TR: How Now ? . . . Brown Cow Hill

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(Graham Ingram) said:

By now it was getting hard to stand
upright in the wind so a quick bearing due North from the summit and
we soon dropped into a deep corrie picking up the exit track in the
glen below.

interesting TR. I did it in very high winds where it was hard to stand,
but completely clear skies. We had find pretending to fly on the summit.
We then came down the corrie to the north as well, nice walk down the
track along the river.
I'd say that with a mountain bike or in the high winds, the best way is to
follow the track up the river and to the north of the summit and then just
pop up to the top and back down. Reduced time in the plateau and with a
mtn bike would be very quick.
Now I tell you 8-)

when do you go to Kili?

cheers
Rob

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In article <[email hidden]>,

(Graham Ingram) said:

By now it was getting hard to stand
upright in the wind so a quick bearing due North from the summit

and

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we soon dropped into a deep corrie picking up the exit track in

the

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glen below.

interesting TR. I did it in very high winds where it was hard to

stand,

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but completely clear skies. We had find pretending to fly on the

summit.

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We then came down the corrie to the north as well, nice walk down

the

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track along the river.

Agreed, a very pleasant walk not least as the wind had dropped. shame
about the tarmac road though as it is always a bit harder on the feet
!

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I'd say that with a mountain bike or in the high winds, the best way

is to

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follow the track up the river and to the north of the summit and

then just

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pop up to the top and back down. Reduced time in the plateau and

with a

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mtn bike would be very quick.
Now I tell you 8-)

when do you go to Kili?

Head off on Sunday via Heathrow and Amsterdam. All going well should
summit around 3 am UK time Friday morning 28 Jan. back to work 2nd Feb
:-(
Fundraising going really well now at just under £30,000 which will be
doubled by the company to £60,000. Still hoping to get close to
£100,000 by the time all funds are in

Cheers
Graham

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Graham Ingram) said:

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when do you go to Kili?

Head off on Sunday via Heathrow and Amsterdam. All going well should
summit around 3 am UK time Friday morning 28 Jan. back to work 2nd Feb
:-(

good luck! top tip: always walk too slow!
and take an extra fleece, hat and warm gloves for summit day (night).
If you can keep warm, you can walk very slowly ...
I guess you are flying KLM direct to Arusha (Kilimanjaro airport). You can
buy Tanzania visa at the airport, no problem.
and sugar cane is good to chew on.

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Fundraising going really well now at just under £30,000 which will be
doubled by the company to £60,000. Still hoping to get close to
£100,000 by the time all funds are in

well done and good luck for the higher numbers!

Rob

Good to note your perseverance in finding the summit. Did it several
years ago when bagging Corbetts. Most folk don't believe that Brown
Cow Hill is the name of a Corbett.

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Good to note your perseverance in finding the summit.

I believe that if you cannot find the cairn then you cannot claim the
hill. In November 96 my son and I did Slioch in absolutely awful
conditions. Reaching the trig point we turned and came back down. I
later found the true summit is now recognised as the North top, just a
few minutes North of the trig. But we returned and climbed the hill
again so we could claim it as a Munro climbed !

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Did it several
years ago when bagging Corbetts. Most folk don't believe that

Brown

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Cow Hill is the name of a Corbett.

Yeah, interesting name, not very Scottish sounding, a bit like the
Munro Mount Keen in the same general area

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I believe that if you cannot find the cairn then you cannot claim the
hill. In November 96 my son and I did Slioch in absolutely awful
conditions. Reaching the trig point we turned and came back down. I
later found the true summit is now recognised as the North top, just a
few minutes North of the trig. But we returned and climbed the hill
again so we could claim it as a Munro climbed !

Ha! In June 1972 I passed close to the summit of Carn Ban More (Glen
Feshie) while doing the Scottish 4000s, too weary to make the short
diversion.

A few Easters later I did a grid search alone in a whiteout in an
unsuccessful attempt to find the summit.

