Trek TCT vs OCLV?

Alan Hoyle said:

I know the TCT is made in Taiwan and the OCLV in Minnesota. Is there
any difference in their reliability and/or the warranty?

-alan

Might be a good question to research at the Trek Web Site.

The short answer is "no" on the warranty, so it should be "no" on the
reliability.

Alan Hoyle said:

I know the TCT is made in Taiwan and the OCLV in Minnesota. Is there
any difference in their reliability and/or the warranty?

-alan

Treks are made in Wisconsin not Minnesota.

Jeff said:

Alan Hoyle said:

I know the TCT is made in Taiwan and the OCLV in Minnesota. Is there
any difference in their reliability and/or the warranty?
-alan

Treks are made in Wisconsin not Minnesota.

Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
the bikes out there

Steve

Steve said:

Jeff said:

Alan Hoyle said:

I know the TCT is made in Taiwan and the OCLV in Minnesota. Is there
any difference in their reliability and/or the warranty?
-alan

Quoted message said:

Treks are made in Wisconsin not Minnesota.

Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
the bikes out there

Steve

DOLAN SEZ HE'S FROM MINNESOTA

Steve said:

Jeff said:

Alan Hoyle said:

I know the TCT is made in Taiwan and the OCLV in Minnesota. Is there
any difference in their reliability and/or the warranty?
-alan

Quoted message said:

Treks are made in Wisconsin not Minnesota.

Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
the bikes out there

Has the figure fallen to only 87.5% recently? ;-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
the bikes out there

Has the figure fallen to only 87.5% recently? ;-)

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Chrysler just struck a deal with China to them make their small cars. Some
are alarmed as this could be the beginning of the end of manufacturing cars
in the USA. If they look what happened in the bike industry, auto unions
should be very worried.

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
the bikes out there

Has the figure fallen to only 87.5% recently? ;-)

--------
Chrysler just struck a deal with China to them make their small cars. Some
are alarmed as this could be the beginning of the end of manufacturing cars
in the USA. If they look what happened in the bike industry, auto unions
should be very worried.

shipping manufacturing overseas is unbelievably retarded. this is a
national security issue. no manufacturing capacity means no military
capacity. rome fell when she outsourced domestic security to foreign
mercenaries - effectively what we're doing here.

the solution is retaining domestic manufacturing and converting to
automation. just as cheap, completely secure.

jim beam said:

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

> Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
> the bikes out there

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Has the figure fallen to only 87.5% recently? ;-)

--------
Chrysler just struck a deal with China to them make their small cars. Some
are alarmed as this could be the beginning of the end of manufacturing cars
in the USA. If they look what happened in the bike industry, auto unions
should be very worried.

shipping manufacturing overseas is unbelievably retarded. this is a
national security issue.

I am not "anti-Chinese", but outsourcing so much US manufacturing to a
country with so much military potential is a colossal blunder, IMO.
Not only are we gutting our industrial infrastructure, but we are also
giving away our technical expertise.

Quoted message said:

no manufacturing capacity means no military
capacity. rome fell when she outsourced domestic security to foreign
mercenaries - effectively what we're doing here.

the solution is retaining domestic manufacturing and converting to
automation. just as cheap, completely secure.

Hmmm...can US based automated manufacture be "just as cheap" as
Chinese automated manufacture, especially when the Chinese are allowed
to keep their currency undervalued?

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
the bikes out there

Has the figure fallen to only 87.5% recently? ;-)

--------
Chrysler just struck a deal with China to them make their small cars. Some
are alarmed as this could be the beginning of the end of manufacturing cars
in the USA. If they look what happened in the bike industry, auto unions
should be very worried.

At least we're still printing greenbacks in this country. For now
that's all we need. Soon that will be all we have. Then we'll
outsource that task.

Bill Westphal said:

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

> Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
> the bikes out there

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Has the figure fallen to only 87.5% recently? ;-)

--------
Chrysler just struck a deal with China to them make their small cars. Some
are alarmed as this could be the beginning of the end of manufacturing cars
in the USA. If they look what happened in the bike industry, auto unions
should be very worried.

At least we're still printing greenbacks in this country. For now
that's all we need. Soon that will be all we have. Then we'll
outsource that task.

if one wants to deal with the issue then review the economics of the
pre devalued Japanese currency problem, take a look at the suntour
derays from that period: edwardian

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Alan Hoyle wrote:
> I know the TCT is made in Taiwan and the OCLV in Minnesota. Is there
> any difference in their reliability and/or the warranty?

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Jeff said:

Treks are made in Wisconsin not Minnesota.

Quoted message said:

Steve said:

Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
the bikes out there

Ozark Bicycle said:

Has the figure fallen to only 87.5% recently? ;-)

Free China and Mainland China together don't comprise 100% due to
various fractional contributions from Italy, USA, Japan, others. We Be
Toys has Indonesian BSOs now for example.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

jim beam said:

shipping manufacturing overseas is unbelievably retarded. this is a
national security issue. no manufacturing capacity means no military
capacity. rome fell when she outsourced domestic security to foreign
mercenaries - effectively what we're doing here.

the solution is retaining domestic manufacturing and converting to
automation. just as cheap, completely secure.

If it were just as cheap, at least some of our manufacturing industry
would stay and prosper. Few have stayed; fewer have prospered. They
had a good look at the short-term costs and they decided their
production was going off to the Far East.

Anyway, since ours is not a centrally controlled economy, the only way
for anything other than the basest profit motive to weigh into these
decisions is the application of heavy tariffs or other unfashionable
"protectionist" market interventions. That might eventually happen
here, but only /after/ the upcoming economic collapse.

