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  1. Believe you've had a harsh commute this morning? 4WD twunt cut you off? 4 cylinder [censored] failed to note your presence? Hah!

    Although I reckon these blokes must of had amazing bike handling skills, finely-honed to perfection on those clunky water-pipe frames. 😉

    *****

    They pedalled behind enemy lines
    http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=82e18b7b-752a-49b1-b2bd-0f5dc1d68066&k=87268
    Published: Monday, November 06, 2006

    Initially they were mocked — referred to as "the Gas Pipe Brigade," but they were some of the most valued Canadian soldiers. They were 1,200 men in the five battalions Canada sent into the war on bicycles.

    "These guys were amazing," says 63-year-old Dennis Thomassen of Ottawa. He began collecting bicycle infantry memorabilia about 20 years ago, when he first learned of their unsung military contribution.

    "They were the best and the brightest. That’s who the military was trying to recruit for this. They had to be special. They wanted these guys to be spies and guides, do intelligence behind enemy lines, report on troop movement, reconnaissance."

    The bicycle infantry was also sent behind enemy lines to do topography, interpretation and signalling. Cyclists would accompany troops as they advanced into battle, and often stay behind to tend to the wounded and dying in the aftermath.

    They soon became known as "the Suicide Cavalry" for their important, but dangerous work behind enemy lines.

    They carried and used a light machine-gun on their bikes, known as a Lewis Gun.

    The Canadian Cyclists also suffered some of the heaviest casualties of the war. Of the five battalions that went into the First World War, only enough men were left at the end to cobble together one full battalion.

    "By World War I, we were starting to see the use of tanks, and these guys were on bikes," says Mr. Thomassen. "So at first they took a lot of humiliation.

    Yet, they proved themselves as critical and as crucial in battle as tanks. Bikes were quiet and stealthy. One man on a bike patrol can really cover a lot more ground than a guy on foot."

    Bikes could also travel faster in bombed-out territory, were swift when travelling in the dark and didn’t require fuel. Unlike horses they also didn’t need to be fed or bedded. All the cyclists needed was an oil can and a tire pump.

    Mr. Thomassen says the Boer War in Africa in 1899 was the testing ground for using bicycles in warfare. They were found to be particularly good for dispatching and patrolling, enforcing curfews and for riot control in congested cities for "swift, silent cordoning of small areas", according to The Man Powered Military Vehicle, in the Army and Defence Journal, Vol. 101.

    Another account describes Major B.F.S. Baden-Powell of the 1st Battalion Scots Guards using a collapsible bicycle which carried a kite. "The kite was used at first for taking photographs of the camp by a remotely controlled camera, and later for raising an aerial for experiments in wireless telegraphy," according to historian J.M. Cuthbert.

    Bikes were still used in the Second World War, but with less success. But Thomassen says the bikes proved to be too cumbersome and often had to be abandoned in battle.

    "It didn’t work," Mr. Thomassen says. "They were just too heavy. And by then the military was evolving into using motorized bikes."

    Mr. Thomassen’s interest in bicycles is more than just a hobby. He also owns two shops, Fresh Air Experience in Ottawa and another store by the same name in Thunder Bay that specialize in cycling and cross country skiing. He figures he’s got about 25 antique bikes in his collection right now, dating from 1866 to 1984. But the jewel in his collection is his World War I military bicycle.

    "I have bikes that are more valuable than that one," he says, "but it is very rare. Those bikes didn’t usually come back."

    He also has another 1898 militia bike plus a collection of silver match boxes, cups, medals, bugles and bicycle lamps bearing the Canadian Cyclists insignia, photographs and a number of personal letters penned by members of the Corps. Prominent in his collection is a copy of an obituary for Captain W.D. Ellis, the last surviving member of the Canadian bicycle infantry who passed away in Toronto in 1996. He was 100 years old.

    It is a collection worthy of a museum, but Mr. Thomassen isn’t sure he’s ready to pass the material on. He doesn’t want to see this colourful chapter of Canada’s military history "languish in a back room in storage."

    "At least if it’s with a collector, you have it on display, or you’re trying to promote it. I have some very unique stuff," he says. "Certainly it should never leave Canada."

  2. I would like to test out a Lewis gun while riding a bicycle.

    Donga

  3. Donga said:

    I would like to test out a Lewis gun while riding a bicycle.

    Donga


    Don't give Lotte ideas. The shottie's bad enough!

    --
    Karen

    "Reverse the polarity and invert the particle flux!"
    "You mean put the batteries in the other way?"
    "...yes."
    -Star Trek (any of them)

  4. Duracell Bunny said:


    Don't give Lotte ideas. The shottie's bad enough!

    What exactly is she packing? A ex DoD issue armalite?!?

  5. Donga said:

    I would like to test out a Lewis gun while riding a bicycle.

    Donga


    "light" machine gun = 12kg (without ammunition)!!!

    When mounted on an aircraft where the gun would be naturally cooled by the airstream, they removed the cooling jacket and fins and reduced the weight to 9kg.

    Donga, if you were doing, say, 80kph on your bike, it would probably be OK to use the lighter weight version.

    SteveA

  6. cfsmtb said:

    Bikes were still used in the Second World War, but with less success.
    But Thomassen says the bikes proved to be too cumbersome and often had
    to be abandoned in battle.

