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"The problem, Jan, is the "proof"."

Happy Oyster · 2004-03-12T22:47:44+00:00

From: [email hidden] (JDrew63929) Subject: Re: Charter for MHA Date: 1999/07/19 Message-ID: #1/1 References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative X-Admin: [email hidden] From: "A. Fox" Tthis is exactly why I DIDN'T tell you of my tests long ago. I knew you wouldn't believe it even with PROOF. The problem, Jan, is the "proof". Loa Loa is transmitted by one species of fly found in central and west Africa. I could find no reference to humna to human transmission. Additionally, it is a cutaneous/opthalmologic condition and don't think it can be found with stool studies. So, based on this, your Blue Mountain Lab report might be inaccurate. Unless, of course, you hvae traveled to Africa. You have proved me to be correct. You either disbelieve the lab, the doctor, or the study! I don't know anything about loa loa, but I had others, besides them, and I SAW some for myself, so why would I want another test? If you saw then yourself, jar them and take them to an entomologisdt for identification. You have forgotten how sick I was, how many trips I had taken to doctors and hospitals. I could barely get dressed to go, so I am going to go in and start doubting a certain name of a parasite? And you accuse me of not thinking things through? It appears you will find anything ole thing to debate. I don't think you are listening to reason. Reasoning? Sure glad none of you ever worked with kids! What's better Jan...knowing the truth as truth or beliveing a falsehood is truth? Precisely said, Jan. The fact that (you claim) the lab detected loiasis through a stool analysis calls the entire diagnosis into doubt. AF Right. Anything you say it right. Right? We have been all over this over and over. I do appreciate you and Ed calling me a liar. Thanks. At any rate, the problem is cleared up now, so don't let it bother you. Jan Regards, Aribert Deckers -- Reklame mit wahrheitswidrigen Behauptungen http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_wies.htm

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Happy Oyster
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12 March 2004, 22:47 UTC #1

<quote>
From: [email hidden] (JDrew63929)
Subject: Re: Charter for MHA
Date: 1999/07/19
Message-ID: <[email hidden]>#1/1
References:
<[email hidden]>
Organization: AOL aol.comaol.com
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
X-Admin: [email hidden]
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From: "A. Fox"
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Edward Mathes said:
JDrew63929 said:
Tthis is exactly why I DIDN'T tell you of my tests long
ago. I knew you wouldn't believe it even with PROOF.
The problem, Jan, is the "proof".
Loa Loa is transmitted by one species of fly found in
central and west

Africa. I
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could find no reference to humna to human transmission.
Additionally, it

is a
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cutaneous/opthalmologic condition and don't think it can
be found with

stool
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studies.
So, based on this, your Blue Mountain Lab report might be
inaccurate.
Unless, of course, you hvae traveled to Africa.
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You have proved me to be correct. You either disbelieve
the lab, the doctor, or the study! I don't know

anything
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about loa loa, but I had others, besides them, and I
SAW some for myself,

so
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why would I want another test?
If you saw then yourself, jar them and take them to an
entomologisdt for identification.
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You have forgotten how sick I was, how many trips I had
taken to doctors and hospitals. I could barely get
dressed to

go,
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so I am going to go in and start doubting a certain
name of a parasite?

And you
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accuse me of not thinking things through? It appears
you will find

anything ole
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thing to debate.
I don't think you are listening to reason.
Reasoning? Sure glad none of you ever worked with kids!
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What's better Jan...knowing the truth as truth or
beliveing a falsehood is

truth?
Precisely said, Jan. The fact that (you claim) the lab
detected loiasis through a stool analysis calls the entire
diagnosis into doubt.
AF
Right. Anything you say it right. Right? We have been all
over this over and over. I do appreciate you and Ed calling
me a liar. Thanks. At any rate, the problem is cleared up
now, so don't let it bother you.
Jan </quote>
Regards,
Aribert Deckers
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Reklame mit wahrheitswidrigen Behauptungen
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Kim
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13 March 2004, 03:01 UTC #2

"Happy Oyster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And what is the reputation of The Blue Mountain Lab? Has
anyone looked into this Lab?
Kim

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Debbee1023
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13 March 2004, 19:46 UTC #3

<< And what is the reputation of The Blue Mountain Lab? Has
anyone looked into this Lab? >>
Who cares, Kim?
"If you're gonna walk on thin ice, you may as well dance."
(Jessie Winchester).

