? (Not coke and fries 🙂

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...You need the building blocks of calcium and phosphorus but to use disease states like renal
failure as a model for normal is bizarre. You equate an acid urine with acidosis of renal
failure. Renal failure causes acidosis with the build up of waste products unable to be excreted
by the damaged kidney. If you ever get renal failure you will have one leg up with your pills but
it will not prevent you from getting renal failure.

I don't know where you got the idea I was talking about renal failure. Where did I say that? What I
was talking about was sometimes the urine goes cloudy - but, whatever causes this condition, the
urine goes clear again after some potassium tablets.

And without the potassium tablets? What about a glass of water?

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I don't know anything about renal failure, but feel free to explain what it is in layman's terms.

So what are you faffing on about calcium balance, if you haven't a clue how the kidneys work?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As far as phosphates you can be like that Swedish chemist who got all these non dairy creamers
for coffee and washed his white shirts with. They can out real nice and white and you want to
take those pills everyday?

Who takes dairy whitener? Obviously forms of sodium, potassium, calcium etc are used to make
building products, bombs, glues and a range of products. But to say that because calcium is used to
make plaster means I eat plaster is a rash assumption.

I take cellsalts calcium (phosphate, sulph and fluoride), potassium (phos, sulph and chloride),
sodium (phos, sulph and homeopathic chloride) , magnesium phos, iron phos and silica.

I hope you don't pay for it. I get that in my drinking water and diet, Just as much as I need,
all for free.

BTW, if you eat calcium sulfate, you are eating plaster.

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> > I don't think modern medicine really has much of an idea about treating this condition

So you don't use modern medicine then and only use made up pseudoscience to mold it into
something that resembles medicine in order to sell products or arguements.

"Pseudo science" is the name given to many things to discredit them, but in fact the pharmaceutical
industry is pseudo science and nutritional remedies are the true science.

The former has evidence of efficacy, the latter does not.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Conventional medicine is a racket controlled by the pharmaceutical cartel.

Pharmaceuticals are a big part of medicine which is why people have been living longer. You even
use pharmaceuticals yourself in your little pills that will whiten your insides through and
through.

Patented pharmaceutical drugs is what I'm talking about.

Try a pharmacology text, and open your eyes.

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: a substance = recognized in an official pharmacopoeia or formulary (2) : a substance = intended
for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or = prevention of disease (3) : a substance
other than food intended to = affect the structure or function of the body (4) : a substance
intended = for use as a component of a medicine but not a device or a component, = part, or
accessory of a device
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So, whether people who take prescribed medications for health conditions = are "druggies" depends on
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who use recreational = drugs as in definition #3. In fact, most medical professionals I know =
seldom use the word "drugs" to refer to legal medications. Obviously, = you prefer to call those who
take legal medications "druggies." Be my = guest. Arguing semantics is silly.

But you should not have so much chutzpah [look it up yourself] about = your good health. The day may
come when you will need the products of = those evil pharmaceutical companies to stay alive. When
that happens I = may not be able to suppress my schadenfreude.

Just thought you might want to know.

--Rich

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yourself] about your good health. The day may come = when you=20 will need the products of
those evil pharmaceutical companies to stay = alive.=20 When that happens I may not be able
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