Threat from a Typical Mountain Biker

You must really like to generallize people. It seems to me that you like to take the actions of a few bad apples in a group(mountainbikers) and apply thier actions to the whole group and then badmouth them.

Since you have shown on this board that you like to stereotype mountain bikers then I'm sure you also believe that all blacks are criminals, all jews are greedy and all mexicans are lazy--etc...etc..

IMO, if you stereotype one group them you must sterotype them all.

Now excuse me while I get out and go ride some of the beautiful trails here in WV.

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You must really like to generallize people. It seems to me that you like to take the actions of a
few bad apples in a group(mountainbikers) and apply thier actions to the whole group and then
badmouth them.

Since you have shown on this board that you like to stereotype mountain bikers then I'm sure you
also believe that all blacks are criminals, all jews are greedy and all mexicans are lazy--
etc...etc..

IMO, if you stereotype one group them you must sterotype them all.

Now excuse me while I get out and go ride some of the beautiful trails here in WV.

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Have a wall near you? Ram your head into it. You'll get the same satisfaction.

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:51:20 GMT, DaveWV <[email hidden]> wrote:

.You must really like to generallize people. It seems to me that you like .to take the actions of a
few bad apples in a group(mountainbikers) and .apply thier actions to the whole group and then
badmouth them.

Exactly the point. It ISN'T just a few bad apples. It is typical of all the mountain bikers I have
met, in person or on the 'net.

.Since you have shown on this board that you like to stereotype mountain .bikers

It's called "observation". Just like science, it is valid to generalize from a large sample.

then I'm sure you also believe that all blacks are criminals, all .jews are greedy and all mexicans
are lazy--etc...etc.. . .IMO, if you stereotype one group them you must sterotype them all.

Sorry, wrong.

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On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:07:00 -0500, "Marty" <[email hidden]> wrote:

. ."DaveWV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
."]news:[email hidden]... .> You must really like to generallize people. It
seems to me that you like .> to take the actions of a few bad apples in a group(mountainbikers) and
.> apply thier actions to the whole group and then badmouth them. .> .> Since you have shown on this
board that you like to stereotype mountain .> bikers then I'm sure you also believe that all blacks
are criminals, all .> jews are greedy and all mexicans are lazy--etc...etc.. .> .> IMO, if you
stereotype one group them you must sterotype them all. .> .> Now excuse me while I get out and go
ride some of the beautiful trails .> here in WV. .> .> .> .> -- .> .> . .Have a wall near you? Ram
your head into it. You'll get the same .satisfaction.

Ah ... the voice of experience! 🙂
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.You must really like to generallize people. It seems to me that you like .to take the actions of
a few bad apples in a group(mountainbikers) and .apply thier actions to the whole group and then
badmouth them.

Exactly the point. It ISN'T just a few bad apples. It is typical of all

the

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mountain bikers I have met, in person or on the 'net.

.Since you have shown on this board that you like to stereotype mountain .bikers

It's called "observation". Just like science, it is valid to generalize

from a

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large sample.

then I'm sure you also believe that all blacks are criminals, all .jews are greedy and all
mexicans are lazy--etc...etc.. . .IMO, if you stereotype one group them you must sterotype
them all.

Sorry, wrong.

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hehehe, you are really incredible.

you quote science allowing you to generalize yet you always forget the first rule of science. In God
we trust. In all else, provide data.

the funny thing is that for the amount of carbon dioxide that comes out of your mouth, you can
never provide any data to support your statements. You simply resort to the "liar, liar, pants on
fire" defense or the always popular "I have a PhD and you don't so I must be right". of course,
you fail to include in that argument that your post graduate degree has zero to do with ecology,
environmental conservation, or essentially anything else relevent to your rambling statements.
But then, admitting as much would discredit yourself further so it's obvious why you don't bring
those facts up.

if you actually presented an actual scientific paper on "typical Mountain Bikers" to your colleagues
in acedemia (not the other enviro-quacks you hang out with but actual academic colleagues who are
smart and like, publish) without providing any actual scientific data that can be substantiated by
independent testing (you know, like all research is supposed to be able to be verified by
independent people) you'd be laughed right out of the conference.

