Ulrich flicks Evans

Hyllus said:

Instead of a legit multi-pronged attack to shake things up, we'll be
left with Ulrich following Armstrong around all summer and nabbing
second while an aging Zabel finished 2nd or 3rd in the points
competition. What a waste of the worlds biggest budget.

multi-prong, schmulti-schmong. If Vino was riding, he'd be riding hard
tempo. Evans too. Ullrich's style doesn't stand to benefit from
attacks going left and right, because at some point, he's going to have
to accelerate to follow the chase.

Zabel needs to step aside. It does baffle me that Evans isn't going to
be there.

Gym Gravity said:

It does baffle me that Evans isn't going to be there.

This is a curious development. He is obviously in shape, so one can only
speculate that there must be some mental aspect of his role as a team
player they question.😎

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gym gravity said:

Zabel needs to step aside.

He's #1 UCI as of 14 June.

Dan

Dan Connelly said:

He's #1 UCI as of 14 June.

I still wonder how.

What good is he to Ullrich?

gym gravity <[email hidden]> wrote in news:2jttu0F153sb4U2@uni-
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Quoted message said:

Dan Connelly said:

He's #1 UCI as of 14 June.

I still wonder how.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I'll guess its due to HIS RESULTS!!!

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Quoted message said:

Dan Connelly said:

He's #1 UCI as of 14 June.

I still wonder how.

What good is he to Ullrich?

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Quoted message said:

Dan Connelly said:

He's #1 UCI as of 14 June.

I still wonder how.

What good is he to Ullrich?

Knucklehead
Pull your head out of your ass
Dave

Dave H said:

Knucklehead
Pull your head out of your ass
Dave

My head isn't up my ass. [censored] the sprints. [censored] the green jersey. If
it's Telekom's decision to bring Zabel over any other guy that is a
better tt/climber, they are showing their lack of confidence in
Ullrich's ability to get the win. Ullrich is being left high and dry.

gym gravity said:

Dan Connelly said:

He's #1 UCI as of 14 June.

I still wonder how.

He's the best in the world at finishing second.

Quoted message said:

What good is he to Ullrich?

What good is he to the team, is the correct question. He's in there
to battle for stage wins. He has a lot of fans. It's good to make
the fans happy.

Dan

gym gravity said:

Dave H said:

Knucklehead
Pull your head out of your ass
Dave

My head isn't up my ass. [censored] the sprints. [censored] the green jersey. If
it's Telekom's decision to bring Zabel over any other guy that is a
better tt/climber, they are showing their lack of confidence in
Ullrich's ability to get the win. Ullrich is being left high and dry.

Hardly. Everyone but Zabel is there for Ullrich. Zabel is arguably more
benefit than Evans in the TTT, which is also important.

Dan

gym gravity said:

Dave H said:

Knucklehead
Pull your head out of your ass
Dave

My head isn't up my ass. [censored] the sprints. [censored] the green jersey. If
it's Telekom's decision to bring Zabel over any other guy that is a
better tt/climber, they are showing their lack of confidence in
Ullrich's ability to get the win. Ullrich is being left high and dry.

Why should they have any confidence in him? 1997 was a looooonnngg time ago.
Ullrich will be ready to retire in a year or two. With Zabel at least they'll
come away with a near-guaranteed jersey and maybe a stage win or two. It's not
like he's getting great lead-out support either. This team is not built around
sprint stages like Cipo's Doma-whatever team.

Ullrich should cut his losses and just do the Giro (pretty well known to be a
'lazier' GT) and the Vuelta. I think from now on he'll come up against someone
just a touch better than him (Hamilton, Mayo), especially in the mountains.

Ullrich is the German "Poo-Poo".

Whatever.

Dan Connelly [/i]
Zabel is arguably more benefit than Evans in the TTT, which is also important. [/QUOTE]
How do you come up with that idea? Evans is a very solid time trialler.

QUOTEiOriginally posted by Ken Very Big Li said:

With Zabel at least they'll come away with a near-guaranteed jersey and
maybe a stage win or two.

Do you really think he'll be able to beat Petacchi, Cooke, McEwen,
Hushovd, Backstedt etc? He has not looked llike doing so recently.

