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  1. We thank Kihura for sending this article, written by the PAC.
    (Kihura spoke at NVIC conference in 2002 - transript is here
    http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba.html
    Uganda vaccinating children to death for polio - NEVER was polio in Uganda)
    http://www.nvic.org
    tapes of talk available thru NVIC website
    IT WAS an INCREDIBLE presentation that I watched on CSPAN

    Kihura is founder of Greater African Radio and president of the East
    African World Broadcasters
    Association, and director of the Pan-African Center for Strategic and
    International Studies.

    ******

    Greetings,

    I bring you greeting from Uganda and Eastern Part of Afrika. Just a
    small article writtten by the PAC on the people's reaction to
    immunisation here.

    Please keep in touch.
    Kihura

    While the Uganda police is hunting for Kihura Nkuba to question him for
    his remarks against vaccination, the 15th of October was the day of
    reckoning for the Uganda Ministry of Health and their erstwhile partners
    the so-called big three the World Health Organization, UNICELF and the
    USAID. It was day when their massive immunization campaign was to be
    judged, when attendances expected to be over one hundred % were
    expected. The government had indeed done the unthinkable, it began by
    extending the immunizing age to a shocking fifteen years, then they
    decreed that all parents have to take their children for immunization
    regardless of their health status, they threatened those who would
    resist immunization with imprisonment, young and old male and female.
    The Minister without Portfolio and National Political Commissar Crispus
    Kiyonga, himself a medical doctor and former health minister, directed
    the police to arrest anybody thought to be sabotaging the exercise, the
    minister of health, army brigadier Jim Muhwezi, with no public health
    background, the minister of information Nsaba Buturo who has probably
    never even looked at a vaccine insert, all directed the police to arrest
    all the parents or even children that resisted vaccination. It was to be
    vaccination at gunpoint. The small beautiful country called Uganda,
    spend nine million of its meager resources marketing this European
    product (the money spent would have build 120,000 protected water
    springs giving 30% of the country access to clean water, it would have
    been build ten ultra modern research centers looking at for example
    pests that are threatening the banana crop, but government chose
    European impose priorities. According to government, measles was a
    threat to national interest, claiming more than 40,000 lives every year
    (a statistic which is laughable since most people who get measles stay
    at home and treat it and the majority of sick people go to private
    clinics that do not keep records this figure was of course trumped up).
    This of course is a questionable statistic since the majority of deaths
    in Uganda are not registered and few parents remember any measles death.
    No point in registering a person once he has died. Forty thousand people
    are far much less than those killed in Uganda annually due to the civil
    war, dwarfs the figure for malaria, which kills a child every five
    second and for which governments is happy to ignore. The health
    official, traveling in their full option four wheel drive jeeps (yours
    for only US70, 000), adorning business suits of the best German design
    and being watered by the delights of American coca cola, have slept in
    every good hotel in Uganda helping the poor get the message of
    immunization At a daily allowance of two hundred dollars as per diem,
    this mansion physicians, most of whom run businesses selling clothes,
    shoes, cars, alcohol, internet cafes, clinics etc the joy of spreading
    the immunization message is a god sent. Where as the world bank and the
    IMF steals from the poor, polio campaign rewards the poor physicians
    The months of July to end of October are to physician what the what
    Christmas or Valentine is to traders, with the start of the immunization
    day the boxing day of doctors.. The hungry are told that a vaccine is
    better than food, those in the refugee camps that its better than peace,
    those in war ravaged areas that it will offer instant freedom, those who
    have aids are told in official government documents that it will help
    them with their condition, the naked are told that its better than
    clothe. Everybody in Africa knows that once you have natural measles and
    your recover from it, and almost everybody recovers and people have
    natural herbs to treat measles, measles will never come again.

