Track bike/fixed

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The problem now with the Classic Rendezvous is that if you post
anything on that site you end up with scam artists emailing you for ten
months or more afterwards.

I had an old Grand Sport group that I thought someone might want and
posted it there. I never got one legitamate email about it but perhaps
several hundred scam artists.

So be VERY careful on that group and don't buy anything that doesn't
sound right.

Here's a link to the site associated with the email list, for anyone
interested. If you get in touch with Dale, the list owner, don't blame
whatever happens on me, please. I've already said what I think of him as
a list administrator (he's probably a nice guy otherwise but I wouldn't
know).

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

and the ads page,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/forsale.htm

I don't believe that the forsale column remains on Classic Rendezvous and I
suspect everyone else was having the same problem I had.

A funny thing about that site is that they don't have Gary Fisher listed!
That's sort of like having a website about the early aviators and leaving
out Glenn H. Curtiss.

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The problem now with the Classic Rendezvous is that if you post
anything on that site you end up with scam artists emailing you for ten
months or more afterwards.

I had an old Grand Sport group that I thought someone might want and
posted it there. I never got one legitamate email about it but perhaps
several hundred scam artists.

So be VERY careful on that group and don't buy anything that doesn't
sound right.

Here's a link to the site associated with the email list, for anyone
interested. If you get in touch with Dale, the list owner, don't blame
whatever happens on me, please. I've already said what I think of him as
a list administrator (he's probably a nice guy otherwise but I wouldn't
know).

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

and the ads page,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/forsale.htm

I don't believe that the forsale column remains on Classic Rendezvous and I
suspect everyone else was having the same problem I had.

A funny thing about that site is that they don't have Gary Fisher listed!
That's sort of like having a website about the early aviators and leaving
out Glenn H. Curtiss.

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The problem now with the Classic Rendezvous is that if you post
anything on that site you end up with scam artists emailing you for ten
months or more afterwards.

I had an old Grand Sport group that I thought someone might want and
posted it there. I never got one legitamate email about it but perhaps
several hundred scam artists.

So be VERY careful on that group and don't buy anything that doesn't
sound right.

Here's a link to the site associated with the email list, for anyone
interested. If you get in touch with Dale, the list owner, don't blame
whatever happens on me, please. I've already said what I think of him as
a list administrator (he's probably a nice guy otherwise but I wouldn't
know).

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

and the ads page,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/forsale.htm

I don't believe that the forsale column remains on Classic Rendezvous and I
suspect everyone else was having the same problem I had.

A funny thing about that site is that they don't have Gary Fisher listed!
That's sort of like having a website about the early aviators and leaving
out Glenn H. Curtiss.

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The problem now with the Classic Rendezvous is that if you post
anything on that site you end up with scam artists emailing you for ten
months or more afterwards.

I had an old Grand Sport group that I thought someone might want and
posted it there. I never got one legitamate email about it but perhaps
several hundred scam artists.

So be VERY careful on that group and don't buy anything that doesn't
sound right.

Here's a link to the site associated with the email list, for anyone
interested. If you get in touch with Dale, the list owner, don't blame
whatever happens on me, please. I've already said what I think of him as
a list administrator (he's probably a nice guy otherwise but I wouldn't
know).

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

and the ads page,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/forsale.htm

I don't believe that the forsale column remains on Classic Rendezvous and I
suspect everyone else was having the same problem I had.

A funny thing about that site is that they don't have Gary Fisher listed!
That's sort of like having a website about the early aviators and leaving
out Glenn H. Curtiss.

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The problem now with the Classic Rendezvous is that if you post
anything on that site you end up with scam artists emailing you for ten
months or more afterwards.

I had an old Grand Sport group that I thought someone might want and
posted it there. I never got one legitamate email about it but perhaps
several hundred scam artists.

So be VERY careful on that group and don't buy anything that doesn't
sound right.

Here's a link to the site associated with the email list, for anyone
interested. If you get in touch with Dale, the list owner, don't blame
whatever happens on me, please. I've already said what I think of him as
a list administrator (he's probably a nice guy otherwise but I wouldn't
know).