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Jan
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13 March 2004, 23:32 UTC #4

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Subject: Re: "The problem, Jan, is the "proof"."
From: [email hidden] (DEBBEE1023)
Date: 3/13/2004 11:37 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>
<< And what is the reputation of The Blue Mountain Lab? Has
anyone looked into this Lab? >>
Who cares, Kim?
This is an example of how things get changed, in fact a Blue
Mountain Lab was never mentioned by me. Sadly Kim believe
everything the *gang*posts.
I guess Kim doesn't know how to search and see if there is a
Blue Mountain lab.
Jan

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Ilsa 9.100a
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14 March 2004, 01:33 UTC #5

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Subject: Re: "The problem, Jan, is the "proof"."
From: [email hidden] (DEBBEE1023)
Date: 3/13/2004 11:37 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>
<< And what is the reputation of The Blue Mountain Lab?
Has anyone looked into this Lab? >>
Who cares, Kim?
This is an example of how things get changed, in fact a
Blue Mountain Lab was never mentioned by me. Sadly Kim
believe everything the *gang*posts.
I guess Kim doesn't know how to search and see if there is
a Blue Mountain lab.
Jan
The name of the dubious testing center is called Great
Smokey. They don't know dog hair from human hair, but that
never stops them from fullfilling their patients toxic-of-the-
month fantasy.

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Kim
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14 March 2004, 05:47 UTC #6

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Why are you so obsessed with multiple addresses? Why do you
care? LEARN how to use your killfile. Have some kid show you
how they work if you do not comprehend the helpfiles.
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Kim
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14 March 2004, 05:47 UTC #7

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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This is an example of how things get changed, in fact a
Blue Mountain Lab

was
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never mentioned by me. Sadly Kim believe everything the
*gang*posts.
Then just tell us what Lab was used. Is that so hard? We can
then check for ourselves.
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I guess Kim doesn't know how to search and see if there is
a Blue Mountain

lab.
Why should I bother if someone else already did?
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Jan

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Kim
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14 March 2004, 06:02 UTC #8

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The name of the dubious testing center is called Great
Smokey. They don't

know
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dog hair from human hair, but that never stops them from
fullfilling their patients toxic-of-the-month fantasy.

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That doesn't surprise me. I suppose if they actually tested
what they received and found it negative, they'd soon be out
of business.
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personal conflicts between the posters here. I'm simply
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Mark Probert-Ma
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14 March 2004, 19:03 UTC #9

"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Happy Oyster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And what is the reputation of The Blue Mountain Lab? Has
anyone looked

into
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this Lab?
Strangely, it is not on the internet....
I found a Blue Mountan Water lab in Oregon...

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Mark Probert-Ma
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14 March 2004, 19:03 UTC #10

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Subject: Re: "The problem, Jan, is the "proof"." From:
[email hidden] (DEBBEE1023) Date: 3/13/2004
11:37 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <20040313143720.26484.00001435@mb-
m20.aol.com>
<< And what is the reputation of The Blue Mountain Lab?
Has anyone

looked
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into this Lab? >>
Who cares, Kim?
This is an example of how things get changed, in fact a
Blue Mountain Lab

was
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never mentioned by me. Sadly Kim believe everything the
*gang*posts.
I guess Kim doesn't know how to search and see if there
is a Blue

Mountain
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lab.
Jan
The name of the dubious testing center is called Great
Smokey. They don't

know
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dog hair from human hair, but that never stops them from
fullfilling their patients toxic-of-the-month fantasy.
Howling with laughter....

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Kim
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14 March 2004, 19:48 UTC #11

"DEBBEE1023" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040314132914.02929.00001344@mb-
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Interesting Quest verified the same information from the

other lab, that found
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my metals in my body. In fact their testing showed a
higher value...

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And this value was so high you set off metal detectors at
airports? Be glad you're still among the living.
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Kim
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14 March 2004, 19:48 UTC #12

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You are a liar and proud of it.

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Your Delusional Liarosis can be treated Jan. No need to
exist in a horror-land where everyone is a liar but
yourself.
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Kim
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14 March 2004, 19:48 UTC #13

"Mark Probert-March 14, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
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"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lf6dnQEC3M5E7s_dRVn-
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"Happy Oyster" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message
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And what is the reputation of The Blue Mountain Lab? Has
anyone looked

into
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this Lab?
Strangely, it is not on the internet....
I found a Blue Mountan Water lab in Oregon...

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And I found a Blue Mountain Fish Hatchery in the
southern USA.
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personal conflicts between the posters here. I'm simply
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Happy Oyster
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15 March 2004, 02:48 UTC #14