    Indeed the elders in Africa scratched their head trying to remember when
    evil spirit could have engineered measles to appear second time in a
    victim. But the government and the wisdom monopolists of the World
    health organization that turned a blind eye to cigarettes and promoted
    formula milk not too long ago, are telling especially those who have
    natural immunity to go and get their fair share of these purified
    measles viruses. These viruses are said to be so harmless that to prove
    it the health minister gave them to his son on a small spoon, this was
    of course the ultimate proof were waiting for. The president however did
    not given to his grand child who has just been born in Germany, although
    there were a lot of pressure that he does this, instead he administered
    the vaccine to somebody elses child. The local councilors are given
    money, not as much as the district councilors, whose cut of the vaccine
    windfall is only surpassed by those of the big shots at the ministry
    headquarters. A notorious councilor from Bushenyi District, the district
    local council speaker, Odo Tayebwa, moves from house to house, dragging
    children hidden underneath their beds to be vaccinated at gun point. Odo
    Tayebwa says he is happy doing gods work. The radio and newspapers are
    given adverts of safe the vaccine is.
    It has been tested by our ministry of health, says a triumphant voice
    from the government commercial and by unicelf and world health
    organization,. The Ministrys director of its official testing agency
    (Uganda Drugs Authority) is in prison for knowing allowing into the
    country fake and expired drugs.

    The propaganda which would make Gobbles look like a senior saint, says
    that the test were carefully carried by the World Health Organizations,
    whose majority of doctors are seconded to drug manufactures and the
    UNICELF which represents the interest of European big business. Uganda
    kings, queens some of whom cannot even read, are also paid by the
    ministry of health to tell the population that the vaccine has all the
    safety that comes with the loyal approval. No vaccine literature is
    provided apart from the propaganda material from the Ministry of health.

    This year the government had an added bonus, for their main protagonist,
    the human rights campaigner for peoples right to choose Kihura Nkuba,
    remained silent on the issue. Government at first thought this was a
    trick and went full frontal attacking him. When he did not respond, they
    told everybody that he had joined them. The Minister of information
    Nsaba Buturo said that he had cooperated very well, health minister Jim
    Muhwezi described him as our friend and doctors on national radio told
    the audience that he had sued for peace with the ministry of health.
    Silently however Kihura Nkuba told millions of his supporters that he
    couldnt breast-feed them forever, that he had talked enough and it was
    time they made their own decision. He was also assured that the people
    knew what to do and left to themselves would take decisions that were on
    his own interest. He quietly let it be known that people should not be
    afraid of going to jail, since it was the government that meets the cost
    of arrests, transportation and feeding and that the right to control
    ones body was a fundamental, right. He told the Monitor, a city news
    talk radio, that vaccination was like medical voodoo, that the doctors
    showed skills akin to witch doctors, that politicians who cannot
    mobilize their people to grow food were traitors and the government was
    doing what it does, listen to the Europeans unquestioningly. We are
    doing things to our children, that buffalos would never dream of doing
    to their calfs.

    Yet on the day of vaccination itself, the students whom they had
    targeted at school stayed at home, mothers hid their children in the
    bush, others were hidden under the bed. In most parts of the country
    particularly western and central Uganda, areas covered by Greater
    African Radio, the immunizers sat in classrooms without children as the
    boxes of contained the vaccines sweated in the chocking sun. The
    immunizers wore t-shirts bearing the words kick measles out of Uganda
    they had tops bearing the same message and plenty of American soft
    drinks. What they did not see were anxious parents, or even children. At
    neighboring schools in Western Uganda, learners cut the wire mesh
    surrounding their schools and jumped to safety some swearing that they
    had better quit school than take the measles live vaccine. Some parents
    thought that this was polo vaccine disguised as measles. The enthusiasm
    of government to give vaccines to a people that it normally gives
    nothing was seen as very suspicious. The forcing of them to take a
    vaccine against a disease they know to be harmless and which they know
    how to cure in its harmful state was seen as government hell bent on
    killing its own population for the benefit of commanding whiteworld. All
    village people know that once you have recovered from measles you will
    never catch it again, but here they were telling people to vaccinate
    even those who have recovered from measles. In other villages police
    armed to the teeth moved from house to house searching for children to
    immunize.

