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  1. It was a dark and stormy night ...wait wrong story.

    This was my planned first race of the year. Training recently was not
    going as planned, due to life in general. Last weekend was spent
    moving some furiture and painting. I did not get out for any running
    those two days. Then the work week began with a software upgrade going
    out. Busy days and some sleepless nights. I finally went to run
    Thursday afternoon, after being up since 3AM. I decided, it's 2days
    before the race, I cannot work on speed, so I went for distance. I
    took a nice 8mile run. Found a variation to the usual loop that
    included a paved trail thru the wooded city park. Afterwards I was
    nearly four pounds lighter and pretty hungry. Another background
    factor: I have been able to loose a few pounds. Not much, just 6pounds
    in 8 weeks, but steady loss.

    Okay the general facts:
    Bogsucker strut 5K
    Twinsburg, Ohio
    10AM start
    Temp: TV reported 50F but felt cooler
    Out and back course with peak at the start/finish, and part of the run
    on paved trail in the park.
    Goal: under 30:00
    shoes: Nike Free 4.0

    Prerace: I got up to let the dogs out and had a bowl of cereal, more
    than I usually have prerace, but I figured it was 2hour before, so
    what could it hurt? Well at the race, I think I had digested the
    cereal but felt the milk still on my stomach. I thought "great I blew
    it", well drink some water to dilute it. Warmed up about 10minutes to
    get the heart pumping.

    Small crowd (under 100??), even for this race. I pass the start line
    in seconds of the starting horn. I try not to get sucked into the
    faster pace of others since I have no idea what they are trying to
    run. I start to settle into a comfortable pace when I hear another guy
    talking about his usual pace is 9:30, but he likes to start slow. I
    figure I will shadow him, hold onto him at least for the first mile.

    I'm passed by some people and I gain it back on the downhill. So we
    come to the first mile and the keeper calls out 8:45. WHAT? Did I
    reall run that fast? It didn't seem that fast? Can I hold it? only one
    way to know: keep running!

    the 9:30 guy moves away, as we see the leaders coming back. 9:30 must
    be his LSD training pace. No one passes me except three women just
    before the turn around. Time 13:47. Going back I gain on a couple
    people but the crowd is thin. Now the two mile marker I pass at 18:04.
    I slowed but I could slow more and still make my goal.

    I try to change focus from time to race. there's a guy ahead of me
    that I try to reel in. We get to the start of the hill up and I hear
    footsteps and breathing behind me, and that gives me a push. I
    increase speed just a little to pull away on this hill. the guy ahead
    slows to a walk near a level part of the hill. I catch him just as
    there is a small downhill slope. He manages to regain the lead on the
    downhill. As we turn onto the straightaway toward the finish he has a
    ten yard lead. I try to finish strong and as I pass him I yell, comon,
    kick it in. I look at the clock and I cannot beleive it I just turned
    28:00 and I finish about 28:15!

    I was amazed at my time. Two factors I think affect the improvement.
    The big one must be weight loss. It certainly wasn'y training. The
    other might be the shoes. This was the first race wearing the Nike
    Free shoes They felt good. I certainly do not think I will wear them
    on a long race, but they sem right for a 5K.

    SO it took a few more months than I planned (originally planned to get
    back below 30:00 5k back in december '06), but I did it. AND got
    first place in my age group.

    It was a fun run. Hopefully the crowd will increase so this race
    keeps going. I'd rather this race be a little bigger, then for me to
    get a trpohy. Overall the race was slower. First place overall was
    over 18minutes.

    Good weather, nice crowd. I talked to the two guys I battled near the
    end. Both were in the 40 age groups. We had a good time.

    Enjoy the run, got more painting to do!
    ed

  2. "Ed Prochak" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Beat your target and snagged some hardware! Great job, Ed!

    Yeah, weight makes a lot of difference in racing -- both on your
    gut and on your feet. I've got a pair of those NF 4.0 and I
    believe they're close to 8 oz -- pretty light. I use mine on the
    rare occasions when I run on a treadmill.

