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  1. In 1972, long before smallpox was eradicated worldwide, vaccination for the
    disease was halted in the United States, where the disease had not been seen
    for years. As smallpox was isolated to smaller and smaller regions on the
    planet, vaccination was halted in the disease-free parts of the world until
    finally mass smallpox vaccination was eliminated entirely, and vaccination
    of contacts and in concentric area rings was used to control the few
    remaining outbreaks until the disease was finally declared to be eliminated
    completely.

    It has been proposed here and elsewhere, that perhaps this model suggests
    that it would be reasonable to cease vaccination for polio, now that that
    disease, too, is on the eve of its eradication. After all, the Americas,
    Europe, China and East Asia, and the South Pacific have all been certified
    free of wild polio. The disease has been isolated to just seven countries,
    with more than 90% of the cases in just Nigeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan and
    parts of India. Isn't it time the rest of the world can cease the program of
    vaccination, which, after all, carries known health risks?

    The answer is NO.

    Smallpox and polio are very different diseases, and the vaccines are
    different as well. Smallpox virus is transmitted via the airborne route, and
    does not survive long in the environment. This means that the disease can
    only be transmitted directly from person to person. Polio is transmitted by
    the oral-fecal route, and can survive for weeks or more in contaminated
    waste streams. Smallpox causes obvious symptoms in its victims, even in its
    mildest forms, so that it is relatively easy to identify an index case and
    trace contacts. Polio is so mild as to go undetected in as many as 95% of
    infections, so that an infectious traveler could spread the disease over a
    wide area, unknown to health authorities. Smallpox vaccine is the live virus
    of a related disease, vaccinia, so the public is not exposed to any actual
    smallpox virus in the vaccination program. Oral Polio Vaccine (OPV) consists
    of mutated live viruses of the three strains of polio. These can
    occasionally mutate back into the pathogenic forms of the virus and cause
    paralytic polio in the vaccinated persons and in persons exposed to viruses
    shed from their intestinal tracts. Smallpox vaccine confers immunity
    quickly, and can offer protection even after one is exposed to the disease
    virus. Polio vaccination takes longer to be effective and cannot overpower
    the pathogenic virus after exposure. Immune suppressed persons, such as HIV
    patients and organ donor recipients may be able to carry polio viruses in
    their intestines for extended periods of time. One of these "carriers" could
    spread polio far and wide in an unvaccinated population. It has been
    estimated that as many as 7000 cases of paralytic polio would occur in an
    unvaccinated city from one infected person before a vaccination program
    could catch up and halt the spread.

    Smallpox virus, at the time of the eradication of the wild disease, was
    believed to exist only in two or three level-four containment research labs
    in the world. (The virus has probably gotten into the hands of terrorist
    organizations since then.) There was hope that even the research stocks
    could be eliminated at that time. In contrast, polio virus is common in labs
    all over the world, and no attempt has been made to document and track where
    stocks of it exist. Since a reservoir of the virus is necessary for the
    production of vaccine, it will never be practical to eliminate it entirely.
    For this reason, there will always be a risk that polio will escape into an
    unvaccinated population and start a major epidemic.

    Even after the whole world is certified polio free, our only protection
    against the re-emergence of the disease will still be mass vaccination.
    Whether cessation of polio vaccination will EVER be prudent is controversial
    among epidemiologists, but they all agree that we must continue vaccination
    until at least several years after the last wild polio is eradicated.

    --Rich

  2. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Time to cease Polio Vaccination?
    From: "Rich Shewmaker" [email hidden]
    Date: 11/17/03 6:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In 1972, long before smallpox was eradicated worldwide, vaccination for the
    disease was halted in the United States, where the disease had not been seen
    for years.

    Quoted message said:

    It has been proposed here and elsewhere, that perhaps this model suggests
    that it would be reasonable to cease vaccination for polio, now that that
    disease, too, is on the eve of its eradication.

    My position is quite different.

    Smallpox is a disease, fatal mainly due to the treatments given by the medical
    profession. Yep, my doctor killed me.
    The medical record and history demonstrates conclusively that the vaccine is
    worthless and the treatments offered commonly fatal.

