UCI rules

Clive George said:

At what level do these apply?

Wherever the official in charge says "UCI rules apply". You can have
national cycle federations affiliated to UCI running races where they
don't apply (USCF allows 'bents in time trials, for example), or there's
nothing to stop local event organisers adopting them for their race.
It's up to the people running the races what rules they want to use.

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Quoted message said:

At what level do these apply?

(there's nothing behind this question bar interest!)

cheers,
clive

Well, certainly the anti-doping rules apply to CTT events at even a local
level. At the back end of last year we had a circular come round on our club
email list about the anti-doping requirements that if you take a banned
substance for a genuine medical reason, you have to have it registered at
British Cycling and send in a copy of notification from your doc it is for a
genuine medical reason.

Indeed, having been prescribed a salbutamol inhaler for my current asthmatic
misery, my doc did such a letter for me and I duly sent it off to BCF. I am now
in receipt of a nice letter from BCF, saying I am covered to use salbutamol, at
normal dosage, for my asthma and can enter events. Not that I am likely to be a
contender for the Olympic squad or a threat to Nicole Cooke or Victoria
Pendleton, but can you imagine the embarrassment to my teenage cycling son if I
entered a local open event and it was the one the testers turned up at and his
Mum tested positive.... I think I'll spare him that :-) Plus, I think I'm
setting him the right example about sticking to the rules.

Cheers, helen s

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Clive George <[email hidden]> wrote:
: At what level do these apply?

To UCI events only. There's only two or three of those in the UK
(Lincoln GP is one).

However, most national federations keep their rules in line with
the UCI's so all BCF events (run under BCF regs, not UCI) are in
practice pretty much under UCI rules.

CTT (for timetrials) not do apply UCI rules (e.g. they are much
laxer in the type of bike you can ride).

See next post for drugs though

Arthur

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Well, certainly the anti-doping rules apply to CTT events at even a local
: level.

No. CTT events are run under CTT rules not UCI rules.

: At the back end of last year we had a circular come round on our club
: email list about the anti-doping requirements that if you take a banned
: substance for a genuine medical reason, you have to have it registered at
: British Cycling and send in a copy of notification from your doc it is for a
: genuine medical reason.

That's becuase BC run the drugs bit for CTT.

In practice of course, the BCF and CTT pretty much just take the UCI
presribed drugs list (I suspect it might be a condition for the BCF of
being recognised by the UCI. This doesn't apply to CTT).

: Indeed, having been prescribed a salbutamol inhaler for my current asthmatic
: misery

When I checked this, the word was that inhaled standard asthma meds did
not need to be notified, only injected or unusual ones. Of course, it
dooesn't hurt to tell people and that way you are safe.

Arthur

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Quoted message said:

Clive George said:

At what level do these apply?

Wherever the official in charge says "UCI rules apply". You can have
national cycle federations affiliated to UCI running races where they
don't apply (USCF allows 'bents in time trials, for example), or there's
nothing to stop local event organisers adopting them for their race.
It's up to the people running the races what rules they want to use.

I'd worked that bit out myself! Ok, I'll rephrase : at what level do the
rules typically apply?

cheers,
clive

Quoted message said:

: Well, certainly the anti-doping rules apply to CTT events at even a local
: level.

No. CTT events are run under CTT rules not UCI rules.

I didn't say CTT didn't have its own rules and didn't say it doesn't run events
under its own rules. I simply stated the situation as to the anti-doping. As
per the CTT web site... which clearly mentions UCI anti-doping regs...

"VERY IMPORTANT - NEW REQUIREMENT EFFECTIVE FROM 1 JANUARY 2004
All Riders using formoterol, salbutamol, salmeterol and terbutaline inhalers or
insulin for the treatment of a medical condition are required to register an
appropriate medical certificate with the General Secretary of the British
Cycling Federation. They are also advised to obtain a number of copies so that
one is available and can be given to the Anti-Doping Inspector to attach one to
the sampling forms. The best option is to carry a copy of the certificate with
you to events. Failure to register shall not constitute grounds for any appeal
against a charge in respect of a breach of the UCI or Cycling Time Trials
Anti-Doping Regulations.

WARNING - Many of these drugs appear either alone or as mixtures in medication
under a commercial title. It is thus essential that, should there be any doubt,
expert advice should be sought by the competitor from a doctor, pharmacist or
the General Secretary of British Cycling Federation BEFORE taking any
medication. The lack of the knowledge that a particular substance is banned
shall not constitute grounds for any appeal against a charge in respect of a
breach of the UCI or Cycling Time Trials Anti-Doping Regulations.