  3. Ed Prochak said:

    SO it took a few more months than I planned (originally planned to get
    back below 30:00 5k back in december '06), but I did it. AND got
    first place in my age group.

    Fantastic, Ed! Congrats. Have you won your AG before?

    Nice report too. I still think your local races have the best names
    of anyone here.

    Quoted message said:

    had a bowl of cereal, more than I usually have prerace, but I
    figured it was 2hour before, so what could it hurt?

    Heh, the old "try something different on race day, what could it
    hurt?"

    FWIW I've found 3 hours is just about enough to digest even a hearty
    Nordic breakfast before a race (1) but with less lead time than that,
    I stick with my time-tested banana or instant oats at the most. Your
    mileage will of course vary but it's best to work the timing vs. foods
    out on training runs. Which I'm sure you already know, Ed; I'm just
    pontificating in case it's useful news to newbie lurkers.

    Quoted message said:

    Training recently was not going as planned, due to life in
    general. Last weekend was spent moving some furiture and
    painting. I did not get out for any running those two days.

    Yeah, as I've been reminded these last few weeks, if you don't
    schedule runs pretty firmly or make them top priority and instead
    figure you'll get out "when this other stuff is done", they tend not
    to happen.

    Good luck not only in your upcoming races, but also in training
    however consistently you'd like to.

    (1) Not that there's often a good reason to stuff oneself before any
    race shorter than an ultra, but sometimes one finds oneself in a
    Helsinki hotel which puts out a terrific breakfast buffet...

  4. "Ed Prochak" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    | It was a dark and stormy night ...wait wrong story.
    |
    | This was my planned first race of the year. Training recently was not
    | going as planned, due to life in general. Last weekend was spent
    | moving some furiture and painting. I did not get out for any running
    | those two days. Then the work week began with a software upgrade going
    | out. Busy days and some sleepless nights. I finally went to run
    | Thursday afternoon, after being up since 3AM. I decided, it's 2days
    | before the race, I cannot work on speed, so I went for distance. I
    | took a nice 8mile run. Found a variation to the usual loop that
    | included a paved trail thru the wooded city park. Afterwards I was
    | nearly four pounds lighter and pretty hungry. Another background
    | factor: I have been able to loose a few pounds. Not much, just 6pounds
    | in 8 weeks, but steady loss.
    |
    | Okay the general facts:
    | Bogsucker strut 5K
    | Twinsburg, Ohio
    | 10AM start
    | Temp: TV reported 50F but felt cooler
    | Out and back course with peak at the start/finish, and part of the run
    | on paved trail in the park.
    | Goal: under 30:00
    | shoes: Nike Free 4.0
    |
    | Prerace: I got up to let the dogs out and had a bowl of cereal, more
    | than I usually have prerace, but I figured it was 2hour before, so
    | what could it hurt? Well at the race, I think I had digested the
    | cereal but felt the milk still on my stomach. I thought "great I blew
    | it", well drink some water to dilute it. Warmed up about 10minutes to
    | get the heart pumping.
    |
    | Small crowd (under 100??), even for this race. I pass the start line
    | in seconds of the starting horn. I try not to get sucked into the
    | faster pace of others since I have no idea what they are trying to
    | run. I start to settle into a comfortable pace when I hear another guy
    | talking about his usual pace is 9:30, but he likes to start slow. I
    | figure I will shadow him, hold onto him at least for the first mile.
    |
    | I'm passed by some people and I gain it back on the downhill. So we
    | come to the first mile and the keeper calls out 8:45. WHAT? Did I
    | reall run that fast? It didn't seem that fast? Can I hold it? only one
    | way to know: keep running!
    |
    | the 9:30 guy moves away, as we see the leaders coming back. 9:30 must
    | be his LSD training pace. No one passes me except three women just
    | before the turn around. Time 13:47. Going back I gain on a couple
    | people but the crowd is thin. Now the two mile marker I pass at 18:04.
    | I slowed but I could slow more and still make my goal.
    |
    | I try to change focus from time to race. there's a guy ahead of me
    | that I try to reel in. We get to the start of the hill up and I hear
    | footsteps and breathing behind me, and that gives me a push. I
    | increase speed just a little to pull away on this hill. the guy ahead
    | slows to a walk near a level part of the hill. I catch him just as
    | there is a small downhill slope. He manages to regain the lead on the
    | downhill. As we turn onto the straightaway toward the finish he has a
    | ten yard lead. I try to finish strong and as I pass him I yell, comon,
    | kick it in. I look at the clock and I cannot beleive it I just turned
    | 28:00 and I finish about 28:15!
    |
    | I was amazed at my time. Two factors I think affect the improvement.
    | The big one must be weight loss. It certainly wasn'y training. The
    | other might be the shoes. This was the first race wearing the Nike
    | Free shoes They felt good. I certainly do not think I will wear them
    | on a long race, but they sem right for a 5K.
    |
    | SO it took a few more months than I planned (originally planned to get
    | back below 30:00 5k back in december '06), but I did it. AND got
    | first place in my age group.
    |
    | It was a fun run. Hopefully the crowd will increase so this race
    | keeps going. I'd rather this race be a little bigger, then for me to
    | get a trpohy. Overall the race was slower. First place overall was
    | over 18minutes.
    |
    | Good weather, nice crowd. I talked to the two guys I battled near the
    | end. Both were in the 40 age groups. We had a good time.
    |
    | Enjoy the run, got more painting to do!
    | ed

