Time Pedal Q's

Rob W said:

I have a set of Time Impact pedals, which are not particularly old.
During a race on last Sunday, the left pedal was creating distinct
popping sounds/sensations during downstrokes.

COMMON with these paedals, why they redesigned them altho they still
have this problem.

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Can these pedals be serviced or rebuilt? Any idea as to the cause of
the sensation? I'm fairly adept with my hands -- where can I get
service information?

Snap ring inside of pedal threads, wgere the only bearing lives..pull
outguts, get Time thin shim, install again...or the best bet, get
'other' pedals, like Sppedplay Zero, Look kep or even(gasp) shimano.

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If replacement is the advisable way to go, is the Shimano Dura-Ace
PD-7800 or the latest comparable Time pedal the way to go?

See above. shimano, alhto a good pedal, is a LOOK clone. Take a wander
down to the bike shop that knows of these things and ask about
Zeros...changed from Campag about 5 years ago, won't go back.

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Thanks and regards,

Rob

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Zeros...changed from Campag about 5 years ago, won't go back.

Zero's are great pedals but the adjustment of the float is a joke. The
tiny hex screws in plastic won't stay put especially when they are worn
a bit. Float is always max after a while. I'm used to it now so next
time I get the X-serie; easier to get in, easier to get out.

Lou
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Lou Holtman said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Zeros...changed from Campag about 5 years ago, won't go back.

Zero's are great pedals but the adjustment of the float is a joke. The
tiny hex screws in plastic won't stay put especially when they are worn
a bit. Float is always max after a while.

Has anyone else had the experience with these pedals float control not
working after a awhile? I'm considering these pedals in the future.
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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Lou Holtman said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Zeros...changed from Campag about 5 years ago, won't go back.

Zero's are great pedals but the adjustment of the float is a joke. The
tiny hex screws in plastic won't stay put especially when they are worn
a bit. Float is always max after a while.

Has anyone else had the experience with these pedals float control not
working after a awhile? I'm considering these pedals in the future.

I've been using the Zeros for about 3 years, and don't have any trouble
with the float control. But I have mine set at the max float anyway.
My feet tend to point out, so I need all the float.

When I was looking I was tempted to get the X series, since I didn't
really see the value of limiting out the float. The deciding factor for
me was the Zero uses a different spring in the cleat than the X series.
I've read that the X series spring allows dirt to get behind it and can
cause problems unclipping.

The Zero spring might make it a little harder than the X series to clip
in, but I've never had any problem getting out.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:52:52 -0500, Mark Heiple <[email hidden]>

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When I was looking I was tempted to get the X series, since I didn't
really see the value of limiting out the float.

Clearly not a problem for you, but excessive float may contribute to
hamstring stress or injury.

From http://www.cyclingnews.com/letters/?id=2002/jun22letters

The hamstring help stabilise the leg when pedalling. There can be
several factors that contributed hamstring injuries:
1) Lack of flexibility (biggest factor) in the hip region.
2) Too much pedal float or improper cleat position.
3) Dropping your heel when climbing and/or pushing big gears.
4) Hamstring strength to quadricep strength ratio.
5) Saddle height to high and/or sitting to far back on the saddle.
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Lou Holtman said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Zeros...changed from Campag about 5 years ago, won't go back.

Zero's are great pedals but the adjustment of the float is a joke. The
tiny hex screws in plastic won't stay put especially when they are worn
a bit. Float is always max after a while. I'm used to it now so next
time I get the X-serie; easier to get in, easier to get out.

Lou
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Sorry, don't agree. I use Zeros on both my bikes, have for about 3
years, have limited float by design and have never had to adjust it,
the screws have never worked their way out. Plus, of the 40-50 pairs we
have sold, never heard of this complaint.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Lou Holtman said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Zeros...changed from Campag about 5 years ago, won't go back.

Zero's are great pedals but the adjustment of the float is a joke. The
tiny hex screws in plastic won't stay put especially when they are worn
a bit. Float is always max after a while. I'm used to it now so next
time I get the X-serie; easier to get in, easier to get out.