    As to polio, the disease of the rich, fat, city kids, so be it. The vaccine
    again is worthless. Why should I believe that the refined pus of the diseased
    kidneys of monkeys offer me protection? Refer to the work of the physicians of
    1949 who showed that polio was a summer disease caused by an overindulgence by
    the city kids of colas and ice cream. Yep, polio is a nutritional deficiency
    disease compounded to fatal consequences by an over zealous allopathic medical
    doctor, and a medical monopoly ready to profit from the false belief.

    Dr. C.

  3. "DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Time to cease Polio Vaccination?
    From: "Rich Shewmaker" [email hidden]
    Date: 11/17/03 6:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In 1972, long before smallpox was eradicated worldwide, vaccination for


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    disease was halted in the United States, where the disease had not been


    seen

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for years.

    Quoted message said:

    It has been proposed here and elsewhere, that perhaps this model suggests
    that it would be reasonable to cease vaccination for polio, now that that
    disease, too, is on the eve of its eradication.

    My position is quite different.

    Smallpox is a disease, fatal mainly due to the treatments given by the


    medical

    Quoted message said:

    profession. Yep, my doctor killed me.
    The medical record and history demonstrates conclusively that the vaccine


    is

    Quoted message said:

    worthless and the treatments offered commonly fatal.

    As to polio, the disease of the rich, fat, city kids, so be it. The


    vaccine

    Quoted message said:

    again is worthless. Why should I believe that the refined pus of the


    diseased

    Quoted message said:

    kidneys of monkeys offer me protection? Refer to the work of the


    physicians of

    Quoted message said:

    1949 who showed that polio was a summer disease caused by an


    overindulgence by

    Quoted message said:

    the city kids of colas and ice cream. Yep, polio is a nutritional


    deficiency

    Quoted message said:

    disease compounded to fatal consequences by an over zealous allopathic


    medical

    Quoted message said:

    doctor, and a medical monopoly ready to profit from the false belief.

    Dr. C.

    So, the reason children in most of the world no longer get polio is that
    they no longer overindulge in ice cream and colas? People no longer die of
    smallpox because medical doctors no longer prescribe lethal smallpox
    treatments? Yes, your position is quite different, all right, "doctor" C.

    --Rich

  4. In the US, we have to vaccinate as a measure against the outbreaks caused by
    the vaccine.
    The wild polio strain has largely been eradicated in the Americas.
    The other dangers are imported wild cases, and since the vaccine isn't 100%
    effective we would have expected at least one case,
    which hasn't been recorded as far as I can see from the records...
    There's very low risk (if any) of contracting the wild strain in the US
    Anth

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In 1972, long before smallpox was eradicated worldwide, vaccination for


    the

    Quoted message said:

    disease was halted in the United States, where the disease had not been


    seen

    Quoted message said:

    for years. As smallpox was isolated to smaller and smaller regions on the
    planet, vaccination was halted in the disease-free parts of the world


    until

    Quoted message said:

    finally mass smallpox vaccination was eliminated entirely, and vaccination
    of contacts and in concentric area rings was used to control the few
    remaining outbreaks until the disease was finally declared to be


    eliminated

    Quoted message said:

    completely.

    It has been proposed here and elsewhere, that perhaps this model suggests
    that it would be reasonable to cease vaccination for polio, now that that
    disease, too, is on the eve of its eradication. After all, the Americas,
    Europe, China and East Asia, and the South Pacific have all been certified
    free of wild polio. The disease has been isolated to just seven countries,
    with more than 90% of the cases in just Nigeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan and
    parts of India. Isn't it time the rest of the world can cease the program


    of

    Quoted message said:

    vaccination, which, after all, carries known health risks?

    The answer is NO.