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

and the ads page,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/forsale.htm

I don't believe that the forsale column remains on Classic Rendezvous and I
suspect everyone else was having the same problem I had.

A funny thing about that site is that they don't have Gary Fisher listed!
That's sort of like having a website about the early aviators and leaving
out Glenn H. Curtiss.

On 07/25/2005 06:51 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Tom Kunich"

Quoted message said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The problem now with the Classic Rendezvous is that if you post
anything on that site you end up with scam artists emailing you for ten
months or more afterwards.

I had an old Grand Sport group that I thought someone might want and
posted it there. I never got one legitamate email about it but perhaps
several hundred scam artists.

So be VERY careful on that group and don't buy anything that doesn't
sound right.

Here's a link to the site associated with the email list, for anyone
interested. If you get in touch with Dale, the list owner, don't blame
whatever happens on me, please. I've already said what I think of him as
a list administrator (he's probably a nice guy otherwise but I wouldn't
know).

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

and the ads page,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/forsale.htm

I don't believe that the forsale column remains on Classic Rendezvous and I
suspect everyone else was having the same problem I had.

A funny thing about that site is that they don't have Gary Fisher listed!
That's sort of like having a website about the early aviators and leaving
out Glenn H. Curtiss.

From http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

"The purpose of this not-for-profit site is to encourage those interested in
enjoying and preserving vintage lightweight "racing" style bicycles of the
period from the early 20th century until 1983."

What part of that description describes Gary Fisher?

Gary Fisher isn't a framebuilder of "lightweights" (i.e. lugged road bikes),
he is/was a mountain bike frame designer/marketer.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

On 07/25/2005 06:51 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Tom Kunich"

Quoted message said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The problem now with the Classic Rendezvous is that if you post
anything on that site you end up with scam artists emailing you for ten
months or more afterwards.

I had an old Grand Sport group that I thought someone might want and
posted it there. I never got one legitamate email about it but perhaps
several hundred scam artists.

So be VERY careful on that group and don't buy anything that doesn't
sound right.

Here's a link to the site associated with the email list, for anyone
interested. If you get in touch with Dale, the list owner, don't blame
whatever happens on me, please. I've already said what I think of him as
a list administrator (he's probably a nice guy otherwise but I wouldn't
know).

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

and the ads page,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/forsale.htm

I don't believe that the forsale column remains on Classic Rendezvous and I
suspect everyone else was having the same problem I had.

A funny thing about that site is that they don't have Gary Fisher listed!
That's sort of like having a website about the early aviators and leaving
out Glenn H. Curtiss.

From http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

"The purpose of this not-for-profit site is to encourage those interested in
enjoying and preserving vintage lightweight "racing" style bicycles of the
period from the early 20th century until 1983."

What part of that description describes Gary Fisher?

Gary Fisher isn't a framebuilder of "lightweights" (i.e. lugged road bikes),
he is/was a mountain bike frame designer/marketer.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

On 07/25/2005 06:51 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Tom Kunich"

Quoted message said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The problem now with the Classic Rendezvous is that if you post
anything on that site you end up with scam artists emailing you for ten
months or more afterwards.

I had an old Grand Sport group that I thought someone might want and
posted it there. I never got one legitamate email about it but perhaps
several hundred scam artists.

So be VERY careful on that group and don't buy anything that doesn't
sound right.

Here's a link to the site associated with the email list, for anyone
interested. If you get in touch with Dale, the list owner, don't blame
whatever happens on me, please. I've already said what I think of him as
a list administrator (he's probably a nice guy otherwise but I wouldn't
know).

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

and the ads page,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/forsale.htm

I don't believe that the forsale column remains on Classic Rendezvous and I
suspect everyone else was having the same problem I had.

A funny thing about that site is that they don't have Gary Fisher listed!
That's sort of like having a website about the early aviators and leaving
out Glenn H. Curtiss.

