Tyler guarantees.....

Well, I guess that settles it then. Because we know, for example, that Riachard Virenque never claimed to be innocent.

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Well, I guess that settles it then. Because we know, for example, that
Riachard Virenque never claimed to be innocent.

Maybe you missed the fact that EVERYONE else on his team admitted to doping
and Richard's name was in Voet's book with times and dosages.

We haven't seen anything like that from Hamilton. Only the unremitting
assurance from WADA that their test is infallible as long as they don't tell
us what it is, how it works and what the ACTUAL results were.

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Well, I guess that settles it then. Because we know, for example, that
Riachard Virenque never claimed to be innocent.

Dude, haven't you been reading Grape Ape's posts?
If so, you should know by now that American's don't dope.
Only those "weak minded" Euros do.

- Boyd S.
taking a break from doing brain push-ups

Tom Kunich said:

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Well, I guess that settles it then. Because we know, for example, that
Riachard Virenque never claimed to be innocent.

Maybe you missed the fact that EVERYONE else on his team admitted to doping
and Richard's name was in Voet's book with times and dosages.

We haven't seen anything like that from Hamilton. Only the unremitting
assurance from WADA that their test is infallible as long as they don't tell
us what it is, how it works and what the ACTUAL results were.

I agree with Tom on this one. I'm surprised at you patch70 (da [censored]
kind of screen name is that?)

Magilla

Boyd Speerschneider said:

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Well, I guess that settles it then. Because we know, for example, that
Riachard Virenque never claimed to be innocent.

Dude, haven't you been reading Grape Ape's posts?
If so, you should know by now that American's don't dope.
Only those "weak minded" Euros do.

- Boyd S.
taking a break from doing brain push-ups

That is basically correct. Thanks. Although Grape Ape is an entirely
different gorilla than me. I am Magilla and I live in a pet shop.

Magilla

We have a very

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strong case ... (snip) my lawyers are
confident. We'll have to really wait until then (January) and then I can
tell you the story, it's an incredible story and the world will see that
I'm innocent, I can guarantee that."

Unfortunately, his lawyers are confident that they will get many
billable hours. Although, I completely believe Tyler.

Tom Kunich said:

Maybe you missed the fact that EVERYONE else on his team admitted to doping and Richard's name was in Voet's book with times and dosages.

Maybe you missed the fact that I used Virenque as an example.
The vast majority of those who get caught doping, Virenque included, start out protesting their innocence. Some give up this claim eventually, eg Virenque, Millar, others continue to claim innocence eg Pantani.

Just because TH says he really really is innocent, this does not mean much. Of course he'll say he's innocent until the case is heard and he still has a chance of getting off on a technicality. Sorry the example was too complex for you.

MagillaGorilla said:

(da [censored] kind of screen name is that?)

Wow, that is funny. Having my first name and year of birth questioned by someone who calls themself MagillaGorilla.

quote='MagillaGorilla'Boyd Speerschneider said:

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Well, I guess that settles it then. Because we know, for example, that
Riachard Virenque never claimed to be innocent.

Dude, haven't you been reading Grape Ape's posts?
If so, you should know by now that American's don't dope.
Only those "weak minded" Euros do.

- Boyd S.
taking a break from doing brain push-ups

That is basically correct. Thanks. Although Grape Ape is an entirely
different gorilla than me. I am Magilla and I live in a pet shop.

Magilla[/QUOTE]

Pet shop? But your address says zoo. Did you escape the zoo and return to Mr. Pebbles? 😕

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Tom Kunich said:

Maybe you missed the fact that EVERYONE else on his team admitted to
doping and Richard's name was in Voet's book with times and dosages.

Maybe you missed the fact that I used Virenque as an example.
The vast majority of those who get caught doping, Virenque included,
start out protesting their innocence. Some give up this claim
eventually, eg Virenque, Millar, others continue to claim innocence eg
Pantani.

Just because TH says he really really is innocent, this does not mean
much. Of course he'll say he's innocent until the case is heard and he
still has a chance of getting off on a technicality. Sorry the example
was too complex for you.