    Smallpox and polio are very different diseases, and the vaccines are
    different as well. Smallpox virus is transmitted via the airborne route,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    does not survive long in the environment. This means that the disease can
    only be transmitted directly from person to person. Polio is transmitted


    by

    Quoted message said:

    the oral-fecal route, and can survive for weeks or more in contaminated
    waste streams. Smallpox causes obvious symptoms in its victims, even in


    its

    Quoted message said:

    mildest forms, so that it is relatively easy to identify an index case and
    trace contacts. Polio is so mild as to go undetected in as many as 95% of
    infections, so that an infectious traveler could spread the disease over a
    wide area, unknown to health authorities. Smallpox vaccine is the live


    virus

    Quoted message said:

    of a related disease, vaccinia, so the public is not exposed to any actual
    smallpox virus in the vaccination program. Oral Polio Vaccine (OPV)


    consists

    Quoted message said:

    of mutated live viruses of the three strains of polio. These can
    occasionally mutate back into the pathogenic forms of the virus and cause
    paralytic polio in the vaccinated persons and in persons exposed to


    viruses

    Quoted message said:

    shed from their intestinal tracts. Smallpox vaccine confers immunity
    quickly, and can offer protection even after one is exposed to the disease
    virus. Polio vaccination takes longer to be effective and cannot overpower
    the pathogenic virus after exposure. Immune suppressed persons, such as


    HIV

    Quoted message said:

    patients and organ donor recipients may be able to carry polio viruses in
    their intestines for extended periods of time. One of these "carriers"


    could

    Quoted message said:

    spread polio far and wide in an unvaccinated population. It has been
    estimated that as many as 7000 cases of paralytic polio would occur in an
    unvaccinated city from one infected person before a vaccination program
    could catch up and halt the spread.

    Smallpox virus, at the time of the eradication of the wild disease, was
    believed to exist only in two or three level-four containment research


    labs

    Quoted message said:

    in the world. (The virus has probably gotten into the hands of terrorist
    organizations since then.) There was hope that even the research stocks
    could be eliminated at that time. In contrast, polio virus is common in


    labs

    Quoted message said:

    all over the world, and no attempt has been made to document and track


    where

    Quoted message said:

    stocks of it exist. Since a reservoir of the virus is necessary for the
    production of vaccine, it will never be practical to eliminate it


    entirely.

    Quoted message said:

    For this reason, there will always be a risk that polio will escape into


    an

    Quoted message said:

    unvaccinated population and start a major epidemic.

    Even after the whole world is certified polio free, our only protection
    against the re-emergence of the disease will still be mass vaccination.
    Whether cessation of polio vaccination will EVER be prudent is


    controversial

    Quoted message said:

    among epidemiologists, but they all agree that we must continue


    vaccination

    Quoted message said:

    until at least several years after the last wild polio is eradicated.

    --Rich

  5. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Time to cease Polio Vaccination?
    From: "Rich Shewmaker" [email hidden]
    Date: 11/17/03 8:50 PM Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Time to cease Polio Vaccination?
    From: "Rich Shewmaker" [email hidden]
    Date: 11/17/03 6:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In 1972, long before smallpox was eradicated worldwide, vaccination for


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    disease was halted in the United States, where the disease had not been


    seen

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for years.

    Quoted message said:

    It has been proposed here and elsewhere, that perhaps this model suggests
    that it would be reasonable to cease vaccination for polio, now that that
    disease, too, is on the eve of its eradication.

    My position is quite different.

    Smallpox is a disease, fatal mainly due to the treatments given by the


    medical

    Quoted message said:

    profession. Yep, my doctor killed me.
    The medical record and history demonstrates conclusively that the vaccine


    is

    Quoted message said:

    worthless and the treatments offered commonly fatal.

    As to polio, the disease of the rich, fat, city kids, so be it. The


    vaccine

    Quoted message said:

    again is worthless. Why should I believe that the refined pus of the


    diseased

    Quoted message said:

    kidneys of monkeys offer me protection? Refer to the work of the


    physicians of

    Quoted message said:

    1949 who showed that polio was a summer disease caused by an


    overindulgence by

    Quoted message said:

    the city kids of colas and ice cream. Yep, polio is a nutritional


    deficiency

    Quoted message said:

    disease compounded to fatal consequences by an over zealous allopathic


    medical

    Quoted message said:

    doctor, and a medical monopoly ready to profit from the false belief.