(Jan) said:
Quoted message said:
Subject: Re: "The problem, Jan, is the "proof"." From:
[email hidden] (DEBBEE1023) Date: 3/13/2004
11:37 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <20040313143720.26484.00001435@mb-
m20.aol.com>
<< And what is the reputation of The Blue Mountain Lab?
Has anyone looked into this Lab? >>
Who cares, Kim?
This is an example of how things get changed, in fact a
Blue Mountain Lab was never mentioned by me. Sadly Kim
believe everything the *gang*posts.
I guess Kim doesn't know how to search and see if there is
a Blue Mountain lab.
Jan
<quote> From: [email hidden] (JDrew63929) Subject: Re:
Charter for MHA Date: 1999/07/17 Message-ID: <19990717090639.14246.00000927@ng-
fm1.aol.com>#1/1 References:
<[email hidden]> Organization: AOL
aol.comaol.com Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative X-
Admin: [email hidden]
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From: Edward Mathes <[email hidden]> Date: Sat, 17
July 1999 08:26 AM EDT
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I know MD's do NOT check for parasites because NONE of
the MD's I went to checked for them. I went to Florida
Institute of health (alternative) they checked for them,
and found them. I went to MD's and told them, to check my
stomach, something was wrong. They barely touched my
stomach and said"feels

OK
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to me." I went home, read a book about cleansing. Took
SEVERAL enemas,

drank
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sauerkruat juice. God in heaven, I was loaded! My faith
in MD's hit

bottom.
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Jan, this is not a 'flip' question. I truely want an
answer.
How were the parasites identified and which one(s)
was(were) found?
They were identified by the Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab (AF
is wrong when he states this is not a good lab). The test
was Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis & Comprehensive
Parasitology X 1 Purge.
This is my post of 6/09/99. Sorry you missed it.
Some were from the loa loa family, some were pinworms,
tapeworms, ascaris, entamoeba histolytica, achorion
schoenlenini. From a comprehensive digestive stool analysis
& comprehensive parasitology X 1 purge. Great smoky
Diagnostic Lab.
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Jan
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Edward J. Mathes, RPA-C Physician Assistant Internal
Medicine
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Opinions above are mine and mine alone. Opinions above are
NOT medical advice. If you don't like these opinions, make
up some of your own.
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My spelling, syntax, denotation and grammar are perfect. It
is my typing that is bad.
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Regards,
Aribert Deckers
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Kim
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15 March 2004, 06:33 UTC #15

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"Happy Oyster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
They were identified by the Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab
(AF is wrong when he states this is not a good lab). The
test was Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis &
Comprehensive Parasitology X 1 Purge.
This is my post of 6/09/99. Sorry you missed it.
Some were from the loa loa family, some were pinworms,
tapeworms, ascaris, entamoeba histolytica, achorion
schoenlenini. From a comprehensive digestive stool
analysis & comprehensive parasitology X 1 purge. Great
smoky Diagnostic Lab.

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Is this for real? How would any reasonably clean person in
the USA become infested with so many parasites? Was she a
stool eater? Don't laugh, I heard about one at the Hospital
where I worked in the 1970s. She ate her own feces as well
as what the dogs left in the streets. She ate pigeon
droppings. She had some compulsion, some obsession with
feces as food. She was committed for 21 days observation.
Now if Jan was a feces eater......
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looking for answers.
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Rich.
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15 March 2004, 08:23 UTC #16

Kim said:

X-No-Archive: yes
Quoted message said:
Jan said:
This is my post of 6/09/99. Sorry you missed it.
Some were from the loa loa family, some were pinworms,
tapeworms, ascaris, entamoeba histolytica, achorion
schoenlenini. From a comprehensive digestive stool
analysis & comprehensive parasitology X 1 purge. Great
smoky Diagnostic Lab.

=============================
Is this for real? How would any reasonably clean person in
the USA become infested with so many parasites? Was she a
stool eater?
Well considering that Jan is full of [censored] it would not
surprise me if she suffered from coprophagia.
Aloha,
Rich
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Rich.
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15 March 2004, 08:23 UTC #17

Kim said:

X-No-Archive: yes
Quoted message said:
Jan said:
This is my post of 6/09/99. Sorry you missed it.
Some were from the loa loa family, some were pinworms,
tapeworms, ascaris, entamoeba histolytica, achorion
schoenlenini. From a comprehensive digestive stool
analysis & comprehensive parasitology X 1 purge. Great
smoky Diagnostic Lab.

=============================
Is this for real? How would any reasonably clean person in
the USA become infested with so many parasites? Was she a
stool eater?
Well considering that Jan is full of [censored] it would not
surprise me if she suffered from coprophagia.
Aloha,
Rich
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Rich.
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15 March 2004, 08:23 UTC #18

Kim said:

X-No-Archive: yes
Quoted message said:
Jan said:
This is my post of 6/09/99. Sorry you missed it.
Some were from the loa loa family, some were pinworms,
tapeworms, ascaris, entamoeba histolytica, achorion
schoenlenini. From a comprehensive digestive stool
analysis & comprehensive parasitology X 1 purge. Great
smoky Diagnostic Lab.

=============================
Is this for real? How would any reasonably clean person in
the USA become infested with so many parasites? Was she a
stool eater?
Well considering that Jan is full of [censored] it would not
surprise me if she suffered from coprophagia.
Aloha,
Rich
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