    Peasants pressed for time to plant their crops, have now got to spend
    five to ten days in hiding. Some physicians skeptical of the vaccine
    have also wrote vaccinations cards for themselves while differing the
    process of vaccinations. In the capital city areas of Nakawa, Mukono and
    the City Centre itself councilors saw their opportunity to make money
    and sold vaccination cards to parents who did not want their children
    immunized yet wanted to protect themselves from health officials bent on
    destruction. They paid between 2-10 dollars for a vaccination card.

    Boba Boda rider (motorcyclists who carry passengers) taunted the
    immuniser challenging them to immunize their own children. We are not
    sick they said, bring as some aspirins or anti malarial In reply the
    immunizes pulled out their mobile phones and started talking to their
    bosses sodas in hand.

    Are the sodas also tested by the world health organization? the
    cyclists asks.
    Take your drunkard ness away from here charged the medical men of letters.

    Journalist are agreed that in Western and large parts of central Uganda,
    government will have to agree with Kihura Nkuba on what to do. It does
    not matter whether he does not speak. Until he says the vaccine is safe
    nobody will vaccinate voluntarily

    As for Kihura Nkuba, he says if the government can increase their
    income, their sanitation, their education then he would be prepared to
    negotiate. The criminal investigation department of the Uganda police is
    looking for Kihura Nkuba for questioning regarding his remarks he made
    against measles. They are blamed for poor results. The government has
    also put a brave face on the whole exercise saying the result achieved
    showed that 70% had received measles.

    Otherwise the poor farmers of Uganda have decided to defy their
    government again. They have not trust their doctors and have given
    thumbs down to the WHO, USAID and UNICELF. In so doing however they have
    harvested a cup of bitterness.

    I am sure that soon the world health organization will find something
    wrong with black skin and a mandatory vaccine should be in existence
    somewhere to help us get rid of it.

    African World Against Destruction.

  2. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    We thank Kihura for sending this article, written by the PAC.
    (Kihura spoke at NVIC conference in 2002 - transript is here
    http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba.html
    Uganda vaccinating children to death for polio - NEVER was polio in


    Uganda)

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.nvic.org


    ....

    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be spared?
    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

    A quick check brings up this article:
    http://search.csmonitor.com/durable/2001/04/09/fp7s2-csm.shtml

    Which has this paragraph:
    "In total, there are 27,000 disabled leaders, including five members of
    Parliament and a minister for the disabled - Florence Naiga Sekabira. Ms.
    Sekabira walks with a crutch because of a bout with polio, which is still
    common in Uganda and the leading cause of disability here"

  3. Where is the the polio in North America? Why would North America be spared?

    ">

    Quoted message said:

    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be


    spared?

    Quoted message said:

    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Gymmy Bob said:

    Where is the the polio in North America? Why would North America be spared?

    Because we vaccinate against it, numbskull.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be


    spared?

    Quoted message said:

    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

  5. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    We thank Kihura for sending this article, written by the PAC.
    (Kihura spoke at NVIC conference in 2002 - transript is here
    http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba.html
    Uganda vaccinating children to death for polio - NEVER was polio in


    Uganda)

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.nvic.org
    tapes of talk available thru NVIC website
    IT WAS an INCREDIBLE presentation that I watched on CSPAN

    Kihura is founder of Greater African Radio and president of the East
    African World Broadcasters
    Association, and director of the Pan-African Center for Strategic and
    International Studies.

    ******

    Greetings,

    I bring you greeting from Uganda and Eastern Part of Afrika. Just a
    small article writtten by the PAC on the people's reaction to
    immunisation here.

    Please keep in touch.
    Kihura


    ....

    More on Mr. Nkuba:
    http://ibb7.ibb.gov/thisweek/library/archive/apr00/polio.html

  6. [email hidden] (David Wright) wrote in news:bYPBb.35706$Fk3.1325
    @newssvr32.news.prodigy.com:

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Gymmy Bob said:

    Where is the the polio in North America? Why would North America be


    spared?