    Dr. C.

    So, the reason children in most of the world no longer get polio is that
    they no longer overindulge in ice cream and colas? People no longer die of
    smallpox because medical doctors no longer prescribe lethal smallpox
    treatments? Yes, your position is quite different, all right, "doctor" C.

    --Rich


    No, the reason that children no longer get as much polio is due to the fact
    that the rules for diagnosing polio have changed. They now get aseptic
    meningitis, a disease with exactly the same symptoms but without the lengthy
    diagnosis. Very convenient for the medical monopoly and their brainwashed
    doctors.

    As for smallpox, when the conditions for smallpox prevail, smallpox will arise
    again. It, again, only requires that the docs diagnose correctly and not try
    to hide it or cover it up for the gullible pubic to see the truth.

    Dr. C.

  6. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In the US, we have to vaccinate as a measure against the outbreaks caused


    by

    Quoted message said:

    the vaccine.

    Yes, most cases of polio in the U.S. since 1992 have been of vaccine origin.
    (A few have been wild polio from exposure abroad.) This is why the CDC has
    recommended the use of only injected polio vaccine (IPV) in this country
    except in very special cases. Unlike the oral vaccine, IPV cannot cause
    polio. Oral Polio Vaccine is still the choice for countries where the
    disease is still endemic.

    Quoted message said:

    The wild polio strain has largely been eradicated in the Americas.
    The other dangers are imported wild cases, and since the vaccine isn't


    100%

    Quoted message said:

    effective we would have expected at least one case,
    which hasn't been recorded as far as I can see from the records...

    Actually, there may have been cases of wild polio in this country that went
    undetected. Remember that most cases of polio exhibit symptoms so mild as to
    go unnoticed. Only ten percent or less of polio cases progress to the
    paralytic variant of the disease. Who knows how many Mild cases of wild
    polio have occured unreported?

    Quoted message said:

    There's very low risk (if any) of contracting the wild strain in the US
    Anth

    The reason there is a low risk of contracting wild polio in America is that
    we have a very high herd immunity from mass vaccination. Stop the
    vaccination, and the risk will skyrocket.

    --Rich

  7. Anth said:

    In the US, we have to vaccinate as a measure against the outbreaks caused by
    the vaccine.

    Another example of the general principle "like cures like". :-)

  8. "DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    No, the reason that children no longer get as much polio is due to the


    fact

    Quoted message said:

    that the rules for diagnosing polio have changed. They now get aseptic
    meningitis, a disease with exactly the same symptoms but without the


    lengthy

    Quoted message said:

    diagnosis. Very convenient for the medical monopoly and their brainwashed
    doctors.

    Aseptic meningitis certainly does NOT have exactly the same symptoms as
    polio. Meningitis does not cause peripheral paralysis, nor does it, even in
    its most severe presentations cause respiratory paralysis. If it were the
    same disease, polio virus could be isolated from the feces of the patients.

    Quoted message said:


    As for smallpox, when the conditions for smallpox prevail, smallpox will


    arise

    Quoted message said:

    again. It, again, only requires that the docs diagnose correctly and not


    try

    Quoted message said:

    to hide it or cover it up for the gullible pubic to see the truth.

    Smallpox is one of the easiest diseases in the world to diagnose. What
    motivation would doctors have for concealing such a diagnosis, even if that
    were possible?

    --Rich

  9. "Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Anth said:

    In the US, we have to vaccinate as a measure against the outbreaks


    caused by

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the vaccine.

    Another example of the general principle "like cures like". :-)

    In miniscule doses at that! ;o) Rich

  10. In said:

    "DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    As for smallpox, when the conditions for smallpox prevail, smallpox will arise
    again. It, again, only requires that the docs diagnose correctly and not try
    to hide it or cover it up for the gullible pubic to see the truth.

    Smallpox is one of the easiest diseases in the world to diagnose. What
    motivation would doctors have for concealing such a diagnosis, even if that
    were possible?