At Easter 1981 we walked the whole ridge from South to North in very
uneasterly weather (sunshine and no snow) but by then Carn Ban More was
no longer a Munro.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 5 summits
New - 5 (Marilyns 0, Sweats 0, Outlying Fells 5)
Repeats - 0 (Marilyns 0, Sweats 0, Wainwrights 0, Outlying Fells 0)

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I believe that if you cannot find the cairn then you cannot claim

the

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hill. In November 96 my son and I did Slioch in absolutely

awful

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conditions. Reaching the trig point we turned and came back down.

I

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later found the true summit is now recognised as the North top,

just a

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few minutes North of the trig. But we returned and climbed the

hill

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again so we could claim it as a Munro climbed !

Ha! In June 1972 I passed close to the summit of Carn Ban More (Glen
Feshie) while doing the Scottish 4000s, too weary to make the short
diversion.

A few Easters later I did a grid search alone in a whiteout in an
unsuccessful attempt to find the summit.

At Easter 1981 we walked the whole ridge from South to North in very
uneasterly weather (sunshine and no snow) but by then Carn Ban More

was

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no longer a Munro.

A very flat expanse of land is the Feshie Plateau. We had a tough time
finding Mullach at the south end twice in poor conditions ( snow and
mist ), thankfully Sgor Gaoith is hard to miss at the North end and
quite spectacular above Loch Einich.
Cheers
Graham

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Good to note your perseverance in finding the summit.

I believe that if you cannot find the cairn then you cannot claim the
hill.

Fortunately some hills dont have cairns, others do have cairns but not
at their summits...

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Did it several
years ago when bagging Corbetts. Most folk don't believe that

Brown

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Cow Hill is the name of a Corbett.

Yeah, interesting name, not very Scottish sounding, a bit like the
Munro Mount Keen in the same general area

Often known as Broon Coo which is Scottish. Mount is an anglicisation
of Monadh and Scotland is about the only part of Britain where Mount
is used in placenames.... Apart from that media abortion Mount
Snowdon (Bletch)

Richard Webb

A then Munro Bagging friend of mine and from the Central Belt, together
with a friend of his, did Ben Vorlich (Loch Lomond) in bad weather and
on reaching the trig point headed back downhill. Later that day my
friend was checking out the route and realised that he hadn't reached
the highest point which was further north and two metres higher. He
contacted his walking companion who apparently wasn't a happy bunny and
said he wasn't going back. However my friend did return and then
later completed his round of Munros.
I suspect there will be a few Baggers who have thought they were on the
highest point but weren't but they and we will probably never know.
www.caledoniahilltreks.com

With the increase in hillwalking, especially the lower hills, I find
there are very few Corbetts without a cairn. I cannot recall any in
particular but some of the rocky summits don't have any or just one
small stone. The cairn on the Corbett Carn na Saobhaidhe consists of
about three stones on a flatish summit I am not sure if it is the
highest point but having walked round the summit top there was nothing
else there. Not the easiest Corbett to reach so I wanted to make sure
I was on the summit and visibility in the snow wasn't very good.
However I suspect that Marilyns will have fewer summit cairns than the
higher mountains. Probably the same for some of the less visited
Grahams.
www.caledoniahilltreks.com

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I believe that if you cannot find the cairn then you cannot claim the
hill. In November 96 my son and I did Slioch in absolutely awful
conditions. Reaching the trig point we turned and came back down. I
later found the true summit is now recognised as the North top, just a
few minutes North of the trig. But we returned and climbed the hill
again so we could claim it as a Munro climbed !

Ha! In June 1972 I passed close to the summit of Carn Ban More (Glen
Feshie) while doing the Scottish 4000s, too weary to make the short
diversion.

A few Easters later I did a grid search alone in a whiteout in an
unsuccessful attempt to find the summit.

At Easter 1981 we walked the whole ridge from South to North in very
uneasterly weather (sunshine and no snow) but by then Carn Ban More was
no longer a Munro.

Ah! Then you were very lucky to miss the summit on previous occasions.
Had you done so you would have had to lose one from your tally of
munros!

--
Michael Farthing
Aardvark Ltd

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At Easter 1981 we walked the whole ridge from South to North in very
uneasterly weather (sunshine and no snow) but by then Carn Ban More was
no longer a Munro.

