The Killing Fields

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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

Another one posted here "by mistake" Angus?

You're either getting very forgetful in your old age or your really are a
sad old git.

Hey - mibbe both?

druidh

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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Dated September 2000, I see.

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Malcolm

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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Dated September 2000, I see.

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Malcolm

Even these killfiled idiots repeat on you like a bad curry....

T Dave R

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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Nah, don't use shotguns for birds.

Now my Remington 700 .223, perhaps....

--
Neil Barker

Neil Barker said:

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@aol.com says...

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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Nah, don't use shotg*ns for birds.

Now my Remington 700 .223, perhaps....

You're so virile, Neil.
--
ah

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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

.....and what's that got to do with walking?

Yet more vile propaganda?

David.

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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

Another one posted here "by mistake" Angus?

No, not this time.

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You're either getting very forgetful in your old age or your really are a
sad old git.

Hey - mibbe both?

Neither really. I think it's quite appropriate to post this in this
ng as walkers are in many cases members of the RSPB and they should
know a bit about what is going on.

Last year I wrote an open letter which was widely publicised to
Grahame Wynne about the killing and I am copying it below.

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Meikle Boturich
near Balloch
Dunbartonshire
G83 8LX

19 February 2005

Mr Grahame Wynne
Chief Executive
RSPB
The Lodge
Near Sandy
Bedfordshire
SG19 2TN

An Open Letter

Dear Mr Wynne

Less than Honest?

In the minds of most ordinary people, the RSPB is simply an
organisation that protects birds, and on that basis they become
members.

But is it really protecting birds other than those that are
financially rewarding in terms of publicity, grants and donations
brought in by emotional claims, and is it serious about reducing its
impact on the natural environment in the light of climate change?

Bird shooting on RSPB land

Early in 2003, I came across a British Association for Shooting and
Conservation web page, where it was revealed that shooters were
"managing" a wildfowl reserve for the RSPB. Within a day of me
bringing this to the attention of an Internet Newsgroup, the page was
removed. Following a telephone call to the RSPB headquarters in
Edinburgh, I wrote to them asking if they would identify the location
of this reserve. They didn't reply.

Later that year, I found the following message from a contributor to
an Internet wildfowling magazine, who said, "I shoot over marches
owned by the RSPB. They lease the Humber wildfowlers the shooting on
there and I suppose we sort of police them for the RSPB".

Consequently, I started to do some research and found that shooting
tenants on your Abernethy Reserve kill around 400 red grouse each
year. The RSPB's explanation is, "it is good for public relations as
the reserve is then not seen as divorced from normal country
pursuits".

This month I accessed two reports that stated:

· "Wildfowling is also permitted on RSPB land in the estuaries
of the Moray Firth, the Inner Clyde and the Firth of Forth". (Source:
Scottish Wildlife Trust)

· "NGO conservation bodies such as the Wildlife Trusts and RSPB
have wildfowling tenants on their reserves. Examples include Montrose
Basin (Scottish Wildlife Trust, Angus), Frampton Marsh (RSPB
Lincolnshire), Ouse Washes (RSPB Cambridgeshire), Tetney Marshes (RSPB
Lincolnshire). Locally, RSPB let sporting rights to Langstone &
District Wildfowling & Conservation Association (L&DW&CA) at the
Langstone Harbour RSPB reserve. Wardening at Langstone Harbour is a
co-operative and joint venture between RSPB, Local Authority and
L&WD&CA. In many cases wildfowling clubs lease sporting rights
jointly with conservation bodies to allow for co-0perative and
integrated management. Nearby examples include Langstone & District
Wildfowling & Conservation Association's joint Crown Estate leases
with the Hampshire Wildlife Trust and RSPB. In some cases wildfowling
clubs jointly own freehold with conservation bodies - eg. Fenland
Wildfowlers Association jointly own c.250 acres of the Welney Reserve
(Ouse Washes) with the Wildfowl and Wetlands Trust". (Source: West
Sussex Council)

From this it is clear that birds are being shot on RSPB land despite
its objectives as shown on the Charity Commission website, which are:

(a) To conserve wild birds and the wider environment on which wild
birds depend, maintaining bird numbers, diversity and natural
geographical distribution.
(b) To conserve natural and semi-natural habitats and to re-create
habitats.
(c) To encourage others to practice the conservation of wild birds
and habitats.
(d) To promote knowledge of conservation through education and
research.