    Silly, it's part of the conspiracy. They hide the millions
    of smallpox deaths every year and Neuralize the survivors
    to erase the memory of the victims. If they didn't, people
    would know that the smallpox vaccine didn't work and then
    they Cartel wouldn't be able to sell DTaP, MMR, polio, etc.
    vaccines for obscene profits.

    --
    | "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a |
    | completely unintentional side effect. " -- Linus Torvalds |
    +--------------- D. C. Sessions <[email hidden]> ----------+

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    not-really-a-DRCEEPHD said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Time to cease Polio Vaccination?
    From: "Rich Shewmaker" [email hidden]
    Date: 11/17/03 6:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In 1972, long before smallpox was eradicated worldwide, vaccination for the
    disease was halted in the United States, where the disease had not been seen
    for years.

    Quoted message said:

    It has been proposed here and elsewhere, that perhaps this model suggests
    that it would be reasonable to cease vaccination for polio, now that that
    disease, too, is on the eve of its eradication.

    My position is quite different.

    Yes, it's as cretinous as usual. Back to the bookstore with you,
    Chuck; your long absence from m.h.a sure hasn't made you any smarter
    or better-informed.

    Quoted message said:

    Smallpox is a disease, fatal mainly due to the treatments given by
    the medical profession. Yep, my doctor killed me. The medical record
    and history demonstrates conclusively that the vaccine is worthless
    and the treatments offered commonly fatal.

    The medical record shows nothing of the sort, at least not over the
    last 40 years or so.

    Quoted message said:

    As to polio, the disease of the rich, fat, city kids, so be it.

    Sure, Chuck. That's why there's a polio epidemic in up-country
    Nigeria right now. All those fat, rich, city kids out in the boonies
    of Nigeria. Not.

    Quoted message said:

    The vaccine again is worthless. Why should I believe that the
    refined pus of the diseased kidneys of monkeys offer me protection?

    Well, the total absence of wild polio in the Western Hemisphere would
    be considered compelling by anyone with a functioning cerebrum.

    Quoted message said:

    Refer to the work of the physicians of 1949 who showed that polio was
    a summer disease caused by an overindulgence by the city kids of
    colas and ice cream.

    It was a summer disease, spread by e.g. swimming pools and
    contamination therein. I see your knowledge of history is as
    pathetic as your knowledge of medicine.

    Quoted message said:

    Yep, polio is a nutritional deficiency disease compounded to fatal
    consequences by an over zealous allopathic medical doctor, and a
    medical monopoly ready to profit from the false belief.

    You really *are* a cretin, Chuck. Consumption of ice cream and other
    fatty and sugary foods is higher now than it was in 1949, yet we have
    no polio. No kids in iron lungs.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  12. Well the oral Sabin style vaccine is more effective than the Salk.
    Pity I had my vaccine many years back when I was little - I wouldn't have
    bothered given the choice.
    As I recall there's been no cases of wild polio native to the Americas - one
    of the reasons why they are declaring it eradicated.
    Anth

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In the US, we have to vaccinate as a measure against the outbreaks


    caused

    Quoted message said:

    by

    Quoted message said:

    the vaccine.

    Yes, most cases of polio in the U.S. since 1992 have been of vaccine


    origin.

    Quoted message said:

    (A few have been wild polio from exposure abroad.) This is why the CDC has
    recommended the use of only injected polio vaccine (IPV) in this country
    except in very special cases. Unlike the oral vaccine, IPV cannot cause
    polio. Oral Polio Vaccine is still the choice for countries where the
    disease is still endemic.

    Quoted message said:

    The wild polio strain has largely been eradicated in the Americas.
    The other dangers are imported wild cases, and since the vaccine isn't


    100%

    Quoted message said:

    effective we would have expected at least one case,
    which hasn't been recorded as far as I can see from the records...

    Actually, there may have been cases of wild polio in this country that


    went

    Quoted message said:

    undetected. Remember that most cases of polio exhibit symptoms so mild as


    to

    Quoted message said:

    go unnoticed. Only ten percent or less of polio cases progress to the
    paralytic variant of the disease. Who knows how many Mild cases of wild
    polio have occured unreported?