From http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

"The purpose of this not-for-profit site is to encourage those interested in
enjoying and preserving vintage lightweight "racing" style bicycles of the
period from the early 20th century until 1983."

What part of that description describes Gary Fisher?

Gary Fisher isn't a framebuilder of "lightweights" (i.e. lugged road bikes),
he is/was a mountain bike frame designer/marketer.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

On 07/25/2005 06:51 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Tom Kunich"

Quoted message said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The problem now with the Classic Rendezvous is that if you post
anything on that site you end up with scam artists emailing you for ten
months or more afterwards.

I had an old Grand Sport group that I thought someone might want and
posted it there. I never got one legitamate email about it but perhaps
several hundred scam artists.

So be VERY careful on that group and don't buy anything that doesn't
sound right.

Here's a link to the site associated with the email list, for anyone
interested. If you get in touch with Dale, the list owner, don't blame
whatever happens on me, please. I've already said what I think of him as
a list administrator (he's probably a nice guy otherwise but I wouldn't
know).

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

and the ads page,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/forsale.htm

I don't believe that the forsale column remains on Classic Rendezvous and I
suspect everyone else was having the same problem I had.

A funny thing about that site is that they don't have Gary Fisher listed!
That's sort of like having a website about the early aviators and leaving
out Glenn H. Curtiss.

From http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

"The purpose of this not-for-profit site is to encourage those interested in
enjoying and preserving vintage lightweight "racing" style bicycles of the
period from the early 20th century until 1983."

What part of that description describes Gary Fisher?

Gary Fisher isn't a framebuilder of "lightweights" (i.e. lugged road bikes),
he is/was a mountain bike frame designer/marketer.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

On 07/25/2005 06:51 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Tom Kunich"

Quoted message said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The problem now with the Classic Rendezvous is that if you post
anything on that site you end up with scam artists emailing you for ten
months or more afterwards.

I had an old Grand Sport group that I thought someone might want and
posted it there. I never got one legitamate email about it but perhaps
several hundred scam artists.

So be VERY careful on that group and don't buy anything that doesn't
sound right.

Here's a link to the site associated with the email list, for anyone
interested. If you get in touch with Dale, the list owner, don't blame
whatever happens on me, please. I've already said what I think of him as
a list administrator (he's probably a nice guy otherwise but I wouldn't
know).

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

and the ads page,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/forsale.htm

I don't believe that the forsale column remains on Classic Rendezvous and I
suspect everyone else was having the same problem I had.

A funny thing about that site is that they don't have Gary Fisher listed!
That's sort of like having a website about the early aviators and leaving
out Glenn H. Curtiss.

From http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

"The purpose of this not-for-profit site is to encourage those interested in
enjoying and preserving vintage lightweight "racing" style bicycles of the
period from the early 20th century until 1983."

What part of that description describes Gary Fisher?

Gary Fisher isn't a framebuilder of "lightweights" (i.e. lugged road bikes),
he is/was a mountain bike frame designer/marketer.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

On 07/25/2005 06:51 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Tom Kunich"

Quoted message said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The problem now with the Classic Rendezvous is that if you post
anything on that site you end up with scam artists emailing you for ten
months or more afterwards.

I had an old Grand Sport group that I thought someone might want and
posted it there. I never got one legitamate email about it but perhaps
several hundred scam artists.

So be VERY careful on that group and don't buy anything that doesn't
sound right.

Here's a link to the site associated with the email list, for anyone
interested. If you get in touch with Dale, the list owner, don't blame
whatever happens on me, please. I've already said what I think of him as
a list administrator (he's probably a nice guy otherwise but I wouldn't
know).

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

and the ads page,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/forsale.htm

I don't believe that the forsale column remains on Classic Rendezvous and I
suspect everyone else was having the same problem I had.

A funny thing about that site is that they don't have Gary Fisher listed!
That's sort of like having a website about the early aviators and leaving
out Glenn H. Curtiss.

From http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

"The purpose of this not-for-profit site is to encourage those interested in
enjoying and preserving vintage lightweight "racing" style bicycles of the
period from the early 20th century until 1983."

