rec.sport.unicycling · Public discussion

Upgrading Coker Wheelset

Started by Email address hidden · · Last activity · 32 posts · 838 views

Thread navigation

Jump through the discussion

Go to the original post, the replies on this page, or the latest preserved contribution.

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
rec.sport.unicycling
Published
7 January 2005
Last activity
22 January 2005
Original author
Email address hidden
Posts
32
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
838
Views / 30 days
0

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 21–32 of 32
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. GizmoDuck said:

    *John! I'm really surprised! Too many issues? You have to be one of
    the most obsessive technical gurus on RSU.
    It's one of the most straightforward upgrades I can think of. Just
    email Stan, order a rim strip and kit. Take your tyre and tube off,
    put the rim strip on, stick the tyre on, add some gloop, and away you
    go! *

    I just highly value reliability and repairability during a ride. If I
    get a flat or have some other problem during a ride I want to be able to
    easily fix it. I want to keep things simple and easy. It's the same
    reason that I use a heavy Intense DH tube in my muni. It's the heaviest
    DH tube. It's very reliable and very resistant to pinch flats. But it
    also weighs a lot and a lighter tube would offer better performance.
    The heavy thick tube doesn't give the tire as much bounce or cushiness
    as a lighter tube, but it's more reliable. Reliability is more
    important than performance for me.

    If I got a flat with the tubeless Coker I don't think it would be easy
    to repair. The rim strip will make it difficult to get the tire off to
    put a tube in for an emergency repair.

    I think the 29er tube thing will be reliable enough. But I still have
    my doubts so I haven't done it yet.

    --
    john_childs - Guinness Mojo

    john_childs (at) hotmail (dot) com
    Gallery: '' (http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/john_childs)
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    john_childs's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/449
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/37383

  2. GizmoDuck said:

    *Ok, I agree that having a wider Q factor is not a big issue. But
    then the slightly weaker wheel from the narrow hub is not a big issue
    for me either, because I don't weigh that much and I don't do 7ft
    drops on a Coker like some people on this forum 🙄 *

    You also don't run a brake. The wide hub makes a big difference with a
    brake. With a wide hub the brake pads don't rub the rim. With a
    narrower hub the brake pads will rub the rim.

    --
    john_childs - Guinness Mojo

    john_childs (at) hotmail (dot) com
    Gallery: '' (http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/john_childs)
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    john_childs's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/449
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/37383

  3. john_childs said:

    *
    If I got a flat with the tubeless Coker I don't think it would be easy
    to repair. The rim strip will make it difficult to get the tire off
    to put a tube in for an emergency repair.

    I think the 29er tube thing will be reliable enough. But I still have
    my doubts so I haven't done it yet. *

    OK- I admit I've never flatted the tubeless Coker so I can only guess
    what it will be like to repair out on the road.

    I've bottomed out the Tubeless if I'm not careful, now that I run lower
    pressures. But there is absolutely no chance of pinchflatting :p . As
    for small punctures- I think it is far more resistant because the Stans
    gloop will seal them up. Big punctures I think can be repaired in much
    the same way with patch over the tyre instead of on the inner tube.
    Getting it off- I don't necessarily think it will be harder- after all
    there is less friction from the inner tube, and also you can work your
    tyre levers as hard as you like without fear of pinching your inner
    tube. I don't understand why Dirtsurfer had so much trouble with his
    rim strip. The thing is just like a tubeless car tyre once converted-
    so I'm sure you if you had difficulty you could always roll into your
    LCS or call the AA.

    I would be more afraid of punctures and fixing the tyre if I was running
    a 29'er inner tube.

    Point taken about the brakes, but my wheel feels pretty stiff. I need
    to stick it in a braked frame to check if it rubs though.

    --
    GizmoDuck - NZUNI

    o-kO
    'www.adventureunicyclist.com' (http://www.adventureunicyclist.com/)

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    GizmoDuck's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/794
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/37383

  4. [quote="GizmoDuck"][B]IGetting it off- I don't necessarily think it will be harder- after
    all there is less friction from the inner tube, and also you can work
    your tyre levers as hard as you like without fear of pinching your
    inner tube. B][/quote]
    When its time for it to come off wouldnt it be easy to just cut it off?
    You wouldnt need to use it again anyway right? Tube less seems to be a
    good way to go in my opinion. I might do that some day after I get my
    air foil rim.

    Oh I called Uni.com they said they would know in two weeks when they
    would have them in. So I dont know if they would have them sooner or
    not. The person I talked to wasnt to sure but he made it sound the
    soonest would be in two weeks.


    --
    Tim - Jelly Bean Eater

    Tim 'Braun' (http://www.tim.com.mk/izdanija/1/189.jpg)|| ||Do you read
    my posts in RSU?

    Jagur's my main man.