In my experience many members are unaware of the RSPB's association
with shooters and are shocked when told of it, Obviously the RSPB is
aware of this; hence the difficulty in gleaning information.

Ask an awkward question and it is ignored!

It is bad enough when an organisation that purports to protect birds
fails to do so if enough members of a species are prevalent, but it is
dishonest if it supports and associates itself with those who seek to
harm birds, whilst at the same time accepting money from an
unsuspecting bird-caring public.

Damage to the Natural Environment

The RSPB has jumped on the conservation bandwagon of climate change
and is keen to advise the public of the consequences of global
warming.

On 3 February it posted a media release, warning of the dire
consequences of climate change for mankind and wildlife. (Source:
http://www.rspb.org.uk/Images/independentltr_tcm5-66310.pdf )

Yet what could the RSPB do to reduce its own emissions?

It could:

· Stop exploiting birds as visitor attractions that attracts
thousands of sightseers, in the full knowledge that most will come by
car.
· Close its environmentally damaging visitor centres.
· Close its car parks thereby actively discouraging motorists to
drive to its reserves.
· Stop hosting countryside fairs that attract thousands of
motorists.
· Stop using large mechanical diggers and loggers for
conservation work.
· Stop sending out unsolicited junk mail and newspaper inserts.
· Stop sending out thousands of "Birds" magazines, which are
environmentally damaging in their production, distribution and
disposal.
· Stop accepting pages of adverts in its "Birds" magazine that
entice people to travel at home and abroad.
· Set an openly revealed target for reducing staff's use of cars
both to travel to work and during operations and stick to it.
· Stop using pesticides.

Recently, RSPB Energy, of which the RSPB is a partner with Scottish &
Southern Energy, was censured by the Advertising Standards Authority
for misrepresenting its green energy scheme in adverts in RSPB
publications.
(Source: www.dartdorset.org/JE%20PR%20081204.pdf )

This was a shameful indictment, which conveyed the message that the
RSPB is more interested in its commission than making accurate claims
within its publications.

The RSPB should disassociate itself from all those who seek to harm
birds and not hide behind whether an activity is legal or otherwise.
Furthermore, if you believe in your media release of 3 February 2005,
you should take immediate steps to reduce your organisation's impact
on the natural environment.

To do nothing, displays a gross contempt for those who support the
RSPB to protect birds and care for the natural environment.

Yours sincerely

A Macmillan.

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BTW I still think walkers should pay for the maintenance of footpatha
and that fake conservationists should stop indulging in and
encouraging environmentally damaging activities.

Now the holidays are over I just don't have the time to respond, on a
line by line basis to those who support the fakes.

I might be getting on a bit but I still work,not because I need to,
but because I enjoy it. I think people should work till they drop.
That's what our ancestors did. Why should we be any different?
But that's another story and not something I'm going to write about on
a daily basis.

Exposing fake conservationists and supporting ARs is enough for me.

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

Another one posted here "by mistake" Angus?

You're either getting very forgetful in your old age or your really are a
sad old git.

Hey - mibbe both?

It's been posted in at least other just as unrelated newsgroup!

Alan

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druidh

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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Dated September 2000, I see.

You can't get more up to date than that!

Alan

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Neil Barker said:

In article <[email hidden]>, amacmil304
@aol.com says...

Quoted message said:

Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Nah, don't use shotg*ns for birds.

Now my Remington 700 .223, perhaps....

You're so virile, Neil.

You're just jealous!

Alan

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druidh said:

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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

Another one posted here "by mistake" Angus?

No, not this time.

Quoted message said:

You're either getting very forgetful in your old age or your really are a
sad old git.

Hey - mibbe both?

