TR: October Day 5

"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Pic of the day is online now; wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober05.htmlOpen ↗

Comments?

Trip report later.

Paul

That is one great photo. It looks quite Arctic. Is it Worms Head? Very other-worldly. What Doctoring
have you done?

Ian.

--
Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - mailgate.orgmailgate.orgOpen ↗

Ian Dainty said:

That is one great photo.

Thanks.

Quoted message said:

It looks quite Arctic.

Mmm...

Quoted message said:

Is it Worms Head?

Got it in one. Trust you to recognise it!

Quoted message said:

Very other-worldly.

Yes it is, isn't it?

Quoted message said:

What Doctoring have you done?

That's for you to guess.

Paul
--
The October Project 2003
wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.htmlOpen ↗
wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.ukOpen ↗
photosig.comuserphotosOpen ↗

"Ian Dainty" <[email hidden]> wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

That is one great photo. It looks quite Arctic. Is it Worms Head? Very other-worldly. What
Doctoring have you done?

Ian.

Doctoring! Thats the word to describe it! Looks like a strange planet Doctor Who would visit.

--
Brian

Paul Saunders said:

Ian Dainty said:

That is one great photo.

Thanks.

Quoted message said:

It looks quite Arctic.

Mmm...

Quoted message said:

Is it Worms Head?

Got it in one. Trust you to recognise it!

Quoted message said:

Very other-worldly.

Yes it is, isn't it?

Quoted message said:

What Doctoring have you done?

That's for you to guess.

Paul

The colour rendition on my monitor seems quite quite different to the one on your screen Paul. Much
more purple in the water and greener ******* It would be interesting some point to compare colour
balances I feel - sadly short of lugging by PC and monitor down there I cannot think of a way, and a
23" is not lightweight.....
--
79.84% of all statistics are made up on the spot. The other 42% are made up later on. In Warwick -
looking at flat fields and that includes the castle.

Quoted message said:

Doctoring! Thats the word to describe it! Looks like a strange planet Doctor Who would visit.

He only visits planets that look like chalkpits

That picture looks like its off a prog rock album cover

Richard Webb

Chris Street said:

The colour rendition on my monitor seems quite quite different to the one on your screen Paul.

Really?

Quoted message said:

Much more purple in the water and greener ******* It would be interesting some point to
compare colour balances I feel - sadly short of lugging by PC and monitor down there I cannot
think of a way,

Well I've calibrated my monitor using Adobe Gamma, but I discarded the colour profile when I
processed that pic, the reason being that if I use the Adobe RGB profile the pic comes out way too
dark for web use. Unfortunately I haven't yet figured out a way of converting Adobe RGB for web use.
Everything I've tried has come out looking different to the way it looks in Photoshop.

Right now it looks a little bit lighter, so I tend to process it slightly dark. Colours aren't too
different though (but my colours are different between my two computers - different graphics cards -
same monitor). I've used Adobe RGB on both but on my old computer it only affects the printed
output, not the screen display.

Quoted message said:

and a 23" is not lightweight.....

I thought you bought a 21".

Paul
--
The October Project 2003
wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.htmlOpen ↗
wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.ukOpen ↗
photosig.comuserphotosOpen ↗

"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
| Paul Saunders wrote:
|
| >> Very other-worldly.
| >
| > Yes it is, isn't it?
| >
| >> What Doctoring have you done?
| >
| > That's for you to guess.
|
| Come on you lot, can't anyone figure it out?
|
| Paul

Don't have a clue, but the water looks purple to the right of the foreground rocks, and the rocks
look very light in colour (almost frosty).

...I give up, what did you do? :o)

Ste

Really just a beginners stage of Elements but if I were to guess I would say you may have
experimented with Hue/Saturation or maybe even some sort of IR filter. First glance it looked like
an early winter on the Welsh coast.

Doug

[email hidden] said...

Quoted message said:

Paul Saunders said:

Quoted message said:

Very other-worldly.

Yes it is, isn't it?

Quoted message said:

What Doctoring have you done?

That's for you to guess.

Come on you lot, can't anyone figure it out?

Looks to me like you've added a bit of red to create a 'stormy' effect.
--
Fran If you need my email address please ask.

RJ Webb said:

That picture looks like its off a prog rock album cover

Why thank you Richard, I always was impressed by prog rock album covers.

Paul
--
The October Project 2003
wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.htmlOpen ↗
wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.ukOpen ↗
photosig.comuserphotosOpen ↗

Paul Saunders said:

Colours aren't too different though

Actually that's wrong. I've just done a side by side comparison and my web view on my old monitor is
lighter, much greener and with very little purple compared to the image in Photoshop on my XP
computer (with the better graphics card).

I've noticed that my main computer looks a bit magenta compared to my older one, which is
disconcerting, but the more magenta the screen looks the less magenta it prints, so that's actually
a good thing (considering that my prints were always too magenta at first).

I notice the difference between the two computers when switching between them, particularly if I
look at the same picture, but after looking at either computer for a while my brain adjusts. The web
version looked fine until I checked the original, which looks too purple in comparison, but after
looking at the purple pic for a while the web version now looks much greener.

What I do know is that I have a completely profile controlled colour workflow (well I did, I have to
reset everything now) and my prints have the same colour as my monitor, so I guess the best way to
do a proper comparison would be to make a print, verify that the colours are the same as my monitor,
then send it to you as a reference.