IF IN DOUBT - CHECK IT OUT WITH THE BCF
NOTE - The Cycling Time Trials Anti-Doping Regulations are subject to periodic
review and change due to factors which are outside the control of the Company
(e.g. changes introduced or advised by the Union Cycliste Internationale, the
International Olympic Committee, UK Sport or the World Anti-Doping Agency). In
view of this anyone requiring up to date information on any changes which may
have taken place since the publication of the current Regulations can obtain
this from:-

Jim Hendry, General Secretary, British Cycling Federation
St. Kilda” 62 St.Saviour’s Road, Kettering, Northants. NN15 5EJ
Tel: 01536 483695 Fax: 01536 483695
E-mail [email hidden]

List Of Banned Substances & Methods

As amended 1 January 2004

Compiled by the U.C.I. Anti-Doping Commission, in liaison with the U.C.I.
Medical Commission pursuant to Articles 1 - 13 of the U.C.I. Anti-Doping
Examination Regulations and approved by the U.C.I. Applicable to all events
under the Rules & Regulations of Cycling Time Trials from 1 January 2004.

This list is based on that of the International Olympic Committee but is not
exactly the same. Items in respect of controls outside of competition are as
agreed between UK Sport and the British Cycling Federation."

I prefer to be safe rather than sorry.

Cheers, helen s

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Arthur Clune said:

In practice of course, the BCF and CTT pretty much just take the UCI
presribed drugs list

ITYM proscribed, not prescribed...

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Quoted message said:

Clive George said:

At what level do these apply?

Wherever the official in charge says "UCI rules apply". You can have
national cycle federations affiliated to UCI running races where they
don't apply (USCF allows 'bents in time trials, for example), or there's
nothing to stop local event organisers adopting them for their race.
It's up to the people running the races what rules they want to use.

I'd worked that bit out myself!

Heh. You have to phrase your questions *very* precisely in this 'ere newsfroup
to prevent having the Obvious Bag emptied over your feet.

And you've been here long enough that you should know that :-)

Quoted message said:

Ok, I'll rephrase : at what level do the
rules typically apply?

If you had asked to whom they apply on average, you would have had the reply
that they apply to average people. So they apply at typical UCI-sanctioned
races :-)
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Arthur Clune said:

In practice of course, the BCF and CTT pretty much just take the UCI
presribed drugs list

ITYM proscribed, not prescribed...

Damn, I was trying to fill the prescription....
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers <[email hidden]> wrote:

: "VERY IMPORTANT - NEW REQUIREMENT EFFECTIVE FROM 1 JANUARY 2004

Sigh. THat's new. I checked with the BCF (as it was then), so wonder
if they have gone down the same route.

Arthur

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>: Well, certainly the anti-doping rules apply to CTT events at even a local
:>: level.

: I didn't say CTT didn't have its own rules and didn't say it doesn't run events
: under its own rules. I simply stated the situation as to the anti-doping. As
: per the CTT web site... which clearly mentions UCI anti-doping regs...

Apologies. I should have read your post closer. I guess the point I should
have made is that CTT isn't bound by the UCI rules per se - it chooses
what it wants to enforce and what it doesn't. So it takes the drug list
but not the bit about tricycles for example

The answer to the original question was right though - UCI rules only apply
to UCI events and there's not a lot of them.

Even BC don't apply UCI rules wholesale. When the UCI changed the rules on
bike shape to outlaw funny shaped tubes a few yeras ago, BC allowed the
bikes to be used for two seasons longer than the UCI to allow for the fact
that us weekend warriors have to pay for our own kit.

Arthur

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Clive George said:

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Quoted message said:

Clive George said:

At what level do these apply?

Wherever the official in charge says "UCI rules apply".

I'd worked that bit out myself! Ok, I'll rephrase : at what level do the
rules typically apply?

At most, but it does seem flexible.
A *lot* depends upon the event commissaire.

John B

Quoted message said:

Sigh. THat's new. I checked with the BCF (as it was then), so wonder
if they have gone down the same route.

They have - it's on their web site too, page 5 of the anti-doping regs.

"VERY IMPORTANT - NEW REQUIREMENT EFFECTIVE FROM 1 JANUARY 2004

All British licence holders using formoterol, salbutamol, salmeterol and
terbutaline inhalers or insulin for the treatment of a medical condition are
required to register an appropriate medical certificate with the Federation’s
General Secretary. They are also advised to obtain a number of copies so that
one is available and can be given to the Anti-Doping Inspector to attach one to
the sampling forms. The best option is to carry a copy of the certificate with
the racing licence. Failure to register shall not constitute grounds for any
appeal against a charge in respect of a breach of the UCI or BCF Anti-Doping
Regulations"

Cheers, helen s

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Arthur Clune said:

Clive George <[email hidden]> wrote:
: At what level do these apply?

To UCI events only. There's only two or three of those in the UK
(Lincoln GP is one).

A few more than that (for a start the National Trophy cross series, and
a few other international level cross events I think - inter alia it
means that you can't ride mountain bikes in them, unlike events on the
domestic calendar, and it puts stricter limits on course design).

Roger