What part of that description describes Gary Fisher?

Gary Fisher isn't a framebuilder of "lightweights" (i.e. lugged road bikes),
he is/was a mountain bike frame designer/marketer.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

On 07/25/2005 06:51 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Tom Kunich"

Quoted message said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The problem now with the Classic Rendezvous is that if you post
anything on that site you end up with scam artists emailing you for ten
months or more afterwards.

I had an old Grand Sport group that I thought someone might want and
posted it there. I never got one legitamate email about it but perhaps
several hundred scam artists.

So be VERY careful on that group and don't buy anything that doesn't
sound right.

Here's a link to the site associated with the email list, for anyone
interested. If you get in touch with Dale, the list owner, don't blame
whatever happens on me, please. I've already said what I think of him as
a list administrator (he's probably a nice guy otherwise but I wouldn't
know).

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

and the ads page,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/forsale.htm

I don't believe that the forsale column remains on Classic Rendezvous and I
suspect everyone else was having the same problem I had.

A funny thing about that site is that they don't have Gary Fisher listed!
That's sort of like having a website about the early aviators and leaving
out Glenn H. Curtiss.

From http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

"The purpose of this not-for-profit site is to encourage those interested in
enjoying and preserving vintage lightweight "racing" style bicycles of the
period from the early 20th century until 1983."

What part of that description describes Gary Fisher?

Gary Fisher isn't a framebuilder of "lightweights" (i.e. lugged road bikes),
he is/was a mountain bike frame designer/marketer.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [foreword] slash

curt said:

I don't know if this is a good place to ask, but I am looking for an older
Pinarello or Calnago (58-60) lugged steel track bike. I looked on ebay and
will continue, but is there anyone other places to look? Links or another
newsgroup?

Mike Gladu has this site:

http://www.velodrome.com/

You might have to dig a little. Some velodrome sites have "for sale"
listings.

http://members.aol.com/velodromes/4sale.html

Above is the For Sale page on Ken Hart's Welcome to the Velodromes.

I know you said "old, Pin., Col." but John Dacey has had some new steel
frames:

http://businesscycles.com/frame.htm

Happy hunting. --TP

curt said:

I don't know if this is a good place to ask, but I am looking for an older
Pinarello or Calnago (58-60) lugged steel track bike. I looked on ebay and
will continue, but is there anyone other places to look? Links or another
newsgroup?

Mike Gladu has this site:

http://www.velodrome.com/

You might have to dig a little. Some velodrome sites have "for sale"
listings.

http://members.aol.com/velodromes/4sale.html

Above is the For Sale page on Ken Hart's Welcome to the Velodromes.

I know you said "old, Pin., Col." but John Dacey has had some new steel
frames:

http://businesscycles.com/frame.htm

Happy hunting. --TP

curt said:

I don't know if this is a good place to ask, but I am looking for an older
Pinarello or Calnago (58-60) lugged steel track bike. I looked on ebay and
will continue, but is there anyone other places to look? Links or another
newsgroup?

Mike Gladu has this site:

http://www.velodrome.com/

You might have to dig a little. Some velodrome sites have "for sale"
listings.

http://members.aol.com/velodromes/4sale.html

Above is the For Sale page on Ken Hart's Welcome to the Velodromes.

I know you said "old, Pin., Col." but John Dacey has had some new steel
frames:

http://businesscycles.com/frame.htm

Happy hunting. --TP

curt said:

I don't know if this is a good place to ask, but I am looking for an older
Pinarello or Calnago (58-60) lugged steel track bike. I looked on ebay and
will continue, but is there anyone other places to look? Links or another
newsgroup?

Mike Gladu has this site:

http://www.velodrome.com/

You might have to dig a little. Some velodrome sites have "for sale"
listings.

http://members.aol.com/velodromes/4sale.html

Above is the For Sale page on Ken Hart's Welcome to the Velodromes.