Paul
--
The October Project 2003
wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.htmlOpen ↗
wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.ukOpen ↗
photosig.comuserphotosOpen ↗

Paul Saunders said:

Chris Street said:

The colour rendition on my monitor seems quite quite different to the one on your screen Paul.

Really?

Quoted message said:

Much more purple in the water and greener ******* It would be interesting some point to
compare colour balances I feel - sadly short of lugging by PC and monitor down there I cannot
think of a way,

Well I've calibrated my monitor using Adobe Gamma, but I discarded the colour profile when I
processed that pic, the reason being that if I use the Adobe RGB profile the pic comes out way too
dark for web use. Unfortunately I haven't yet figured out a way of converting Adobe RGB for web
use. Everything I've tried has come out looking different to the way it looks in Photoshop.

If we displayed the same picture in Photoshop side by side (assuming it had a profile) then they
should look identical. I was surpriesed at how different they were without a profile to guide them.

Quoted message said:

Right now it looks a little bit lighter, so I tend to process it slightly dark. Colours aren't too
different though (but my colours are different between my two computers - different graphics cards
- same monitor). I've used Adobe RGB on both but on my old computer it only affects the printed
output, not the screen display.

Quoted message said:

and a 23" is not lightweight.....

I thought you bought a 21".

23" tube - I ahd to order some parts and found to my annoyance that if you order bits for a 21" they
are wrong..... 23" tube 20.9" usable or summat.

Still "£$%"! heavy to carry though!

Quoted message said:

Paul

--
79.84% of all statistics are made up on the spot. The other 42% are made up later on. In Warwick -
looking at flat fields and that includes the castle.

"Doug" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
|
|
| Really just a beginners stage of Elements but if I were to guess I would
say
| you may have experimented with Hue/Saturation or maybe even some sort of
IR
| filter. First glance it looked like an early winter on the Welsh coast.
|
| Doug

That's it Doug! The IR filter! Paul said he'd taken some shots with his new infra red filter, so
that would explain strange colouring of the rocks and water. Surely? :o)

Ste

Paul Saunders said:

RJ Webb said:

That picture looks like its off a prog rock album cover

Why thank you Richard, I always was impressed by prog rock album covers.

Paul

It was of course meant as a compliment.. Now get your time machine working and send it back
to 1973...

It would be wasted on a CD

Richard Webb

Paul Saunders said:

Paul Saunders said:

Colours aren't too different though

Actually that's wrong. I've just done a side by side comparison and my web view on my old monitor
is lighter, much greener and with very little purple compared to the image in Photoshop on my XP
computer (with the better graphics card).

I've noticed that my main computer looks a bit magenta compared to my older one, which is
disconcerting, but the more magenta the screen looks the less magenta it prints, so that's actually
a good thing (considering that my prints were always too magenta at first).

I notice the difference between the two computers when switching between them, particularly if I
look at the same picture, but after looking at either computer for a while my brain adjusts. The
web version looked fine until I checked the original, which looks too purple in comparison, but
after looking at the purple pic for a while the web version now looks much greener.

What I do know is that I have a completely profile controlled colour workflow (well I did, I have
to reset everything now) and my prints have the same colour as my monitor, so I guess the best way
to do a proper comparison would be to make a print, verify that the colours are the same as my
monitor, then send it to you as a reference.

Don't worry. Assuming we have both set up ADobe gamma correctly then our monitors will look
identical and the workflow should be fine.

However an easier option springs to mind - I've got severl prints of yours. Bung us a small Jpeg
of them with the Adobe 1998 profile or whaterver you use as your working space and I'll have a
look at that.

Quoted message said:

Paul

--
79.84% of all statistics are made up on the spot. The other 42% are made up later on. In Warwick -
looking at flat fields and that includes the castle.

Chris Street said:

If we displayed the same picture in Photoshop side by side (assuming it had a profile) then
they should look identical. I was surpriesed at how different they were without a profile to
guide them.

Yes, so was I when I made a side by side comparison last night, even with the same monitor. The main
difference is due to my two different graphics cards, but also the Adobe Gamma correction (one card
alters the monitor display, the other card doesn't).

With different monitors there'd be even more difference.

Browsers don't use any kind of profile do they? Should I leave it as sRGB for browser stuff? (It
would still look different in Photoshop though, since Photoshop seems to display for printing, not
for web viewing.

Paul
--
The October Project 2003
wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.htmlOpen ↗
wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.ukOpen ↗
photosig.comuserphotosOpen ↗

ste © said:

"Doug" wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

or maybe even some sort of IR filter.

Quoted message said:

That's it Doug! The IR filter! Paul said he'd taken some shots with his new infra red filter, so
that would explain strange colouring of the rocks and water. Surely? :o)

Yep, that's it. Doug gets the prize!

So can you guess what the green stuff is on the rocks?

Paul
--
The October Project 2003
wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.htmlOpen ↗
wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.ukOpen ↗
photosig.comuserphotosOpen ↗

[email hidden] said...

Quoted message said:

Fran said:

Looks to me like you've added a bit of red to create a 'stormy' effect.

Quite the contrary in fact. I reduced the red by a "huge" amount.

I knew that, honest I did!
--
Fran If you need my email address please ask.

[email hidden] said...

Quoted message said:

One more question: Can anybody guess what the green stuff on the rocks is?

It looks like barnacles, but then we've already realised I need new glasses...
--
Fran If you need my email address please ask.