    I can not stand ChangingLINKS.com
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Tim's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/4671
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/37383

  5. john_childs said:

    *I'm not going to try the tubeless tire thing on the Coker. Too much
    trouble. More problems and issues than is worth it for me. I am,
    however, considering the switch to a 29er tube. You get the weight
    loss but without the fussy tubeless issues.
    *


    I would think that undersizing a tube would make it more prone to
    flatting. Worst case scenario, with a tube, you still will have to
    remove one side of the tire to fix. Tubeless, anything catastrophic the
    sealant couldn't fix, you would still have to walk out and replace the
    tire. I don't have any tubeless flat experience (26 or 36) as of yet so
    this is all hypothetical. But its not a problem with a 5 MM Allen and

    Intense tire levers.GizmoDuck said:

    *I don't understand why Dirtsurfer had so much trouble with his rim
    strip.
    *


    I started with a new tire, it was flat. Both beads were touching and
    if you spread them out, they would return. When installed on the rim
    (tubeless), the rim strip would ride into the center (which is lower
    then the area where the bead sits when inflated). This lower area helps
    when installing a tire, you dont have to stretch the tires bead as much.
    It also creates a gap between the rim and the bead that allows the air
    to pass. I had to close that gap with foam tape so the rim strip would
    touch the bead before inflation. You cant move the beads by hand with
    the tire installed on the rim and both beads in the center (usually the
    tube does this). Removing the lower center area on the rim by
    installing foam tape makes it more difficult mounting a tire. I
    recieved a new tire from Uni.com, it also is flat. I'm going to try
    putting the tube in it off the rim for a couple of weeks before
    installing it to force the beads to spread. If it works, I will be able
    to get rid of the foam tape. The more difficult something is, the more
    accomplishment you feel.

    --
    Dirtsurfer - One wheeled

    "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."
    Gandalf the gray
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Dirtsurfer's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/2352
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/37383

  6. I am also upgrading my coker wheel, I have had great luck with my stock
    wheel I have done many 12" curb drops and bumped up 6-8" curbs and have
    never had my wheel get out of true. I am
    mainly doing it to add brakes and to build a lighter more custom ride. I
    have ordered spokes from Tom Miller and it looks like the cost will be a
    dollar per spoke plus about two hours of his time at $22 per hour plus
    shipping so somewhere between $2 and $2.25 per spoke and I ordered 40
    spokes. and I ordered spoke nipples from Sem and they are $0.25 each
    plus shipping so for forty will be $10, so $100 for spokes and nipples.
    And I am going with three cross on the spokes to make it a little bit
    lighter. I have ordered the UDC extra wide hub and airfoil rim and I was
    told the rim should be in stock between two to four weeks but they were
    having trouble with the supplier and they were expecting them in
    december and didn't get them.
    I am building a frame myself and plan to use a V-brake rather than
    maguras I think they work well and are less of a hassle and I think that
    the wheel rubbing will be less of an issue than with the maguras as they
    can be farther from the rim and they can move if the rim hits the pads.
    I have a magura hs 33 on my muni and it's a great brake I just like the
    simplicity of the V-brake, and they are much cheaper, although cost
    realy isn't the main issue.
    I also want to put a computer on it and I am wondering what is the
    prefered computer setup and how do you set it up on a 36" wheel, can any
    computer be used? Anyway I am looking forward to having a unicycle
    project it has been a while since I have put together a new uni. 😄

    --
    Tellurider - Dan Wilson

    There's a fine line between "Hobby" and "Mental Illness".
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Tellurider's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/4972
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/37383

  7. Tellurider said:

    *I am wondering what is the prefered computer setup and how do you set
    it up on a 36" wheel, can any computer be used?*

    Hi Dan. A couple thoughts on the computer element. First, although I'm
    not sure you asked, you should familiarize yourself with 'this thread'
    (http://tinyurl.com/5m4y9) regarding rollout of your Coker wheel.
    Regardless of the computer you choose, this is great info.

    As for choice, I think the only limit on brand you need to worry about
    is relative to how big a rollout it will let you program in. Go to the
    site above and figure out the approximate number you'd need, then have
    this in hand when you shop to ensure you get one that can program in a
    36" wheel size.

    I only have experience with two: the Cateye Enduro, and the basic
    Schwinn. At 1/3 of the cost, I prefer the Schwinn. Regardless of
    brand, the basic principles seem pretty consistent with the
    spoke-mounted magnet, frame mounted sensor, and computer unit linked by
    either cable or wireless. The main differences are on capabilities and
    "programming" from the computer. What I don't like about the Cateye is
    that it makes its speed determination based on only a single rotation of
    the tire. As a result, if you fall while mounting, or really do
    anything (like an idle) that causes the magnet to go back and forth
    across the sensor quickly, the computer records and unnaturally high
    "Top Speed" for your ride. I've had many where I've come back from a 10
    miler eager to see what my top speed was, only to find it at 30 mph or
    higher. The Schwinn uses an "averaging" computation, and determines
    speed based on a set of three rotations of the wheel. The extra data
    point helps to reduce the number of false readings due to futzing around
    while mounting.