    Congratulations on AG win and a lot better time than the goal time.

    You had mentioned a couple of months about us having similar goals,
    improving HM & M times. How is that going? where are you now with
    your long runs?

  5. On Mar 31, 11:37 pm, "Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Ed Prochak said:

    SO it took a few more months than I planned (originally planned to get
    back below 30:00 5k back in december '06), but I did it. AND got
    first place in my age group.

    Fantastic, Ed! Congrats. Have you won your AG before?

    No. last year I was third out of 3 in the AG. This year I see I'm 1
    out of 2. Crowd was slightly smaller 49 this year vs. 54 last year.

    Quoted message said:


    Nice report too. I still think your local races have the best names
    of anyone here.

    Well, some of the smaller ones. I got talked into doing the CVS
    Cleveland race in May. No, not the marathon (maybe next year?), just
    the 10K.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    had a bowl of cereal, more than I usually have prerace, but I
    figured it was 2hour before, so what could it hurt?

    Heh, the old "try something different on race day, what could it
    hurt?"

    Well apparently this time I dodged the bullet. But I think I'll go
    back to my typical couple crackers and some juice next time.

    Quoted message said:


    FWIW I've found 3 hours is just about enough to digest even a hearty
    Nordic breakfast before a race (1) but with less lead time than that,
    I stick with my time-tested banana or instant oats at the most. Your
    mileage will of course vary but it's best to work the timing vs. foods
    out on training runs. Which I'm sure you already know, Ed; I'm just
    pontificating in case it's useful news to newbie lurkers.

    That's what I do to.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Training recently was not going as planned, due to life in
    general. Last weekend was spent moving some furiture and
    painting. I did not get out for any running those two days.

    Yeah, as I've been reminded these last few weeks, if you don't
    schedule runs pretty firmly or make them top priority and instead
    figure you'll get out "when this other stuff is done", they tend not
    to happen.

    Good luck not only in your upcoming races, but also in training
    however consistently you'd like to.

    I hope the next couple months will settle back down. The big software
    release is out, so I am back to coding. I shouldn't be getting any
    more 3am support call for a while.

    Thanks for the support.
    ed

  6. I2Run said:


    Congratulations on AG win and a lot better time than the goal time.

    You had mentioned a couple of months about us having similar goals,
    improving HM & M times. How is that going? where are you now with
    your long runs?

    Well, long run has been stuck about 7-8miles for over a month. This
    weekend, I'll extend it a little, but I'll be doing it at my sister's
    house in Columbus. I should get it up to 10 on that run. Otherwise,
    right now I need to review my plans and rest them some. I decided to
    do the 10k in May. I'll try to do another 5K in April.