Neither really. I think it's quite appropriate to post this in this
ng as walkers are in many cases members of the RSPB and they should
know a bit about what is going on.

Wow! So how many other ngs are used by people who are members of the
RSPB? Must be loads. Do you treat them with the same lack of respect?

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SNIP

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Now the holidays are over I just don't have the time to respond, on a
line by line basis to those who support the fakes.

i.e. You're not willing/able to respond to an alternative viewpoint

That's OK - where I come from that's called bigotry.

Maybe you're missing the point of these discussion groups. the idea is
that you DISCUSS topics. Simply posting your viewpoint to obly vaguely
related groups and dissappearing off because you don't have time or
desire to respond is called "spamming".

druidh

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"Malcolm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Dated September 2000, I see.

You can't get more up to date than that!

Just further proof of how far Angus is divorced from reality :-)

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Malcolm

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druidh said:

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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Angus Macmillan

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Another one posted here "by mistake" Angus?

No, not this time.

Quoted message said:

You're either getting very forgetful in your old age or your really are a
sad old git.

Hey - mibbe both?

Neither really. I think it's quite appropriate to post this in this
ng as walkers are in many cases members of the RSPB and they should
know a bit about what is going on.

supposition

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Last year I wrote an open letter which was widely publicised to
Grahame Wynne about the killing and I am copying it below.

I won't be reading that then...

Alan Holmes said:

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Neil Barker said:

In article <[email hidden]>, amacmil304
@aol.com says...
> Read all about the killing fields:
>
> http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Nah, don't use shotg*ns for birds.

Now my Remington 700 .223, perhaps....

You're so virile, Neil.

You're just jealous!

Quiet, k0ok.
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ah

ah said:

Alan Holmes said:

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Neil Barker wrote:
> In article <[email hidden]>, amacmil304
> @aol.com says...
>> Read all about the killing fields:
>>
>> http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm
>
> Nah, don't use shotg*ns for birds.
>
> Now my Remington 700 .223, perhaps....

You're so virile, Neil.

You're just jealous!

Quiet, k0ok.

Quiet, k0ok.

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Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
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-- Darla aka Dr. Why aka Dr. Yubiwan aka Silouen aka ...

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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Old news, as Malcolm said.

Angus, until now I've occasionally read your posts on the conservation
group, just in case you said something interesting. Now you've decided
to be a true multi-group troll, you're in the killfile forever. If you
ever do manage to fashion a gemlike truth I'll never see it.

sarah

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Think of it as evolution in action.

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Alan Holmes said:

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Neil Barker wrote:
> In article <[email hidden]>, amacmil304
> @aol.com says...
>> Read all about the killing fields:
>>
>> http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm
>
> Nah, don't use shotg*ns for birds.
>
> Now my Remington 700 .223, perhaps....

You're so virile, Neil.

You're just jealous!

Quiet, k0ok.

So you are jealous?

Alan

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ah

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:46:35 +0000, [email hidden] (sarah)

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Read all about the killing fields:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm

Old news, as Malcolm said.

It wasn't meant to be "news". The more "The Killing Fields" is
highlighted the better. We screened the video in Edinburgh recently
and many people were shocked by the cruelty of the killers.

Interestingly, animal rights and welfare groups are now focusing their
attention on pheasant shooting and other related blood sports.

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Angus, until now I've occasionally read your posts on the conservation
group, just in case you said something interesting. Now you've decided
to be a true multi-group troll, you're in the killfile forever. If you
ever do manage to fashion a gemlike truth I'll never see it.

sarah

You'll never know what you're missing :-))

Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

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Alan Holmes said:

"ah" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Neil Barker wrote:
>> In article <[email hidden]>, amacmil304
>> @aol.com says...
>>> Read all about the killing fields:
>>>
>>> http://www.animalaid.org.uk/campaign/wildlife/killing3.htm
>>
>> Nah, don't use shotg*ns for birds.
>>
>> Now my Remington 700 .223, perhaps....
>
> You're so virile, Neil.

You're just jealous!

Quiet, k0ok.

So you are jealous?

Nup.
--
ah