    That said, the one advantage to me of the Cateye is that the magnet
    mounting hardware is a better design than the Schwinn. It's much more
    flexible for fitting over extra thick spokes, whereas with the Schwinn
    you will sometimes need to rig up an alternative attachment system if
    the spoke is thicker than what the mounting bolt will accomodate. For
    me, that alternative was superglue and a metal washer, but I'm sure
    there are more elegant ways.

    So on to setup. One tip is to make sure your magnet is mounted on a
    spoke that is aligned with one of your pedals. This serves two
    purposes: first, when you stop to do a leaning rest, your pedals are at
    3 and 9 positions, which ensures the magnet is 90 degrees removed from
    the sensor, reducing those false readings discussed above. Second, when
    you're climbing or descending, the point of least wheel flex is straight
    out from your pedals. I originally mounted my magnet in between the two
    pedals, and it would always be hitting the sensor when I was on climbs
    or descents. Changing the mounting position fixed this immediately.
    This was on a standard Coker wheel, so on your beefy buildup flex might
    not be as big an issue.

    General setup in mounting is pretty straightforward. The only trick is
    getting the sensor close enough to the magnet when it passes to ensure
    it "reads". Most computers will come with little flat pieces of rubber
    that you can place under the sensor when mounting it to bring it further
    out from the frame, closer to the spokes. Pictures #9 and #16 in my
    coker gallery give you a bit of a view on how it can be set up.
    'Gallery' (http://gallery.unicyclist.com/GB4-36-custom)

    Hope this helps. There have been some good discussions on "which brand
    of computer do I buy" in past threads, so it might be worth a search on
    that.

    Tom

    --
    tomblackwood - Registered Nurtz

    Tailgate at your own risk.....

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    tomblackwood's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/3762
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/37383

  8. Thanks for the information Tom, and Bill. Thats a nice looking coker, I
    have admired your coker before. I like the handle set, It seems to me
    the closer to the seat the better. I might have to get one of those, I
    was thinking of building something but that one looks just right and I
    allready have a carbon fiber seat plate and a kinport rail adaptor.

    Dan

    --
    Tellurider - Dan Wilson

    There's a fine line between "Hobby" and "Mental Illness".
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Tellurider's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/4972
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/37383

  9. Tellurider said:

    *I like the handle set, It seems to me the closer to the seat the
    better. I might have to get one of those.*

    I've been very happy with it. The two-pronged main handle works well for
    either weight displacement or for cranking on during climbs or descents,
    and the "T-shaped" handle where the computer (and now a bell) is mounted
    works well as a light-duty grabbing place for spinning on the flats.

    It's a U-Turn / GB4 construction that enhances the basic GB4 handle that
    has been widely available. I'd PM U-Turn if you're interested.

    --
    tomblackwood - Registered Nurtz

    Tailgate at your own risk.....

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    tomblackwood's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/3762
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/37383

  10. I called up UDC this morning asking questions about the Airfoil
    wheelset. I was told that the wheelset uses the UDC Super Wide Hub. I
    also asked about spokes and was told that it was built with Marwi
    spokes.

    If this is correct, than price wise, it is on par with buying all of the
    components and assembling it yourself.

    The delay, as has already been posted is because the machine that makes
    the wheels is broken. Not sure when it would be fixed. It's probably not
    one of those tools that you can bring into Sears and get a free
    replacement.

    --
    One on one - Hooked on fun fix

    "I don't care who you are, that's funny!" Larry the Cable Guy
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    One on one's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/5740
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/37383

  11. I don't think UDC is giving you the straight scoop on the spokes.
    The Mawi spokes on the UDC website only go up to 28" wheel. I think
    they are using the regular coker spokes. I purchased one a couple of
    months ago and I think it has the stock coker spokes, but it does have
    the superwide hub which makes a huge difference.

    --
    oxfordrider
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    oxfordrider's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/5600
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/37383

  12. One on one said:

    *I called up UDC this morning asking questions about the Airfoil
    wheelset.*

    See you at NYMW2!

    --
    Brian MacKenzie - LAN Solo

    Forthcoming DVD
    TRAINING WHEEL NOT REQUIRED:
    '8mb Trailer' (http://www.brianmackenzie.com/TWNR_Trailer2.wmv)

    'Unicycle Product Reviews'
    (http://londonunicyclingclub.ca/unicycleReviews.aspx)
    *120* reviews on *77* products, never make an uninformed purchase again!

    TWNR World Premiere Party Feb 19 in Cleveland at
    'Ray's Indoor Mountainbike Park' (http://www.raysmtb.com)! Click 'here'
    (http://tinyurl.com/5qnwb) for more info
    YOU NEED TO BE ON THE LIST I SUBMIT ON JAN 30 IN ORDER TO COME, PLEASE.
    ANTENDEES WILL RECIEVE A FREE, LIMITED EDITION DVD OF THE WEEKEND!
    EMAIL ME AT BRIANANDLEEANNE (AT) SYMPATICO.CA

    Canadian Premiere is at UWO, London Ontario, Feb 27th. Group MUni rides
    planned!

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Brian MacKenzie's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/7650
    View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/37383

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.