Lou
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Sorry, don't agree. I use Zeros on both my bikes, have for about 3
years, have limited float by design and have never had to adjust it,
the screws have never worked their way out. Plus, of the 40-50 pairs we
have sold, never heard of this complaint.

Well we don't agree then, no problem. I have two bikes with zero's and
three pair of shoes. I always set de float to a minimum when I install
the cleats. After a while I had lots of float on all three pairs. I
asked my LBS and he said 'common problem'. When I installed the last
pair off cleats I payed extra attention; degreased the tiny screw and
applied some Loctite....no luck. Maybe my feet make a strange move when
pedalling rocking that tiny M3 screw in plastic loose, but a flimsy M3
screw in flexibel plastic is a bad design IMO.
Well I'm used to the float now, but I still hate when my ankle hit the
chainstay when I'm accelerate out of the saddle.

Lou
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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Rob W said:

I have a set of Time Impact pedals, which are not particularly old.
During a race on last Sunday, the left pedal was creating distinct
popping sounds/sensations during downstrokes.

COMMON with these paedals, why they redesigned them altho they still
have this problem.

Quoted message said:

Can these pedals be serviced or rebuilt? Any idea as to the cause of
the sensation? I'm fairly adept with my hands -- where can I get
service information?

Snap ring inside of pedal threads, wgere the only bearing lives..pull
outguts, get Time thin shim, install again...or the best bet, get
'other' pedals, like Sppedplay Zero, Look kep or even(gasp) shimano.

Quoted message said:

What is a "Time thin shim"? Is that some Time tool or part? Where is
it available? I pull out the guts, WD40 the cartridge, blow dry, air
dry, pump in fresh grease and reinstall.

Are the "popping" sounds/sensations normally fixed by
cleaning/regreasing, in your experience? And do they recur? I've
gone 10's of thousands of miles on a pair of impacts without incident.
Maybe 10k miles on newer RXS's too without problems.

Also, is there a tool available to open up the newer generation RXS?
Or some procedure you're aware of or have used? Or some documentation?

I thought I'd finally found "the" petal.

Bill Westphal

Bill Westphal said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Rob W said:

I have a set of Time Impact pedals, which are not particularly old.
During a race on last Sunday, the left pedal was creating distinct
popping sounds/sensations during downstrokes.

COMMON with these paedals, why they redesigned them altho they still
have this problem.

Quoted message said:

Can these pedals be serviced or rebuilt? Any idea as to the cause of
the sensation? I'm fairly adept with my hands -- where can I get
service information?

Snap ring inside of pedal threads, wgere the only bearing lives..pull
outguts, get Time thin shim, install again...or the best bet, get
'other' pedals, like Sppedplay Zero, Look kep or even(gasp) shimano.

Quoted message said:

What is a "Time thin shim"? Is that some Time tool or part? Where is
it available? I pull out the guts, WD40 the cartridge, blow dry, air
dry, pump in fresh grease and reinstall.

Thin shim supplied by Time to be installed under the bearing as they
wear, spindle gets loose and then they 'click'.

Quoted message said:

Are the "popping" sounds/sensations normally fixed by
cleaning/regreasing, in your experience? And do they recur? I've
gone 10's of thousands of miles on a pair of impacts without incident.
Maybe 10k miles on newer RXS's too without problems.

Also, is there a tool available to open up the newer generation RXS?
Or some procedure you're aware of or have used? Or some documentation?

Good snap ring tool...

Quoted message said:

I thought I'd finally found "the" petal.

Bill Westphal

Lou Holtman said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Lou Holtman said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

>Zeros...changed from Campag about 5 years ago, won't go back.

Zero's are great pedals but the adjustment of the float is a joke. The
tiny hex screws in plastic won't stay put especially when they are worn
a bit. Float is always max after a while. I'm used to it now so next
time I get the X-serie; easier to get in, easier to get out.