Certainly but since there's never been the slightest evidence that
Tyler was using performance enhancing drugs or "procedures" before we
ought to let this one play out.

This isn't the case with Pantani or Virenque or many others who were
generally accused after being caught with the goods or by their
associates having doping schedules etc.

Miller confessed.

I understand what you're saying - that a cry of innocence doesn't mean
innocence and while I agree with it, you can hardly call Pantani's
test of 54% no reason to suspect him of doping.

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Tom Kunich said:

Maybe you missed the fact that EVERYONE else on his team admitted to
doping and Richard's name was in Voet's book with times and dosages.

Maybe you missed the fact that I used Virenque as an example.
The vast majority of those who get caught doping, Virenque included,
start out protesting their innocence. Some give up this claim
eventually, eg Virenque, Millar, others continue to claim innocence eg
Pantani.

Just because TH says he really really is innocent, this does not mean
much. Of course he'll say he's innocent until the case is heard and he
still has a chance of getting off on a technicality. Sorry the example
was too complex for you.

Certainly but since there's never been the slightest evidence that
Tyler was using performance enhancing drugs or "procedures" before we
ought to let this one play out.

Dr. Prentiss Steffen.

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Tom Kunich Wrote:
> Maybe you missed the fact that EVERYONE else on his team admitted to
> doping and Richard's name was in Voet's book with times and dosages.

Maybe you missed the fact that I used Virenque as an example.
The vast majority of those who get caught doping, Virenque included,
start out protesting their innocence. Some give up this claim
eventually, eg Virenque, Millar, others continue to claim innocence eg
Pantani.

Just because TH says he really really is innocent, this does not mean
much. Of course he'll say he's innocent until the case is heard and he
still has a chance of getting off on a technicality. Sorry the example
was too complex for you.

Certainly but since there's never been the slightest evidence that
Tyler was using performance enhancing drugs or "procedures" before we
ought to let this one play out.

Dr. Prentiss Steffen.

Oh, yeah, the guy that doesn't name names nor repeat exactly what
happened but expects everyone to believe that he's telling nothing but
the truth.

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> Tom Kunich Wrote:
> > Maybe you missed the fact that EVERYONE else on his team admitted to
> > doping and Richard's name was in Voet's book with times and dosages.
>
> Maybe you missed the fact that I used Virenque as an example.
> The vast majority of those who get caught doping, Virenque included,
> start out protesting their innocence. Some give up this claim
> eventually, eg Virenque, Millar, others continue to claim innocence eg
> Pantani.
>
> Just because TH says he really really is innocent, this does not mean
> much. Of course he'll say he's innocent until the case is heard and he
> still has a chance of getting off on a technicality. Sorry the example
> was too complex for you.

Certainly but since we
ought to let this one play out.

Dr. Prentiss Steffen.

Oh, yeah, the guy that doesn't name names nor repeat exactly what
happened but expects everyone to believe that he's telling nothing but
the truth.

You said, "...there's never been the slightest evidence that
Tyler was using performance enhancing drugs or "procedures" before......"

And I pointed out that your statement is incorrect given what Steffen is
quoted as saying in L.A. Confidential and in an interview broadcast by ESPN.

B. Lafferty said:

And I pointed out that your statement is incorrect given what Steffen is
quoted as saying in L.A. Confidential and in an interview broadcast by ESPN.

I may have missed it but is there any idea if LA Con. is coming out in
English, or is it on the 'Net somewhere to your knowledge, even in French?

-B

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B. Lafferty said:

And I pointed out that your statement is incorrect given what Steffen is
quoted as saying in L.A. Confidential and in an interview broadcast by
ESPN.

I may have missed it but is there any idea if LA Con. is coming out in
English, or is it on the 'Net somewhere to your knowledge, even in French?

You haven't missed it. No word yet on when, or if, it will come out in
English. Where are you? I might loan you the French copy that I have.

Everyone should go to Lance's website (http://www.lancearmstrong.com)
to see the statement defending his obviously clean friend. Lance is
very sensitive to people making false dope allegations.