    Quoted message said:

    There's very low risk (if any) of contracting the wild strain in the US
    Anth

    The reason there is a low risk of contracting wild polio in America is


    that

    Quoted message said:

    we have a very high herd immunity from mass vaccination. Stop the
    vaccination, and the risk will skyrocket.

    --Rich

  13. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Time to cease Polio Vaccination?
    From: "Rich Shewmaker" [email hidden]
    Date: 11/17/03 6:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In 1972, long before smallpox was eradicated worldwide, vaccination for the
    disease was halted in the United States, where the disease had not been seen
    for years.

    Quoted message said:

    It has been proposed here and elsewhere, that perhaps this model suggests
    that it would be reasonable to cease vaccination for polio, now that that
    disease, too, is on the eve of its eradication.

    My position is quite different.

    Yes, Chuck, your position is either next in line in Taco Bell or on the bottom,
    doggie style.

  14. In said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    not-really-a-DRCEEPHD <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Refer to the work of the physicians of 1949 who showed that polio was
    a summer disease caused by an overindulgence by the city kids of
    colas and ice cream.

    It was a summer disease, spread by e.g. swimming pools and
    contamination therein. I see your knowledge of history is as
    pathetic as your knowledge of medicine.

    Don't forget flies.

    --
    | "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a |
    | completely unintentional side effect. " -- Linus Torvalds |
    +--------------- D. C. Sessions <[email hidden]> ----------+

  15. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well the oral Sabin style vaccine is more effective than the Salk.
    Pity I had my vaccine many years back when I was little - I wouldn't have
    bothered given the choice.
    As I recall there's been no cases of wild polio native to the Americas -


    one

    Quoted message said:

    of the reasons why they are declaring it eradicated.
    Anth

    Why is it a "pity" that you were vaccinated as a child for polio? You
    suffered no harm, you didn't get polio, and you are protected still today.
    That sounds like a good deal to me.

    By the way, "they" are not declaring polio eradicated yet.

    --Rich

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Anth said:

    Well the oral Sabin style vaccine is more effective than the Salk.

    Sources?

    Quoted message said:

    Pity I had my vaccine many years back when I was little - I wouldn't
    have bothered given the choice.

    Probably nobody would. Then we could have epidemics again. I'm glad
    you weren't given the choice.

    Quoted message said:

    As I recall there's been no cases of wild polio native to the
    Americas - one of the reasons why they are declaring it eradicated.

    None producing symptoms, I believe, but who knows? It's still just a
    plane ride away.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    Quoted message said:

    Anth

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In the US, we have to vaccinate as a measure against the outbreaks


    caused

    Quoted message said:

    by

    Quoted message said:

    the vaccine.

    Yes, most cases of polio in the U.S. since 1992 have been of vaccine


    origin.

    Quoted message said:

    (A few have been wild polio from exposure abroad.) This is why the CDC has
    recommended the use of only injected polio vaccine (IPV) in this country
    except in very special cases. Unlike the oral vaccine, IPV cannot cause
    polio. Oral Polio Vaccine is still the choice for countries where the
    disease is still endemic.

    Quoted message said:

    The wild polio strain has largely been eradicated in the Americas.
    The other dangers are imported wild cases, and since the vaccine isn't


    100%

    Quoted message said:

    effective we would have expected at least one case,
    which hasn't been recorded as far as I can see from the records...

    Actually, there may have been cases of wild polio in this country that


    went

    Quoted message said:

    undetected. Remember that most cases of polio exhibit symptoms so mild as


    to

    Quoted message said:

    go unnoticed. Only ten percent or less of polio cases progress to the
    paralytic variant of the disease. Who knows how many Mild cases of wild
    polio have occured unreported?

    Quoted message said:

    There's very low risk (if any) of contracting the wild strain in the US
    Anth

    The reason there is a low risk of contracting wild polio in America is


    that

    Quoted message said:

    we have a very high herd immunity from mass vaccination. Stop the
    vaccination, and the risk will skyrocket.

    --Rich

  17. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Anth said:

    Well the oral Sabin style vaccine is more effective than the Salk.