    Quoted message said:


    Because we vaccinate against it, numbskull.

    Yup, Chalupa Chuck the bookseller, GB (garbage brain?), and "C" certainly
    are quite remarkable. One would think all three are the same person. I
    would have bet it was impossible for two staggeringly stupid people to
    show up in one usenet newsgroup at the same time and yet, here are three
    of them.

    r

    Quoted message said:


    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be


    spared?

    Quoted message said:

    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

    --
    Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

  7. "HCN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<F0NBb.498736

    Quoted message said:


    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be spared?
    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

    polio is just a pretext and red herring (lets argue forever if polio
    has been a problem in Africa and forget the covert-genocide), for one
    thing polio vaccine has never been shown to work but is just another
    ploy to cover up the real cause--pesticides and other vaccines.

    If I can work it out then they can too

    http://www.whale.to/m/genocide.html

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    john said:

    We thank Kihura for sending this article, written by the PAC.
    (Kihura spoke at NVIC conference in 2002 - transript is here
    http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba.html
    Uganda vaccinating children to death for polio - NEVER was polio in Uganda)

    Hahahaha. Not that polio is funny, but then someone posted a web page
    about a Ugandan who had polio and now travels to remote areas of
    Uganda to refute [censored] like the stuff Scudamoron posts.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    The small beautiful country called Uganda,
    spend nine million of its meager resources marketing this European
    product (the money spent would have build 120,000 protected water
    springs giving 30% of the country access to clean water, it would have
    been build ten ultra modern research centers looking at for example
    pests that are threatening the banana crop, but government chose
    European impose priorities. According to government, measles was a
    threat to national interest, claiming more than 40,000 lives every year
    (a statistic which is laughable since most people who get measles stay
    at home and treat it and the majority of sick people go to private
    clinics that do not keep records this figure was of course trumped up).

    It's impossible to know. In fact, even the population of Uganda is
    not really known with great accuracy, though the estimates seem to be
    around 22 million. But given that measles can run a 10% mortality
    rate in a 3rd World country, I'd say the 40,000 figure is at least
    plausible.

    Quoted message said:

    This of course is a questionable statistic since the majority of deaths
    in Uganda are not registered and few parents remember any measles death.
    No point in registering a person once he has died. Forty thousand people
    are far much less than those killed in Uganda annually due to the civil
    war, dwarfs the figure for malaria, which kills a child every five
    second and for which governments is happy to ignore.

    Apples and oranges. There is no malaria vaccine and even the drugs to
    control it are expensive and may not always work.

    <the rest snipped>

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    john said:

    "HCN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<F0NBb.498736

    Quoted message said:


    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be spared?
    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?


    polio is just a pretext and red herring (lets argue forever if polio
    has been a problem in Africa and forget the covert-genocide), for one
    thing polio vaccine has never been shown to work but is just another
    ploy to cover up the real cause--pesticides and other vaccines.

    It's a pity for Scudamoron's warped view of reality that some of the
    places in the world with the highest polio incidence also have both
    a low incidence of vaccination and a low use of DDT. But facts are
    not going to stand in John-boy's way, so don't worry.

    Quoted message said:

    If I can work it out then they can too

    You couldn't work a nail out of a board.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  10. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "HCN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<F0NBb.498736

    Quoted message said:


    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be


    spared?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

    polio is just a pretext and red herring (lets argue forever if polio
    has been a problem in Africa and forget the covert-genocide), for one
    thing polio vaccine has never been shown to work but is just another
    ploy to cover up the real cause--pesticides and other vaccines.

    If I can work it out then they can too

    http://www.whale.to/....

    Whenever I see this web address I think of this little story:
    http://www.perp.com/whale/

  11. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "HCN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<F0NBb.498736

    Quoted message said:


    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be


    spared?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

    polio is just a pretext and red herring (lets argue forever if polio
    has been a problem in Africa and forget the covert-genocide), for one
    thing polio vaccine has never been shown to work but is just another
    ploy to cover up the real cause--pesticides and other vaccines.

