Tyre liners

In article <[email hidden]>, Michael Green

Quoted message said:

Another sodding puncture (Shwalbe Blizzard with puncture protection system 800m after fitting)
I want to try tyre liners but the local shops don't stock them. Where to buy mail order
please. Thanks.

What size of rim?

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Michael Green said:

Another sodding puncture (Shwalbe Blizzard with puncture protection system 800m after fitting)
I want to try tyre liners but the local shops don't stock them. Where to buy mail order
please. Thanks.

edinburgh-bicycle.co.ukedinburgh-bicycle.co.ukOpen ↗ and wiggle.co.ukwiggle.co.ukOpen ↗ (see puncture kit section)
- Panaracer Flataway - £10 for each tyre. Note. Kevlar is not puncture _proof_ and it must effect
rolling resistance to some extent (despite manufacturers claims to the contrary).

I know the Blizzard. It is more puncture resistant than a lightweight racing tyre, but if
puncture-prevention is a major priority, I think it's worth considering thicker "touring"-type tyres
instead of the Blizzards + liners combination.

~PB

Pete Biggs said:

Michael Green said:

Another sodding puncture (Shwalbe Blizzard with puncture protection system 800m after fitting) I
want to try tyre liners...

I know the Blizzard. It is more puncture resistant than a lightweight racing tyre, but if
puncture-prevention is a major priority, I think it's worth considering thicker "touring"-type
tyres instead of the Blizzards + liners combination.

~PB

I've found Schwalbe Blizzard Sports to be totally fine for miles and miles. They are the red ones,
never tried the blue ones.

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(Michael Green) said:

Another sodding puncture (Shwalbe Blizzard with puncture protection system 800m after fitting)
I want to try tyre liners but the local shops don't stock them. Where to buy mail order
please. Thanks.

I use this type of thing in my 'town bike'

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You should be able to pick up something similar locally.

Kind of crude, but I think they're brilliant.

bob

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In article <[email hidden]>, Michael Green

Quoted message said:

Another sodding puncture (Shwalbe Blizzard with puncture protection system 800m after fitting) I
want to try tyre liners but the local shops don't stock them. Where to buy mail order please.
Thanks.

What size of rim?

Tyre is 700c x 23

why should tyre liners affect rolling resistance ( increase)? if anything they should make a firmer
rider and lower rolling resistance. I use some bought from Halfords and work well.

Quoted message said:

- Panaracer Flataway - £10 for each tyre. Note. Kevlar is not puncture _proof_ and it must effect
rolling resistance to some extent (despite manufacturers claims to the contrary).

Quoted message said:

why should tyre liners affect rolling resistance ( increase)? if anything they should make a
firmer rider and lower rolling resistance.

It's something to do with the tyre as a whole being less supple and less able to roll over
irregularities on the road. See Jobst Brandt's postings on the subject via groups.google.comgroups.google.comOpen ↗

Increasing the pressure does reduce rolling resistance but that's not the same as simply having
_harder_ tyres. Solid (non pnuematic) tyres have higher RR.

~PB

Michael Green said:

Another sodding puncture (Shwalbe Blizzard with puncture protection system 800m after fitting)
I want to try tyre liners but the local shops don't stock them. Where to buy mail order
please. Thanks.

puntures are a fact of life. I noticed another after arriving home today. this is the second after
about 600miles. I changed to a Continental Ultra Gator duraskin and although better than a
Gommitalia they're not punture proof, nothing is. I'm considering sticking a spliced inner-tube
inside the tyre. btw, i watched some "old-hands" changing tubes today and last week, it took a
couple of minutes and we were on our way again, puntures are a pain but here to stay.

davep

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Quoted message said:

Michael Green said:

Another sodding puncture (Shwalbe Blizzard with puncture protection system 800m after fitting) I
want to try tyre liners but the local shops don't stock them. Where to buy mail order please.
Thanks.

edinburgh-bicycle.co.ukedinburgh-bicycle.co.ukOpen ↗ and wiggle.co.ukwiggle.co.ukOpen ↗ (see puncture kit section)
- Panaracer Flataway - £10 for each tyre. Note. Kevlar is not puncture _proof_ and it must effect
rolling resistance to some extent (despite manufacturers claims to the contrary).