Oh, sorry, I forgot: Lance has made no such statement.

Thanks "pal"

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"One thing I can guarantee is I've never cheated. I grew up with a
family who taught me core values and about being honest ... To call me
positive was like a kick in the head. I can guarantee that I will clear
my name, I said it already; that I'll spend every dime I have to clear
my name. We have a lot of options, I could stop the sport and live a
pretty comfortable lifestyle. I've had a pretty successful career, but
I'd rather be completely broke and have a clear name and be known as an
honest person than to have this accusation above my head. It's really
crazy, I can't really talk a whole lot about it because they're
scheduling a hearing in January.

"It's been probably the lowest point of my life. The worst thing you can
call me is dishonest, call me a cheater. It's awful, it's a bad thing,
I've gotten slammed in the press and I haven't been able to defend
myself because lawyers in Europe and the lawyers back here in the States
all say it's best not to talk a whole lot about it ... We have a very
strong case and we're confident, my wife's confident, my lawyers are
confident. We'll have to really wait until then (January) and then I can
tell you the story, it's an incredible story and the world will see that
I'm innocent, I can guarantee that."

- Tyler Hamilton speaking at a fund-raiser for the Tyler Hamilton
Foundation at Clif Bar headquarters in Berkeley, California.

Eff you doubters,

Magilla

B. Lafferty said:

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B. Lafferty said:

And I pointed out that your statement is incorrect given what Steffen is
quoted as saying in L.A. Confidential and in an interview broadcast by
ESPN.

I may have missed it but is there any idea if LA Con. is coming out in
English, or is it on the 'Net somewhere to your knowledge, even in French?

You haven't missed it. No word yet on when, or if, it will come out in
English. Where are you? I might loan you the French copy that I have.

Gee, that's nice of you to even offer, but, heck, I'm in Central Virginia
and I wouldn't want you to risk the hard copy in the mail or anything.

Thanks, though.

-Badger

B. Lafferty said:

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B. Lafferty said:

And I pointed out that your statement is incorrect given what Steffen is
quoted as saying in L.A. Confidential and in an interview broadcast by
ESPN.

I may have missed it but is there any idea if LA Con. is coming out in
English, or is it on the 'Net somewhere to your knowledge, even in French?

You haven't missed it. No word yet on when, or if, it will come out in
English. Where are you? I might loan you the French copy that I have.

Hey, looks like we won't have to wait too long. From Velonews:
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/7144.0.html
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Where's the English version of ‘LA Confidential?'
Editor:
Jeez, when is this so-called book, "LA Confidential" by David Walsh and
Pierre Ballester, supposed to be out in the U.S.? Whether hearsay or
garbage or not, we fans want the gossip.

Denita Reed
Troy, Missouri

Denita, according to the authors, the English edition of "LA Confidential"
should be released some time in 2005. Walsh, the senior sports writer for
the Sunday Times of London, says the English edition will also include "a
great deal of new material." - Editor
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-B

Excellent!!!

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B. Lafferty said:

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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:14:23 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

>And I pointed out that your statement is incorrect given what Steffen is
>quoted as saying in L.A. Confidential and in an interview broadcast by
>ESPN.

I may have missed it but is there any idea if LA Con. is coming out in
English, or is it on the 'Net somewhere to your knowledge, even in
French?

You haven't missed it. No word yet on when, or if, it will come out in
English. Where are you? I might loan you the French copy that I have.

Hey, looks like we won't have to wait too long. From Velonews:
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/7144.0.html
----------snip-----------
Where's the English version of 'LA Confidential?'
Editor:
Jeez, when is this so-called book, "LA Confidential" by David Walsh and
Pierre Ballester, supposed to be out in the U.S.? Whether hearsay or
garbage or not, we fans want the gossip.

Denita Reed
Troy, Missouri

Denita, according to the authors, the English edition of "LA Confidential"
should be released some time in 2005. Walsh, the senior sports writer for
the Sunday Times of London, says the English edition will also include "a
great deal of new material." - Editor
----------snip-----------
-B