Oh well, continue to spew your lies and claim superior intellignece over us stoopid peeple.

Michael

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.Since you have shown on this board that you like to stereotype mountain .bikers

It's called "observation". Just like science, it is valid to generalize

from a

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large sample.

Why are observations just like science when you make them, but lies when anybody else makes them?

I have over 30 years of observations that say your observations are inaccurate at best more than 95%
of the time. Your observations are rooted in science while mine are rooted in lies. How, exactly,
does that work?

It astounds me that you go around making brash generalizations that everybody that engages in a
particular activity is wrong, then you complain that a few of those people get annoyed enough to
hurl insults back in your face. Isn't that similar to the plight of the black community when some
insensitive idiot calls them all [censored], then complains that somebody beats the [censored] out of him in
a dark alley?

You are a moron and a buffoon, but I would never say that all PhDs share these traits. These traits
are not unique to you by any stretch of the imagination, but they are traits that only you have as
far as I can discern.

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Thanks -- you are really helping your cause!

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see you in china camp 2morrow - come see us and we will take you for a

ride you

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will never forget, trails are wet... tires run deep. we be looking for

roots

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and trail boundaries to stick our big fat off road meat into.

love and kisses, hope to run you over.

btw... go raw! NOTHING OVER 105!!!

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On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:31:53 -0800, "RobD" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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.ride you .> will never forget, trails are wet... tires run deep. we be looking for .roots .> and
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:49:27 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]> wrote:

. ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
."]news:[email hidden]... .> .Since you have shown on this board that you
like to stereotype mountain .> .bikers .> .> It's called "observation". Just like science, it is
valid to generalize .from a .> large sample. .> . .Why are observations just like science when you
make them, but lies when .anybody else makes them?

Because you LIE. DUH!

.I have over 30 years of observations that say your observations are .inaccurate at best more than
95% of the time.

You are talking about opinions, NOT observations. You don't even know what an observation is.

Your observations are rooted .in science while mine are rooted in lies. How, exactly, does
that work?

I don't know. Why do you lie so much?

.It astounds me that you go around making brash generalizations that .everybody that engages in a
particular activity is wrong, then you complain .that a few of those people get annoyed enough to
hurl insults back in your .face. Isn't that similar to the plight of the black community when some
.insensitive idiot calls them all [censored], then complains that somebody beats .the [censored] out of him
in a dark alley? . .You are a moron and a buffoon, but I would never say that all PhDs share .these
traits. These traits are not unique to you by any stretch of the .imagination, but they are traits
that only you have as far as I can discern.

You discern zip, liar.
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:49:27 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <[email hidden]>

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. ."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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you like to stereotype

mountain

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.> .bikers .> .> It's called "observation". Just like science, it is valid to generalize .from a
.> large sample. .> . .Why are observations just like science when you make them, but lies when
.anybody else makes them?

Because you LIE. DUH!

And you don't?

Yeah, right!

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.I have over 30 years of observations that say your observations are .inaccurate at best more than
95% of the time.

You are talking about opinions, NOT observations. You don't even know what

an

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observation is.

Wrong. I am talking about observations. You apparently do not know what an opinion is.

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Your observations are rooted .in science while mine are rooted in lies. How, exactly, does
that work?

I don't know. Why do you lie so much?

That was a rhetorical question, idiot.

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.It astounds me that you go around making brash generalizations that .everybody that engages in a
particular activity is wrong, then you

complain

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.that a few of those people get annoyed enough to hurl insults back in

your

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.face. Isn't that similar to the plight of the black community when some .insensitive idiot calls
them all [censored], then complains that somebody

beats

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.the [censored] out of him in a dark alley? . .You are a moron and a buffoon, but I would never say that
all PhDs share .these traits. These traits are not unique to you by any stretch of the
.imagination, but they are traits that only you have as far as I can

discern.

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You discern zip, liar.

Yeah, right.

Your lies are scientific observation when everybody else's observations are lies. You really need to
pull your head out of your ass and take a breath of fresh air.