As soon as it becomes economically infeasible to ship all our consumer
goods eight thousand miles by diesel boat before it even lands on
American soil, we'll be faced with the opportunity (if not the means)
to rebuild our manufacturing base.

Allow me to observe that the US's military misadventures of the last
sixty years are strong arguments for NOT retaining a heavy industrial
capability in this country. For better or worse, there are some other
reasons for us to do it anyway.

Chalo

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:14:53 -0600, Bill Westphal <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

> Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
> the bikes out there
>

Has the figure fallen to only 87.5% recently? ;-)

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Chrysler just struck a deal with China to them make their small cars. Some
are alarmed as this could be the beginning of the end of manufacturing cars
in the USA. If they look what happened in the bike industry, auto unions
should be very worried.

At least we're still printing greenbacks in this country.

They are alledgely printed in at least once East Asian country as
well.
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
the bikes out there

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Has the figure fallen to only 87.5% recently? ;-)

Callistus Valerius said:

Chrysler just struck a deal with China to them make their small cars. Some
are alarmed as this could be the beginning of the end of manufacturing cars
in the USA. If they look what happened in the bike industry, auto unions
should be very worried.

If they woke up and smelled the coffee they should be very worried. Jobs
of similar skill and exertion don't pay as much in other industries or
even in other auto plants so their product is inherently more expensive.

If their productivity or quality were commensurately higher they would
have no worries.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Ozark Bicycle said:

jim beam said:

Callistus Valerius said:

>> Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
>> the bikes out there
> Has the figure fallen to only 87.5% recently? ;-)
--------
Chrysler just struck a deal with China to them make their small cars. Some
are alarmed as this could be the beginning of the end of manufacturing cars
in the USA. If they look what happened in the bike industry, auto unions
should be very worried.

shipping manufacturing overseas is unbelievably retarded. this is a
national security issue.

I am not "anti-Chinese", but outsourcing so much US manufacturing to a
country with so much military potential is a colossal blunder, IMO.
Not only are we gutting our industrial infrastructure, but we are also
giving away our technical expertise.

Quoted message said:

no manufacturing capacity means no military
capacity. rome fell when she outsourced domestic security to foreign
mercenaries - effectively what we're doing here.

the solution is retaining domestic manufacturing and converting to
automation. just as cheap, completely secure.

Hmmm...can US based automated manufacture be "just as cheap" as
Chinese automated manufacture

there's not much of that - it's all mostly manual labor.

Quoted message said:

, especially when the Chinese are allowed
to keep their currency undervalued?

they don't let it float because they don't want it to! and we let them!
have you any idea how much headache we'd have if the chinese suddenly
didn't show up for a treasury auction? the chinese do. /that/ is why
we grumble but without substantive action.

Bill Westphal said:

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

> Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
> the bikes out there
>
Has the figure fallen to only 87.5% recently? ;-)

--------
Chrysler just struck a deal with China to them make their small cars. Some
are alarmed as this could be the beginning of the end of manufacturing cars
in the USA. If they look what happened in the bike industry, auto unions
should be very worried.

At least we're still printing greenbacks in this country. For now
that's all we need. Soon that will be all we have. Then we'll
outsource that task.

but n.korea does a roaring trade in printing our c-notes doesn't it?

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On Jul 13, 9:22 pm, A Muzi <[email hidden]> wrote:

the nuke plant in pinellas looks like a small time muffler factory
allied signal hand grendade ditto ceptin larger, more ominous.

Do they still have the occasional time trial in Ft DeSoto?

Carl
Used to commute by bike to work across the Courtney Campbell Causeway when
it was two lane road.

In article <[email hidden]>,

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Alan Hoyle wrote:
>> I know the TCT is made in Taiwan and the OCLV in Minnesota. Is there
>> any difference in their reliability and/or the warranty?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Jeff wrote:
> Treks are made in Wisconsin not Minnesota.

Quoted message said:

Steve said:

Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
the bikes out there

Ozark Bicycle said:

Has the figure fallen to only 87.5% recently? ;-)

Free China and Mainland China together don't comprise 100% due to
various fractional contributions from Italy, USA, Japan, others. We Be
Toys has Indonesian BSOs now for example.

Yeah, but now do the numbers by value of bikes. Not sure where the
world's vast rafts of utility bikes would fit into the equation, but
half the bike business in the US, by dollars, goes through bicycle
retailers, not Wal- et al.

Of course, a fair number of LBS bikes are Taiwanese in origin (though at
this point Taiwan is clearly where Japan was in the early 80s: source of
some of the highest-quality bikes on the planet, only a bit less
expensive), and some are even Chinese, but it would not surprise me to
hear that the "neither-China" portion of the US bike market, by dollars,
was closer to 25% than 12.5%.

Not that I have the numbers either way, but that's a Fermi-style guess.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

jim beam who? said:

Callistus Valerius said:

Quoted message said:

> Actually *most* treks are made in taiwan and china just like 87.5% of
> the bikes out there
>
Has the figure fallen to only 87.5% recently? ;-)

--------
Chrysler just struck a deal with China to them make their small cars.
Some
are alarmed as this could be the beginning of the end of manufacturing
cars
in the USA. If they look what happened in the bike industry, auto unions
should be very worried.

shipping manufacturing overseas is unbelievably retarded. this is a
national security issue. no manufacturing capacity means no military
capacity. rome fell when she outsourced domestic security to foreign
mercenaries - effectively what we're doing here.

the solution is retaining domestic manufacturing and converting to
automation. just as cheap, completely secure.

Do you think the people making these decisions care about anything other
than satisfying their greed for MORE MORE MORE?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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