I know you said "old, Pin., Col." but John Dacey has had some new steel
frames:

http://businesscycles.com/frame.htm

Happy hunting. --TP

curt said:

I don't know if this is a good place to ask, but I am looking for an older
Pinarello or Calnago (58-60) lugged steel track bike. I looked on ebay and
will continue, but is there anyone other places to look? Links or another
newsgroup?

Mike Gladu has this site:

http://www.velodrome.com/

You might have to dig a little. Some velodrome sites have "for sale"
listings.

http://members.aol.com/velodromes/4sale.html

Above is the For Sale page on Ken Hart's Welcome to the Velodromes.

I know you said "old, Pin., Col." but John Dacey has had some new steel
frames:

http://businesscycles.com/frame.htm

Happy hunting. --TP

curt said:

I don't know if this is a good place to ask, but I am looking for an older
Pinarello or Calnago (58-60) lugged steel track bike. I looked on ebay and
will continue, but is there anyone other places to look? Links or another
newsgroup?

Mike Gladu has this site:

http://www.velodrome.com/

You might have to dig a little. Some velodrome sites have "for sale"
listings.

http://members.aol.com/velodromes/4sale.html

Above is the For Sale page on Ken Hart's Welcome to the Velodromes.

I know you said "old, Pin., Col." but John Dacey has had some new steel
frames:

http://businesscycles.com/frame.htm

Happy hunting. --TP

curt said:

I don't know if this is a good place to ask, but I am looking for an older
Pinarello or Calnago (58-60) lugged steel track bike. I looked on ebay and
will continue, but is there anyone other places to look? Links or another
newsgroup?

Mike Gladu has this site:

http://www.velodrome.com/

You might have to dig a little. Some velodrome sites have "for sale"
listings.

http://members.aol.com/velodromes/4sale.html

Above is the For Sale page on Ken Hart's Welcome to the Velodromes.

I know you said "old, Pin., Col." but John Dacey has had some new steel
frames:

http://businesscycles.com/frame.htm

Happy hunting. --TP

"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On 07/25/2005 06:51 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Tom Kunich"

Quoted message said:

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> The problem now with the Classic Rendezvous is that if you post
> anything on that site you end up with scam artists emailing you for ten
> months or more afterwards.
>
> I had an old Grand Sport group that I thought someone might want and
> posted it there. I never got one legitamate email about it but perhaps
> several hundred scam artists.
>
> So be VERY careful on that group and don't buy anything that doesn't
> sound right.

Here's a link to the site associated with the email list, for anyone
interested. If you get in touch with Dale, the list owner, don't blame
whatever happens on me, please. I've already said what I think of him
as
a list administrator (he's probably a nice guy otherwise but I wouldn't
know).

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

and the ads page,

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/forsale.htm

I don't believe that the forsale column remains on Classic Rendezvous and
I
suspect everyone else was having the same problem I had.

A funny thing about that site is that they don't have Gary Fisher listed!
That's sort of like having a website about the early aviators and leaving
out Glenn H. Curtiss.

From http://www.classicrendezvous.com/

"The purpose of this not-for-profit site is to encourage those interested
in
enjoying and preserving vintage lightweight "racing" style bicycles of the
period from the early 20th century until 1983."

What part of that description describes Gary Fisher?

Gary Fisher isn't a framebuilder of "lightweights" (i.e. lugged road
bikes),
he is/was a mountain bike frame designer/marketer.

If you look on that site you'll find an article and pictures of Chris
Chance, Joe Breeze, Columbine Cycles, Bruce Gordon, Tom Kellogg, Paul Sadoff
and others who weren't out of school in '83.

Now I believe that the early MTB guys all should be honored for their
contributions. Especially if you're including SOME of them. And a couple of
the really great contributors was Gary Fisher and Cunningham - the two that
probably did more to force the MTB revolution than anyone else.

Isn't it about time you stop acting like a [censored]? The guy I met in
Sausalito was a pretty bright guy with a good attitude. I haven't seen a lot
of that from you since you've moved to Salt Lake City.