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I'm sure they begged you to leave.

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Bob Mauri said:

The military never molded me into their ideal (which is why I got out at
the earliest opportunity).

Same here.

i bow in submission to your eloquent and sophisticated one word
reasoning.....

I am beginning to remember why so many people have fled usenet....

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Wrong.

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demonstrably false.

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Then you have never known them.

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> you are apparently acquainted with a different military than me....I
> have never known them to fit anything well.
>
>
> "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Yet the military can make one size fit all, and be very successful at
>> doing so.
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>> "bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>> self control is not in the reach of everyone, which is the point of
>>> this thread.
>>> the human brain has many permutations, and some individuals have
>>> pathological deficits in self control with respect to food.
>>>
>>> more to the point many of us in this forum are somewhere north of
>>> this extreme, where self control is indeed theoretically possible,
>>> but much more difficult than it is for other people. to ignore this
>>> is to ignore the population segment models that have enabled medicine
>>> to move forward for the last 40 years. One solution does not fit all.
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Low-Carb Bartender" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>>> "> If moderation worked for everyone, then none of us would really
>>>> need LC, we
>>>>> could just do LF or simply eat less of all kinds of foods. You
>>>>> obviously
>>>>> don't understand why that doesn't work.
>>>>
>>>> Self-control and personal responsibility work for everyone. You just
>>>> have to stop the excuses and move on.
>>>>
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Roger Zoul said:

I agree. Some people just can't deal, that's all.

The poor shall forever be amongst us.

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|| On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:59:06 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote:
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||| I agree. Some people just can't deal, that's all.
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|| The poor shall forever be amongst us.

Yes.

There are no chains around your ankles.

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i bow in submission to your eloquent and sophisticated one word
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I am beginning to remember why so many people have fled usenet....

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Wrong.

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demonstrably false.

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> Then you have never known them.
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> "bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> you are apparently acquainted with a different military than me....I
>> have never known them to fit anything well.
>>
>>
>> "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>> Yet the military can make one size fit all, and be very successful at
>>> doing so.
>>>
>>> --
>>> You're too dumb to even be a troll trainee. -- Cereus-validus
>>>
>>>
>>> "bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email hidden]...
>>>> self control is not in the reach of everyone, which is the point of
>>>> this thread.
>>>> the human brain has many permutations, and some individuals have
>>>> pathological deficits in self control with respect to food.
>>>>
>>>> more to the point many of us in this forum are somewhere north of
>>>> this extreme, where self control is indeed theoretically possible,
>>>> but much more difficult than it is for other people. to ignore this
>>>> is to ignore the population segment models that have enabled
>>>> medicine to move forward for the last 40 years. One solution does
>>>> not fit all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "The Low-Carb Bartender" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>> news:sj5wd.505512$wV.412289@attbi_s54...
>>>>>
>>>>> "> If moderation worked for everyone, then none of us would really
>>>>> need LC, we
>>>>>> could just do LF or simply eat less of all kinds of foods. You
>>>>>> obviously
>>>>>> don't understand why that doesn't work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Self-control and personal responsibility work for everyone. You
>>>>> just have to stop the excuses and move on.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:56:03 GMT, Tom <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> I am still on low carb, but there is a lot of peer pressure to

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> about my Nazi-like attitude about it. I think that if I relax too

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> go back to eating too much because of hunger.

If you go off LC, and want to control your weight, you must limit how
much you eat.

Yes. I would then have to count calories.

Not necessary count -- I never counted calories except for a few test
days -- but limit them, yes.

I think I know what you are saying.

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> But you are right, if I do
> ever decide that eating at an increased carb level causes hunger to

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> unpleasant I could always become more strict.

Yes. Experiment with adding carbs from vegs first. Add them slowly.
Otherwise it is too easy to lose control, as others report.

My recent choice has been the inclusion of beans and lentils in

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amounts because of the higher fiber values. I like to also cut up a

carrot

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into a 2 to 3 day supply of salad veggies. Basically what ever I'm

adding is

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balanced by carbs verses nutrient value. I also intend to eat manderine
oranges as my dessert during this holiday season. I'll have to try and

limit

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what I include because I also want to see if these additions have any

affect

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on my former problems of shoulder joint pain(minor), and acid reflux.

Would be an interesting experiment.

Yes. I won't overdo it on any additions. I am very happy at this point
that I have good sleeps from the absence of the acid reflux. I would not
want to risk having it return.

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> Recently I have included beans occasionally to my list of

allowable

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> foods. Our homemade chili does not look like regular chili, as the

amount of

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> beans is small. It is largely chunks of cut up steak or roast with

some

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> added onions, celery, and green pepper, spices and A1 steak sauce,

tomato

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> sauce. I try to add little amounts of any higher carb item and see if

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> is any noticable affect in new recipes.
> The amounts that are included still don't satisfy what my friends

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> consider a reasonable diet.

Are your friends naturally thin, still fat, or thin because they lost
weight? Unless they are the latter, they will not understand you. I
would not try too hard to satisfy them, and, also, they will respect
you if you stick to your guns.

I am the slimmer than most everyone in my age range(46). These guys

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basically tried all the weightloss diets without success and have

basically

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concluded that this is there fate. They do understand about calories in

and

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out and the value of exercise, but find it too hard to stick with any

plan.

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The few that have tried lo-carb have resumed their former diets and the
weight has come back. There is only one other guy in my age category

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remains successful, actually 2 years longer than me. He only discusses

the

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diet with me because I am in agreement. His problem is similar to mine.

He

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will eat more carbs at work, while at home he eats more strict. I can

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why he is doing it this way.

Then maybe you can write off their reaction as envy of sorts.

If it is true, it would explain alot.

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The younger guys I would have thought to be more open about it. But

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are more naturally thin and don't understand about trying to lose

weight. Of

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course, it's because they are young and don't have those problems yet. I

was

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just like them at a younger age. If someone would have told me that I

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be 30lbs heavier in 10 years, I would have howled with laughter.
I believe that in another 10 years, these guys will go through the

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thing. Hopefully I will still be at goal weight at that time and can be

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help to them then.

My thought exactly. I doubt that your weight defines a big part of
your relationship with your friends, so, you can continue your own
thing and be their good friend.

Your probably right.

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> It is still to obvious to them that I am eating
> lo-carb.

So, you are slim, healthy, lost weight, and eating low carb. Sounds
good to me.

It seems odd to me that on one hand a person could say, "Hey you
look great", and aknowledge the health benefits. Then the next day
say that the style of eating is wrong and be concerned about my long
term health. Do they think I'm trading good health benefits now for
worse health later?

It is very difficult to overcome deeply embedded myths.

True.

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I think that after a while, your friends may learn something from you.

Other than peer pressure to conform, I have no problems at all with

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diet. Your right. They can learn from me, but I will have to set an

example

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and wait a few years. They have agreed that all the sugar they were

eating

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was not good. I think as they gain weight in the future, they will

remember

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my experiences. Talk is cheap. It's results that everyone wants to see.

Yes, talk is very cheap and results are the only thing that matters.

Thanks for your insight Ig.

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