    I will say, that race got me a little pumped up. This week should be a
    good training week. I will NOT miss my run today! (yesterday was spent
    painting, and buying a new water heater!)

    I'll post in the training week thread. See you there.

  7. MarkH said:

    "Ed Prochak" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Beat your target and snagged some hardware! Great job, Ed!

    Thanks.

    Quoted message said:


    Yeah, weight makes a lot of difference in racing -- both on your
    gut and on your feet. I've got a pair of those NF 4.0 and I
    believe they're close to 8 oz -- pretty light. I use mine on the
    rare occasions when I run on a treadmill.

    Treadmill, yucky poo!

    Now my next test/question on the shoes is: is 10K too long?
    I will have to try some longer training runs with them. I know I
    cannot wear shoes like that for longer than 10K. I think I need the
    cushioning on those longer runs. We will see.

    between the three factors: training, weight loss, and shoes. I
    improved nearly 2minutes. I think there was some fudge factor estimate
    of something like a few seconds per mile per pound of weight loss. If
    it was as high as 5seconds/mile/# then weight loss was 90 seconds
    (6pounds, 3miles). Seems high to me. Even with the broken training
    schedule, I think training was a big part. Then the shoes. Dang there
    are just too many variables with an experiment of one! 8^)

    Guess I'll have to try my next 5K with regular shoes and see what
    happens. I'll let you know.

    Ed

  8. Woohooo, way to go Ed! Congrats on the AG 1st (is it the
    first?), beating 30:00 easily, and the weight loss! Good
    luck on the painting, don't work too hard!

    Teresa in AZ

    Ed Prochak said:


    Bogsucker strut 5K
    Twinsburg, Ohio
    10AM start
    Temp: TV reported 50F but felt cooler
    Out and back course with peak at the start/finish, and part of the run
    on paved trail in the park.
    Goal: under 30:00
    shoes: Nike Free 4.0

    ten yard lead. I try to finish strong and as I pass him I yell, comon,
    kick it in. I look at the clock and I cannot beleive it I just turned
    28:00 and I finish about 28:15!

    Quoted message said:

    I was amazed at my time. Two factors I think affect the improvement.
    The big one must be weight loss. It certainly wasn'y training. The
    other might be the shoes. This was the first race wearing the Nike
    Free shoes They felt good. I certainly do not think I will wear them
    on a long race, but they sem right for a 5K.

    Quoted message said:

    SO it took a few more months than I planned (originally planned to get
    back below 30:00 5k back in december '06), but I did it. AND got
    first place in my age group.

    Enjoy the run, got more painting to do!
    ed

  9. On Apr 2, 12:35 pm, Teresa Bippert-Plymate <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Woohooo, way to go Ed! Congrats on the AG 1st (is it the
    first?), beating 30:00 easily, and the weight loss! Good
    luck on the painting, don't work too hard!

    Teresa in AZ

    Hi,
    yes it is my first First place AG award. I did not think they had
    called my name when they did. To keep this in perspective, if I ran
    this same time (28:17) last year, I would have only moved passed
    second place (who had a time of 29:35). So while I am enjoying it, I
    am also being realistic on my skill (or current lack thereof). Again
    it is all a matter of who shows up.

    Okay I shouldn't have, but I just did the WAVA calc. Apparently, for
    my age, the target time is 25:02 which makes my result in this race
    130% WAVA. Looks like I have some work ahead of me. See you out on the
    road.

    Anyway Thanks for the support! And I hope you get all healed up for
    the peak of the season.

    ed

  10. Ed Prochak said:

    Hi,
    yes it is my first First place AG award. I did not think they had
    called my name when they did. To keep this in perspective, if I ran
    this same time (28:17) last year, I would have only moved passed
    second place (who had a time of 29:35). So while I am enjoying it, I
    am also being realistic on my skill (or current lack thereof). Again
    it is all a matter of who shows up.