Lou
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Sorry, don't agree. I use Zeros on both my bikes, have for about 3
years, have limited float by design and have never had to adjust it,
the screws have never worked their way out. Plus, of the 40-50 pairs we
have sold, never heard of this complaint.

Well we don't agree then, no problem. I have two bikes with zero's and
three pair of shoes. I always set de float to a minimum when I install
the cleats. After a while I had lots of float on all three pairs. I
asked my LBS and he said 'common problem'.

Gotta wonder why you and the LBS, seem to see this problem all the time
and we have never seen it.

Can ya give me the bike's shop name? I'd like to hear what they have
seen.

When I installed the last

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pair off cleats I payed extra attention; degreased the tiny screw and
applied some Loctite....no luck. Maybe my feet make a strange move when
pedalling rocking that tiny M3 screw in plastic loose, but a flimsy M3
screw in flexibel plastic is a bad design IMO.
Well I'm used to the float now, but I still hate when my ankle hit the
chainstay when I'm accelerate out of the saddle.

Lou
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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Lou Holtman said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Lou Holtman wrote:

>Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
>
>
>>Zeros...changed from Campag about 5 years ago, won't go back.
>
>Zero's are great pedals but the adjustment of the float is a joke. The
>tiny hex screws in plastic won't stay put especially when they are worn
>a bit. Float is always max after a while. I'm used to it now so next
>time I get the X-serie; easier to get in, easier to get out.
>
>Lou
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Sorry, don't agree. I use Zeros on both my bikes, have for about 3
years, have limited float by design and have never had to adjust it,
the screws have never worked their way out. Plus, of the 40-50 pairs we
have sold, never heard of this complaint.

Well we don't agree then, no problem. I have two bikes with zero's and
three pair of shoes. I always set de float to a minimum when I install
the cleats. After a while I had lots of float on all three pairs. I
asked my LBS and he said 'common problem'.

Gotta wonder why you and the LBS, seem to see this problem all the time
and we have never seen it.

My own experiences are the best ;-)

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Can ya give me the bike's shop name? I'd like to hear what they have
seen.

Sure but you have to speak Dutch ;-). They have a product review section
on their (awful) website. This is what they say about the Zero's:

http://www.moosehead.nl/shop/pb/p.htm

Translation and I quote:

'...This pedal has also three versions (chromo, stainless, titanium) but
has as an extra feature adjustable float. Buy or not? Don't buy!!!
The float adjusting screw sits in plastic that is too soft. Many people
push that screw right through the plastic threads. After that you have a
pedal with no float adjustment, and that was just the reason you bought
them. Also the spring in the cleat is surrounded by too soft material
causing vertical play. Also the highly appreciated ease of entry of the
X series is gone for a great deal. This proves again that a manufacturer
must keep opinionated and stick to their first brilliant design....'

Keep in mind that they are very very Speedplay minded.

Lou
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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Bill Westphal said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Rob W wrote:
> I have a set of Time Impact pedals, which are not particularly old.
> During a race on last Sunday, the left pedal was creating distinct
> popping sounds/sensations during downstrokes.

COMMON with these paedals, why they redesigned them altho they still
have this problem.
>
> Can these pedals be serviced or rebuilt? Any idea as to the cause of
> the sensation? I'm fairly adept with my hands -- where can I get
> service information?

Snap ring inside of pedal threads, wgere the only bearing lives..pull
outguts, get Time thin shim, install again...or the best bet, get
'other' pedals, like Sppedplay Zero, Look kep or even(gasp) shimano.
>

What is a "Time thin shim"? Is that some Time tool or part? Where is
it available? I pull out the guts, WD40 the cartridge, blow dry, air
dry, pump in fresh grease and reinstall.

Thin shim supplied by Time to be installed under the bearing as they
wear, spindle gets loose and then they 'click'.