Mike is a toll with a degree. This makes him the absolute worst kind of troll because people that
don't know better will think his degree makes him credible, and silence from those that do know
better simply add credence to the mistake of those that do not know better.

You can choose to ignore my trolling, and nobody will know the difference because I haven't got the
degree. But when a PhD speaks out, the knee-jerk reaction of lesser people is to nod approvingly and
take the comments at face value. Mike's comments MUST NEVER be taken at face value.

Jeff Strickland said:

Mike is a toll with a degree. This makes him the absolute worst kind of troll because people that
don't know better will think his degree makes him credible, and silence from those that do know
better simply add credence to the mistake of those that do not know better.

You can choose to ignore my trolling, and nobody will know the difference because I haven't
got the degree. But when a PhD speaks out, the knee-jerk reaction of lesser people is to
nod approvingly and take the comments at face value. Mike's comments MUST NEVER be taken at
face value.

No, "Mike" is an experimental computer up at MIT that has been charged with creating and defending a
social position. "His" parameters are: -develop a socially acceptable, evironmentally-centric cause
-promote this cause -defend this cause -defend "his" character when contradicted -use logic and counter-
logic to develop plausible arguments

Quite a project for the real PhDs up there! Many bugs to overcome...

John

John Galt said:

No, "Mike" is an experimental computer up at MIT that has been charged with creating and defending
a social position. "His" parameters are: -develop a socially acceptable, evironmentally-centric
cause -promote this cause -defend this cause -defend "his" character when contradicted -use logic
and counter-logic to develop plausible arguments

Quite a project for the real PhDs up there! Many bugs to overcome...

My old Pong Machine had more logic in its little paddle than the Vandebaitor.

Bill "Duh!" S.

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.Why are observations just like science when you make them, but lies when .anybody else
makes them?

Because you LIE. DUH!

Un-[censored]-believable.

John Galt said:

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No, "Mike" is an experimental computer up at MIT that has been charged with creating and defending
a social position. "His" parameters are: -develop a socially acceptable, evironmentally-centric
cause -promote this cause -defend this cause -defend "his" character when contradicted -use logic
and counter-logic to develop plausible arguments

Quite a project for the real PhDs up there! Many bugs to overcome...

John

Yep. Beginning with step 1; it's clear they're really stuck on that one.

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John Galt wrote:-

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No, "Mike" is an experimental computer up at MIT that has been charged with creating and defending
a social position. "His" parameters are: -develop a socially acceptable, evironmentally-centric
cause -promote this cause -defend this cause -defend "his" character when contradicted -use logic
and counter-logic to develop plausible arguments

Quite a project for the real PhDs up there! Many bugs to overcome...

John

That was similar to my theory, but mike is a complex AI programme intended to try and pass the
Turing test.

Graham Haller said:

John Galt wrote:-

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No, "Mike" is an experimental computer up at MIT that has been charged with creating and
defending a social position. "His" parameters are: -develop a socially acceptable, evironmentally-
centric cause -promote this cause -defend this cause -defend "his" character when contradicted
-use logic and counter-logic to develop plausible arguments

Quite a project for the real PhDs up there! Many bugs to overcome...

John

That was similar to my theory, but mike is a complex AI programme intended to try and pass the
Turing test.

You give too much credit.

MIT pranks tend to be much more entertaining and clever.

They say that if you give a million monkeys a million keyboards and let them type away, one will
produce the works of Shakespeare.

Mikey may be one of the other 999,999.

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Graham Haller said:

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That was similar to my theory, but mike is a complex AI programme intended to try and pass the
Turing test.

No contest. The self-propelled, auto-recharging corkscrew wins hands down.

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Gary S. said:

They say that if you give a million monkeys a million keyboards and let them type away, one will
produce the works of Shakespeare.

The only flaw here is that I belive the equation also allows a billion years. We don't have that
much time; the ice in my drink will melt before then.

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Mikey may be one of the other 999,999.

Nah. That's too many possible votes in agreement with Mikey's monomaniacle blither-blather. In this
small fraction of the stipulated billion years, I've only seen one "maybe."

Pete H

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