I know the Blizzard. It is more puncture resistant than a lightweight racing tyre, but if
puncture-prevention is a major priority, I think it's worth considering thicker "touring"-type
tyres instead of the Blizzards + liners combination.

~PB

Example of touring type tyres please! (And by the way that's 800 metres not 800 miles, last week I
had three flats in three days, and yes I am pumping my tyres up properly, using a pressure gauge)

Michael Green said:

Example of touring type tyres please! (And by the way that's 800 metres not 800 miles, last week I
had three flats in three days, and yes I am pumping my tyres up properly, using a pressure gauge)

Conti Top Touring are top tyres, and I like Hutchinson Globetrotters (also Hutchinson Excel for
lighter use).

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(Michael Green) said:

Example of touring type tyres please!

Schwable marathon+, conti top touring 2000...

Michael Green said:

Example of touring type tyres please! (And by the way that's 800 metres not 800 miles, last week I
had three flats in three days, and yes I am pumping my tyres up properly, using a pressure gauge)

For the Windcheetah I use Vredestein S-Licks (406 front 559 rear). 2000+ miles in 18 months urban
commuting and riding in and around Manchester...and no punctures... Yet!

L

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Paul Rudin said:

(Michael Green) said:

Example of touring type tyres please!

Schwable marathon+, conti top touring 2000...

The Marathon plus is worth a look - the "tread" is very thick almost like a solid

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Another sodding puncture (Shwalbe Blizzard with puncture protection system 800m after fitting) I
want to try tyre liners but the local

puntures are a fact of life. I noticed another after arriving home

Yes they are .But slime in the tube means I never notice them.Methods such as tyre liners and good
tyres(desirable for other reasons) only reduce the number of punctures.

At the weekend I went out without slime and got the dreaded double dose.I fixed one and cycled off
only for the tyre to go down immediately with a second thorn I had missed.

When I got home I got a 26" slime filled tube off an old bike and wrestled it onto the 700c wheel.No
further problem will be expected.Why , then , do I still carry a pump and puncture kit?
Superstition. TerryJ

redshift said:

For the Windcheetah I use Vredestein S-Licks (406 front 559 rear). 2000+ miles in 18 months urban
commuting and riding in and around Manchester...and no punctures... Yet!

I use them on the Stinger - I've had two or three visits from the p*nct*r* fairy in the last
1,000 miles.

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I've said before and I'll say it again. If you don't want punctures, get some Specialized
Armadillos. I have had them on my comuting bike for 4 years, and have had no punctures in 4 years of
ridding about 300 miles per year in London (glass, nails, etc). They are not cheap, not light and
are not the most grippy of tyres, but they are nearly indestructable. You will benifit from a track
pump, as they like about 120psi.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Another sodding puncture (Shwalbe Blizzard with puncture protection system 800m after fitting)
I want to try tyre liners but the local

puntures are a fact of life. I noticed another after arriving home

Yes they are .But slime in the tube means I never notice them.Methods such as tyre liners and good
tyres(desirable for other reasons) only reduce the number of punctures.

At the weekend I went out without slime and got the dreaded double dose.I fixed one and cycled off
only for the tyre to go down immediately with a second thorn I had missed.

When I got home I got a 26" slime filled tube off an old bike and wrestled it onto the 700c
wheel.No further problem will be expected.Why , then , do I still carry a pump and puncture kit?
Superstition. TerryJ

(Bert Smith) said:

I have had them on my comuting bike for 4 years, and have had no punctures in 4 years of ridding
about 300 miles per year in London

You do mean 3,000, right?

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Michael Green said:

Example of touring type tyres please! (And by the way that's 800 metres not 800 miles, last week I
had three flats in three days, and yes I am pumping my tyres up properly, using a pressure gauge)

Not a touring tyre per se (but largely owing to the lack of useless cosmetic tread), but I get few
punctures in Continental Grand Prix and GP3000 tyres.

Are you sure that your rim tape is correctly installed?
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Not a touring tyre per se (but largely owing to the lack of useless cosmetic tread), but I get few
punctures in Continental Grand Prix and GP3000 tyres.

I agree that "tread" is useless when it comes to gripping on road, but tyres that have plenty of it
tend to have good puncture resistance by default - because they have a few extra mm of rubber,
through which short shards of glass won't pass.

~PB