    Sources?

    Anth is correct on this one, David. OPV not only produces immunity in a
    higher percentage of recipients after the first dose, it confers immunity in
    the gut, which IPV cannot do. Also the live virus from the intestinal tract
    can be transmitted to contacts of newly vaccinated persons, producing
    secondary vaccination in the population, an advantage in an eradication
    program, but causing increased risk of vaccine associated paralytic polio.

    http://www.brown.edu/Courses/Bio_160/Projects1999/polio/vac.html

    (or: http://tinyurl.com/vk1t )

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Pity I had my vaccine many years back when I was little - I wouldn't
    have bothered given the choice.

    Probably nobody would. Then we could have epidemics again. I'm glad
    you weren't given the choice.

    Quoted message said:

    As I recall there's been no cases of wild polio native to the
    Americas - one of the reasons why they are declaring it eradicated.

    None producing symptoms, I believe, but who knows? It's still just a
    plane ride away.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  18. "D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In <[email hidden]>, David Wright


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    not-really-a-DRCEEPHD <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Refer to the work of the physicians of 1949 who showed that polio was
    a summer disease caused by an overindulgence by the city kids of
    colas and ice cream.

    It was a summer disease, spread by e.g. swimming pools and
    contamination therein. I see your knowledge of history is as
    pathetic as your knowledge of medicine.

    Don't forget flies.

    We were told that street puddles had "polio water."

  19. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well the oral Sabin style vaccine is more effective than the Salk.
    Pity I had my vaccine many years back when I was little - I wouldn't have
    bothered given the choice.
    As I recall there's been no cases of wild polio native to the Americas -


    one

    Quoted message said:

    of the reasons why they are declaring it eradicated.
    Anth

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In the US, we have to vaccinate as a measure against the outbreaks


    caused

    Quoted message said:

    by

    Quoted message said:

    the vaccine.

    Yes, most cases of polio in the U.S. since 1992 have been of vaccine


    origin.

    Quoted message said:

    (A few have been wild polio from exposure abroad.) This is why the CDC


    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    recommended the use of only injected polio vaccine (IPV) in this country
    except in very special cases. Unlike the oral vaccine, IPV cannot cause
    polio. Oral Polio Vaccine is still the choice for countries where the
    disease is still endemic.

    Quoted message said:

    The wild polio strain has largely been eradicated in the Americas.
    The other dangers are imported wild cases, and since the vaccine isn't


    100%

    Quoted message said:

    effective we would have expected at least one case,
    which hasn't been recorded as far as I can see from the records...

    Polio is rampant in south Asia, and with our migratory world population, the
    only reason we have not seen an epidemic here is because of widespread
    vaccination.

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rich Shewmaker said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Anth said:

    Well the oral Sabin style vaccine is more effective than the Salk.

    Sources?

    Anth is correct on this one, David.

    I suppose it was bound to happen sooner or later.

    Quoted message said:

    OPV not only produces immunity in
    a higher percentage of recipients after the first dose, it confers
    immunity in the gut, which IPV cannot do. Also the live virus from
    the intestinal tract can be transmitted to contacts of newly
    vaccinated persons, producing secondary vaccination in the
    population, an advantage in an eradication program, but causing
    increased risk of vaccine associated paralytic polio.

    Secondary vaccination is irrelevant to my question, actually. Also,
    the Salk vaccine is not supposed to be given in just one dose. The
    URL shows that 3 doses of Salk vaccine gives 99-100% immunity, which
    is pretty good.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.brown.edu/Courses/Bio_160/Projects1999/polio/vac.html

    (or: http://tinyurl.com/vk1t )

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Pity I had my vaccine many years back when I was little - I wouldn't
    have bothered given the choice.

    Probably nobody would. Then we could have epidemics again. I'm glad
    you weren't given the choice.

    Quoted message said:

    As I recall there's been no cases of wild polio native to the
    Americas - one of the reasons why they are declaring it eradicated.

    None producing symptoms, I believe, but who knows? It's still just a
    plane ride away.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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