    Well, I consider AGs just part of the fun, since *really* you're
    competing with yourself with your time. Ags really are a matter of who
    got out of bed that day. But still, it is pretty cool getting some
    goodies!

    Quoted message said:

    Okay I shouldn't have, but I just did the WAVA calc. Apparently, for
    my age, the target time is 25:02 which makes my result in this race
    130% WAVA. Looks like I have some work ahead of me. See you out on the
    road.

    130%??? 100% is world-record....are you sure you read that right? ;-)
    Most of us are trying to get/stay above 70% if posssible....

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway Thanks for the support! And I hope you get all healed up for
    the peak of the season.

    ed

    Thanks, it's much better now. I'm pretty sure I'll be ready for the
    10K in May. Hubby and I are discussing a marathon in July up in Calgary,
    obstensibly to visit a freind we've been meaning to visit for a long
    time. Though marathon training in the desert in summer is pretty
    horrible, I'd really look forward to another one!

    Take care Ed!

    Teresa in AZ

  11. On Apr 3, 12:04 pm, Teresa Bippert-Plymate <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Ed Prochak wrote:


    []

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Okay I shouldn't have, but I just did the WAVA calc. Apparently, for
    my age, the target time is 25:02 which makes my result in this race
    130% WAVA. Looks like I have some work ahead of me. See you out on the
    road.

    130%??? 100% is world-record....are you sure you read that right? ;-)
    Most of us are trying to get/stay above 70% if posssible....

    I must be reading it wrong. It says
    Age-performance %: 130.62
    I thought this meant I was 30% too slow.

    This was the site I used:
    http://free-ideas.org/~jess/track/grubb/wavalookup.html
    Oh shooot, the distance got set to 12K! So that explains it (I
    wondered about that 130%) now when I reset it back to 5K this looks
    much better. Good thing I still had that window open.

    the age graded result is 24:51 and performance % is 52.2%
    (shows how often I use this WAVA thing.) So that 52% means I'm just
    about midpack, right? And my 5K time would have been 24:51 at age 30?
    with proper training? or something like that?

    Thanks for catching my mistake. So the goal is to improve the
    performance % rating. Okay I'll keep this in mind. (for a programmer
    sometimes I'm just terrible with numbers
    Ed

  12. Ed Prochak said:

    On Apr 3, 12:04 pm, Teresa Bippert-Plymate <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Ed Prochak wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Okay I shouldn't have, but I just did the WAVA calc. Apparently, for
    my age, the target time is 25:02 which makes my result in this race
    130% WAVA. Looks like I have some work ahead of me. See you out on the
    road.

    130%??? 100% is world-record....are you sure you read that right? ;-)
    Most of us are trying to get/stay above 70% if posssible....

    I must be reading it wrong. It says
    Age-performance %: 130.62
    I thought this meant I was 30% too slow.

    This was the site I used:
    http://free-ideas.org/~jess/track/grubb/wavalookup.html
    Oh shooot, the distance got set to 12K! So that explains it (I
    wondered about that 130%) now when I reset it back to 5K this looks
    much better. Good thing I still had that window open.

    the age graded result is 24:51 and performance % is 52.2%
    (shows how often I use this WAVA thing.) So that 52% means I'm just
    about midpack, right? And my 5K time would have been 24:51 at age 30?
    with proper training? or something like that?

    Thanks for catching my mistake. So the goal is to improve the
    performance % rating. Okay I'll keep this in mind. (for a programmer
    sometimes I'm just terrible with numbers
    Ed

    Hi Ed-

    Yeah, you have to watch that the inputs don't change themselves, I've
    had that happen too. The way I understand it, anything above 90% is
    "world-class" type times, 80's are "nationally competitive", 70's
    are "regionally" competitive times, 60's are "local". So yes, 50's would
    be around midpackin'. I'm desperately trying to hang on to the
    occaisional over-70. Though it actually looks like it'll be easier the
    next few years, once the hammy is better!

    Teresa in AZ

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