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Ah! Then you were very lucky to miss the summit on previous occasions.
Had you done so you would have had to lose one from your tally of
munros!

It wouldn't have been the only time my Munro tally has fluctuated
without me as much as leaving my house. :-)

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 5 summits
New - 5 (Marilyns 0, Sweats 0, Outlying Fells 5)
Repeats - 0 (Marilyns 0, Sweats 0, Wainwrights 0, Outlying Fells 0)

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
person RJ Webb <[email hidden]> said
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Mount is an anglicisation
of Monadh and Scotland is about the only part of Britain where Mount
is used in placenames....

So is 'White Mounth' a spelling error or a translation error?

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Outgoing Msgs are Turing Tested,and indistinguishable from human typing.

GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
person RJ Webb <[email hidden]> said

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Mount is an anglicisation of Monadh [snip]

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So is 'White Mounth' a spelling error or a translation error?

We may find out this Thursday, as 'Tir is Teanga' examines "the
Cairngorms" (sic).
--
Al

<alanATajbremnerDOTplusDOTcom>

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I suspect there will be a few Baggers who have thought they were on the
highest point but weren't but they and we will probably never know.
www.caledoniahilltreks.com

Was on Achalladair once and all but two tracks in the snow missed the
summit and went to the big cairn which is two metres lower....

http://www.sub3000.plus.com/balbum/Scotland/2a/Achaladair.html

I think this is common.. Lots of traps out there....

Creag Meagaidh
Beinn Dorain etc...

Richard Webb

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With the increase in hillwalking, especially the lower hills, I find
there are very few Corbetts without a cairn. I cannot recall any in
particular but some of the rocky summits don't have any or just one
small stone. The cairn on the Corbett Carn na Saobhaidhe consists of
about three stones on a flatish summit I am not sure if it is the
highest point but having walked round the summit top there was nothing
else there. Not the easiest Corbett to reach so I wanted to make sure
I was on the summit and visibility in the snow wasn't very good.
However I suspect that Marilyns will have fewer summit cairns than the
higher mountains. Probably the same for some of the less visited
Grahams.

They usualy have cairns as do a lot of Highland 2000' tops.. I bag a
lot of esoterica and cairns are very common. Its cause for rejoicing
if there is not one.. because its unusual.

I am aware of some Docharty's that have aquired cairns in recent
years, but often the less frequented tops have old looking vegetated
cairns on them

Where carins tend to be missing is on non stoney hills - some small
marilyns - or very sharp summits.. Wont last long on Helm Crag or Moel
y Tryfan for example.

Ben Lomond had no cairn at my completion party, had to kiss the trig.

Richard Webb

Richard Webb

GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the wonderful
person RJ Webb <[email hidden]> said
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Mount is an anglicisation
of Monadh and Scotland is about the only part of Britain where Mount
is used in placenames....

So is 'White Mounth' a spelling error or a translation error?

Probably a correct translation of Am Monadh Geal. Mounth is a real
word!

Richard Webb

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We may find out this Thursday, as 'Tir is Teanga' examines "the
Cairngorms" (sic).

Only seen half of one so far.. Amazed to hear I get some of them
almost right!

Seriously gobsmacking photography.. I want a copy on DVD ! I hope it
comes out... Not enough hillbashing on the box!

Richard Webb

(RJ Webb) said:

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We may find out this Thursday, as 'Tir is Teanga' examines "the
Cairngorms" (sic).

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Only seen half of one so far.. Amazed to hear I get some of them
almost right!

It's a revelation to hear what are well-known names pronounced
correctly by native speakers. Unfortunately it's made me realise that
I've done some terrible damage to the Gaelic language in the past!

It's the background to the names that I've found most fascinating. I
had no idea that Norse featured so strongly in Knoydart, for example.

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Seriously gobsmacking photography.. I want a copy on DVD !

I've been very impressed by the photography too. None of the trendy
"swooping helicopter panoramas" that make viewers dizzy; you have time
to take in the scene and relate the landscape to the text, so to
speak. Like you I've already mentally placed an order for the DVD. :-)

--
Al

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