Oh! thanks. Looking at QBP Time impact small parts via aebike it's
not clear which part that is, minus photographs and tech manual, or at
least exploded view. I've "sortof" narrowed it down to 3 or 4.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are the "popping" sounds/sensations normally fixed by
cleaning/regreasing, in your experience? And do they recur? I've
gone 10's of thousands of miles on a pair of impacts without incident.
Maybe 10k miles on newer RXS's too without problems.

Also, is there a tool available to open up the newer generation RXS?
Or some procedure you're aware of or have used? Or some documentation?

Good snap ring tool...

RXS doesn't have a snap ring, at least not visible from the outside.
The axle assembly looks like it just screws onto the petal body. I
guess I could wrench it off with a channel locks or pipe wrench with
petal body in a vice, but there are unique indentations on the axle
assembly that look like they need a special purpose tool for a clean
removal.

There are a lot of mysterious non-pictured parts via QBP on
harriscyclery/aebike, (and i've got the equally mysterious ATAC XS)
but minus a true tech manual it's really a [censored].

The audacity overwhelms. I guess Time relies on an "oral tradition"
passing secrets by word of mouth, generation to generation. I've
never yet found a mechanic "in the know", except QBP itself, but I
don't want to send the things in the mail for maintenence. At least
with the impacts you could see the snap ring and open it up. I think
their goal is that the consumer think of the product as long lasting,
but ultimately "throw-away".

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I thought I'd finally found "the" petal.

Bill Westphal

Bill Westphal

Bill Westphal said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Bill Westphal said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> Rob W wrote:
>> I have a set of Time Impact pedals, which are not particularly old.
>> During a race on last Sunday, the left pedal was creating distinct
>> popping sounds/sensations during downstrokes.
>
> COMMON with these paedals, why they redesigned them altho they still
> have this problem.
>>
>> Can these pedals be serviced or rebuilt? Any idea as to the cause of
>> the sensation? I'm fairly adept with my hands -- where can I get
>> service information?
>
> Snap ring inside of pedal threads, wgere the only bearing lives..pull
> outguts, get Time thin shim, install again...or the best bet, get
> 'other' pedals, like Sppedplay Zero, Look kep or even(gasp) shimano.
>>

What is a "Time thin shim"? Is that some Time tool or part? Where is
it available? I pull out the guts, WD40 the cartridge, blow dry, air
dry, pump in fresh grease and reinstall.

Thin shim supplied by Time to be installed under the bearing as they
wear, spindle gets loose and then they 'click'.

Oh! thanks. Looking at QBP Time impact small parts via aebike it's
not clear which part that is, minus photographs and tech manual, or at
least exploded view. I've "sortof" narrowed it down to 3 or 4.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are the "popping" sounds/sensations normally fixed by
cleaning/regreasing, in your experience? And do they recur? I've
gone 10's of thousands of miles on a pair of impacts without incident.
Maybe 10k miles on newer RXS's too without problems.

Also, is there a tool available to open up the newer generation RXS?
Or some procedure you're aware of or have used? Or some documentation?

Good snap ring tool...

RXS doesn't have a snap ring, at least not visible from the outside.
The axle assembly looks like it just screws onto the petal body. I
guess I could wrench it off with a channel locks or pipe wrench with
petal body in a vice, but there are unique indentations on the axle
assembly that look like they need a special purpose tool for a clean
removal.

Right you are, thought we were still talking about 'Impact'...also a
recall on new series Time pedals...BTW

Quoted message said:

There are a lot of mysterious non-pictured parts via QBP on
harriscyclery/aebike, (and i've got the equally mysterious ATAC XS)
but minus a true tech manual it's really a [censored].

The audacity overwhelms. I guess Time relies on an "oral tradition"
passing secrets by word of mouth, generation to generation. I've
never yet found a mechanic "in the know", except QBP itself, but I
don't want to send the things in the mail for maintenence. At least
with the impacts you could see the snap ring and open it up. I think
their goal is that the consumer think of the product as long lasting,
but ultimately "throw-away".

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I thought I'd finally found "the" petal.

Bill Westphal

Bill Westphal