    The article forgets to mention the important role that bicycles played
    in the swift advance by the Japanese through much of Asia. Not only
    did troops advance much more quickly than Allied war planners were
    expecting, they also had a psychological warfare element to them
    because when the tires went flat the Japanese just rode them on the
    bare rims. The sound of hundreds of cyclists riding on metal rims on
    rough roads apparently sounded a lot like tanks.

    Travis

  7. SteveA said:


    Donga, if you were doing, say, 80kph on your bike, it would probably be
    OK to use the lighter weight version.

    It depends on the number of rounds that you want to put through them. I
    believe the Lewis was a heavy machine gun for set placement and had a
    belt feed, hence the need for cooling.

    OTOH, the Bren gun was a light(6kg?) machine gun[1] and designed to be
    manouverable, but it only had a magazine load. If you had a supply of
    magazines, it too developed cooling problems and lost accurracy.

    Vague memories from school cadets. {:-).

    [1] it was definitely light compared to those twin pack WWII era radios
    we had to cart around.

  8. In aus.bicycle on Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:52:33 +1100

    Terryc said:


    OTOH, the Bren gun was a light(6kg?) machine gun[1] and designed to be
    manouverable, but it only had a magazine load. If you had a supply of
    magazines, it too developed cooling problems and lost accurracy.

    And it was also WWII vintage 🙂

    They didn't have anything lighter than the Lewis in the Great War I
    don't think. The tommy gun was 1920s, don't think it was done in time
    for the trenches.

    Why they needed a machine gun instead of something easier to handle I
    dunno. Maybe because they hadn't invented the pump action magazine
    shotgun.

    Zebee

  9. "Donga" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I would like to test out a Lewis gun while riding a bicycle.

    Donga


    Post the video on YouTube once you've finished (or arrange for your next of
    kin to)

  10. SteveA said:
    Donga said:

    I would like to test out a Lewis gun while riding a bicycle.

    Donga


    "light" machine gun = 12kg (without ammunition)!!!

    When mounted on an aircraft where the gun would be naturally cooled by
    the airstream, they removed the cooling jacket and fins and reduced the
    weight to 9kg.

    Donga, if you were doing, say, 80kph on your bike, it would probably be
    OK to use the lighter weight version.

    SteveA

    --
    SteveA

    I would cope. The outcome would be so good. Tradies would respek me. R
    E S P E K.

    Donga

  11. "Donga" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    SteveA said:
    Donga said:

    I would like to test out a Lewis gun while riding a bicycle.

    Donga


    "light" machine gun = 12kg (without ammunition)!!!

    When mounted on an aircraft where the gun would be naturally cooled
    by the airstream, they removed the cooling jacket and fins and
    reduced the weight to 9kg.

    Donga, if you were doing, say, 80kph on your bike, it would probably
    be OK to use the lighter weight version.

    SteveA

    --
    SteveA

    I would cope. The outcome would be so good. Tradies would respek me. R
    E S P E K.

    Donga

    And if it was mounted rearwards, you could get to 80kph quite easily ...

    --
    beerwolf
    (To reply by email, remove numbers from my address)

  12. Zebee Johnstone said:

    And it was also WWII vintage 🙂

    But it matched the rifles, radios and food they gave cadets in the 70's {:-)

    Quoted message said:

    Why they needed a machine gun instead of something easier to handle I
    dunno.

    Trench warfare major defensive guns to deal with infantry charges. {:-(.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe because they hadn't invented the pump action magazine
    shotgun.

    Machine guns had the range, (slightly) better accuracy, greater fire
    rate and large "magazine'. {:-(.

  13. Terryc said:

    Zebee Johnstone wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And it was also WWII vintage 🙂

    But it matched the rifles, radios and food they gave cadets in the
    70's {:-)

    Quoted message said:

    Why they needed a machine gun instead of something easier to handle I
    dunno.

    Trench warfare major defensive guns to deal with infantry charges.
    {:-(.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe because they hadn't invented the pump action magazine
    shotgun.

    Machine guns had the range, (slightly) better accuracy, greater fire
    rate and large "magazine'. {:-(.

    In cadets we got intimate with the Vickers, also watercooled. I remember the
    optimum range for best spread was one mile. A shottie doesn't quite do that.
    Machine guns were designed to be used against infantry, and were designed to
    be operated from out of accurate range of the infantry-man's weapon. And
    mobile enough to be hard to hit with artillary.

    Queue "The Bravery of Firing from Out of Range" on Amused to Death by Roger
    Waters.

    Theo

  14. quote='Donga'SteveA said:
    Donga said:

    I would like to test out a Lewis gun while riding a bicycle.

    Donga


    "light" machine gun = 12kg (without ammunition)!!!

    When mounted on an aircraft where the gun would be naturally cooled by
    the airstream, they removed the cooling jacket and fins and reduced the
    weight to 9kg.

    Donga, if you were doing, say, 80kph on your bike, it would probably be
    OK to use the lighter weight version.

    SteveA

    --
    SteveA

    I would cope. The outcome would be so good. Tradies would respek me. R
    E S P E K.

    Donga[/QUOTE]

    "Hey, Mr Plumber, can you spell R P G?"

    "Hey Mr Builder, can you tell me what RPG stands for?"

    If he says "Rocket Propelled Grenade" - click, whoosh, bang, ouch.

    (The correct answer is Ruchnoy Protivotankovy Granatomyot" (Ручной противотанковый гранатомёт = РПГ) which correctly translated into English is "Handheld Anti-tank Grenade-launcher", ie HAGL. )

    SteveA

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