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patch70 said:

Zabel is arguably more benefit than Evans in the TTT, which is also important.

aside-
if i post something thru my newsreader to rbr that has stuff like
LANCE IS HOT!!!

does it show up on cyclingforums as bold type? can i start peppering my
text with 🙄 and :nono: and have cute little emoticons appear?

planning ahead,
heather

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Quoted message said:

Dave H said:

Knucklehead
Pull your head out of your ass
Dave

My head isn't up my ass. [censored] the sprints. [censored] the green jersey. If
it's Telekom's decision to bring Zabel over any other guy that is a
better tt/climber, they are showing their lack of confidence in
Ullrich's ability to get the win. Ullrich is being left high and dry.

Err, wouldn't you think that leaving a German off of Germany's premier team
would be bad publicity? Zabel IS in running for the Green Jersey. I don't
know what world you live in if you think that Jan stands a tinker's chance
of beating Lance. They are equal riders save that Lance can out-accelerate
Ullrich on steep pitches and so all he needs to do is wait for mountain top
finished with a steep final section and just pull out 30 seconds here and
another 30 there on Jan. There's simply no getting around this.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My head isn't up my ass. [censored] the sprints. [censored] the green jersey. If
it's Telekom's decision to bring Zabel over any other guy that is a
better tt/climber, they are showing their lack of confidence in
Ullrich's ability to get the win. Ullrich is being left high and dry.

Err, wouldn't you think that leaving a German off of Germany's premier team
would be bad publicity? Zabel IS in running for the Green Jersey. I don't
know what world you live in if you think that Jan stands a tinker's chance
of beating Lance.

Right, I guess you missed last year's TDF?

Quoted message said:

They are equal riders save that Lance can out-accelerate
Ullrich on steep pitches and so all he needs to do is wait for mountain top
finished with a steep final section and just pull out 30 seconds here and
another 30 there on Jan. There's simply no getting around this.

You probably thought the same thing about Indurain in 1996, duh...

Tom Kunich said:

I don't know what world you live in if you think that Jan stands a
tinker's chance of beating Lance. They are equal riders save that Lance
can out-accelerate Ullrich on steep pitches and so all he needs to do is
wait for mountain top finished with a steep final section and just pull
out 30 seconds here and another 30 there on Jan. There's simply no
getting around this.

Except that Jan could well beat Lance again in the flat ITT and Lance
did not look particularly impressive in the Ventoux ITT. Jan is more of
a constant speed climber which is probably better for the Alpe d'Huez
ITT. Thus he only needs to stay with Lance in the other climbing stages
and he should be able to achieve this with his stronger team this year.
I wouldn't be over-confident about Lance winning this year, especially
with both Hamilton and Mayo in good form and ?Heras also.

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gym gravity said:

Dave H said:

Knucklehead
Pull your head out of your ass
Dave

My head isn't up my ass. [censored] the sprints. [censored] the green jersey. If
it's Telekom's decision to bring Zabel over any other guy that is a
better tt/climber, they are showing their lack of confidence in
Ullrich's ability to get the win. Ullrich is being left high and dry.

I think that if T-Mobile weren't that confident in JU, they'd leave off
Zabel and include another guy to work for Jan. With Vino out, they really
don't have a fall-back guy they can be completely confident will be in the
running. Evans certainly doesn't qualify as that just yet. They did include
Rolf Aldag on the team, tasked with lead-out for Zabel (of course, he can
and will work for Jan, too).

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tanx,
Howard

"The fickleness of fame and fortune's caprice
Together changed the life of Mason Reese"
Alice Donut

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Dan Connelly said:

gym gravity wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Zabel needs to step aside.

He's #1 UCI as of 14 June.

Zabel is the most complete sprinter out there, and his results in the
last calendar year are certainly not those of a man whose career is ending.

-Sonarrat.

Dan Connelly said:

gym gravity said:

Dan Connelly wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He's #1 UCI as of 14 June.

I still wonder how.

He's the best in the world at finishing second.

No, that's Ullrich. Zabel has won more races than Der Kaiser has ever
started.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What good is he to Ullrich?

What good is he to the team, is the correct question. He's in there
to battle for stage wins. He has a lot of fans. It's good to make
the fans happy.

When you have a man who took green five years in a row, who races
tirelessly from February to November, who can get over mountains that
leave most sprinters dead on the side of the road, who has more sparkle
and charisma than the rest of the Fatherland combined, what a disservice
it would be to leave him out!!

-Sonarrat.