training help??

TrailRat said:

Thinking of signing up to 12 hour endurance event. I think i might be
able to cope with more training and was curious as to what might be
entailed as a solo rider. What would i need to include in my training
to be able to do this?

Miles. Lots of them.
Really boring riding that is mentally tough (ie riding the same
relatively hard circuit again and again where it is easy to give up and
go home.)
Bacon sandwhiches at appropriate intervals and gallons of tea.
A good saddle.

Quoted message said:

Any one ever done an endurance event?

I believe Mr Kahn may have done one or two short ones. How many days
did you have in mind?

...d

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TrailRat (') said:

Thinking of signing up to 12 hour endurance event. I think i might be
able to cope with more training and was curious as to what might be
entailed as a solo rider. What would i need to include in my training
to be able to do this?

Any one ever done an endurance event?

A twelve hour ride is presumably about 150 - 200 miles. I've never done
quite that much in one day. But the general rule of thumb is you can do
twice as much as a one-off as you're used to doing in a day, so you need
to build up to 70 - 80 mile training rides. Start at whatever your
current training ride distance is, work out how many weekends you've got
till your event, subtract three - you want to do all your last three at
70-80 miles - and divide by the difference between 80 miles and what
you're riding now. That's how much you need to add to your training
distance each week. If you can get two training runs in per week so much
the better, but two 40 mile runs on separate days definitely do not
equal one 80 mile ride.

There is no substitute for miles.

Also, be aware of how hilly the endurance event route is. Training on the
flat won't help you up the hills; you should aim to train on similar
routes if possible.

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TrailRat (') said:

Thinking of signing up to 12 hour endurance event. I think i might be
able to cope with more training and was curious as to what might be
entailed as a solo rider. What would i need to include in my training
to be able to do this?

Any one ever done an endurance event?

A twelve hour ride is presumably about 150 - 200 miles.

I'd look much closer to 150 than 200 depending on the terrain. It could
be off road too. I've done a couple of 12 hour rides, both of which
were well under the 150 mile mark (120 and 135).

Quoted message said:

There is no substitute for miles.

Also, be aware of how hilly the endurance event route is. Training on the
flat won't help you up the hills; you should aim to train on similar
routes if possible.

Or hillier.

...d

TrailRat said:

Thinking of signing up to 12 hour endurance event. I think i might be
able to cope with more training and was curious as to what might be
entailed as a solo rider. What would i need to include in my training
to be able to do this?

Any one ever done an endurance event?

TR

I have done several rides 12 hours or more in duration. Some 200km
rides have taken me 12 hours !!!! I just ride lots, speed isn't
something I care about, just miles. Just do rides of increasing
durations to get used to the time in the saddle. Maybe aim for a 200km
Audax as part of yur training, might take about 12 hours depending on
how fast you are, will be a good stepping stone to a longer ride.

TrailRat said:

Thinking of signing up to 12 hour endurance event. I think i might be
able to cope with more training and was curious as to what might be
entailed as a solo rider. What would i need to include in my training
to be able to do this?

Any one ever done an endurance event?

You really need to ride a lot of miles - then some more.
Over and over again and in whatever conditions throw at you.

You need to be able to pace yourself so that you effectively recover
while riding.
Riding in hilly areas with long climbs can help this.
Audax rides would be good preparation,

I used to ride 12 hour time trials (on a trike) and usually just
scraped over 200 miles, although the best ride (not the longest) was 217
in a hilly time trial in Switzerland.
I did ride one 24 hour TT (self-supported) and managed just over
350miles.

You need to get used to long hours in the saddle and to be able to eat
small amounts continually - malt loaf and honey was my favourite, and
chicken legs, although I did succumb to an English breakfast served up
in a village hall during the 24 hour :-)

....but above all - lots of miles.

John B

Thanks for the advice. I think the event is XC which is my favourite
terrain anyway.
Taking everything to heart. I can happily cope with 50 miles off
road/on road mix. This usually takes 5 hours, factoring in rest stops.
Usually I feel I could go further, but it depends on the weather. Might
just have to push a little harder whatever the weather from now on.

TR

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TrailRat (') said:

Thanks for the advice. I think the event is XC which is my favourite
terrain anyway.

If it's XC then a lot of this advice is slightly off-beam. You need to
get your miles in off-road. The distances will be shorter but the going
much tougher, and one thing you will definitely find is that as you get
tired and your concentration wanes you will find that your line gets a
lot worse, so take technical sections slower and more carefully.

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Simon Brooke said:

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TrailRat (') said:

Thanks for the advice. I think the event is XC which is my favourite
terrain anyway.

If it's XC then a lot of this advice is slightly off-beam.

My advice was certainly off the end of the spectrum :-(

I'm now struggling with the idea of preparing for 24hrs TT-ing behind over
Dartmoor bogs instead of over dual carriageways behind Sainsbury lorries.

Seriously the basics still stand - hours of riding and then some more.

I'd also say push yourself beyond your limits once or twice and experience
the 'bonk'.
You will become pre-warned about teh symptoms and it will make it *much*
easirer to avoid when the real hammer comes down.

John B
PS: Avoid HRMs - they are for softies ;-)

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John B
PS: Avoid HRMs - they are for softies ;-)

HRMs??? What's this?

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TrailRat (') said:

Quoted message said:

John B
PS: Avoid HRMs - they are for softies ;-)

HRMs??? What's this?

Heart Rate Monitors. I don't indulge, myself, but if you're training
seriously there's no doubt that getting, and learning to use, one is a
good thing.

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