    If I can work it out then they can too

    John, when you work out something, you get the same thing as the constipated
    mathematician who worked it out with a pencil......

  12. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "HCN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<F0NBb.498736

    Quoted message said:


    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be


    spared?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

    polio is just a pretext and red herring (lets argue forever if polio
    has been a problem in Africa and forget the covert-genocide), for one
    thing polio vaccine has never been shown to work but is just another
    ploy to cover up the real cause--pesticides and other vaccines.

    If I can work it out then they can too

    Covert genocide? The genocide that occurs in Uganda is as overt as such
    things can get. Even if vaccines were as toxic in reality as they are in
    your paranoid fantasies, the Hutus and the Tsutsis in Uganda could not
    afford them and would have no use for such subtlety. They prefer to use
    machetes for their killing.

    The effort to vaccinate for polio in Uganda, and other remote parts of the
    world is part of the effort to eliminate wild polio, which is now confined
    to a few under-vaccinated regions. Whether you like it or not, John, the
    reason there is no wild polio in the industrialized world is that
    vaccination "works."

    Pesticides have nothing to do with genocide, polio, or vaccination. Your
    mention of pesticides is a great example of a "Red Herring."

    --Rich

  13. "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "HCN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<F0NBb.498736

    Quoted message said:


    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be


    spared?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

    polio is just a pretext and red herring (lets argue forever if polio
    has been a problem in Africa and forget the covert-genocide), for one
    thing polio vaccine has never been shown to work but is just another
    ploy to cover up the real cause--pesticides and other vaccines.

    If I can work it out then they can too

    Covert genocide? The genocide that occurs in Uganda is as overt as such
    things can get. Even if vaccines were as toxic in reality as they are in
    your paranoid fantasies, the Hutus and the Tsutsis in Uganda could not
    afford them and would have no use for such subtlety. They prefer to use
    machetes for their killing.

    What they do to people with machetes, John does to logic and reality with
    his posts and website.

    Quoted message said:

    The effort to vaccinate for polio in Uganda, and other remote parts of the
    world is part of the effort to eliminate wild polio, which is now confined
    to a few under-vaccinated regions. Whether you like it or not, John, the
    reason there is no wild polio in the industrialized world is that
    vaccination "works."

    Pesticides have nothing to do with genocide, polio, or vaccination. Your
    mention of pesticides is a great example of a "Red Herring."

    john worries about PESTicides, as he feels they are meant for him.

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rich Shewmaker said:


    "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "HCN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<F0NBb.498736

    Quoted message said:


    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be


    spared?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

    polio is just a pretext and red herring (lets argue forever if polio
    has been a problem in Africa and forget the covert-genocide), for one
    thing polio vaccine has never been shown to work but is just another
    ploy to cover up the real cause--pesticides and other vaccines.

    If I can work it out then they can too

    Covert genocide? The genocide that occurs in Uganda is as overt as such
    things can get. Even if vaccines were as toxic in reality as they are in
    your paranoid fantasies, the Hutus and the Tsutsis in Uganda could not
    afford them and would have no use for such subtlety.

    Hutus and Tutsis? I think you're thinking of Rwanda, there, bunkie.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  15. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Hutus and Tutsis? I think you're thinking of Rwanda, there, bunkie.

    Actually Burundi more than anywhere, but this conflict is no respecter of
    borders, and spreads over several African nations.

    --Rich

  16. "HCN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<F0NBb.498736

    Quoted message said:


    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be spared?
    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

    A quick check brings up this article:
    http://search.csmonitor.com/durable/2001/04/09/fp7s2-csm.shtml

    Which has this paragraph:
    "In total, there are 27,000 disabled leaders, including five members of
    Parliament and a minister for the disabled - Florence Naiga Sekabira. Ms.
    Sekabira walks with a crutch because of a bout with polio, which is still
    common in Uganda and the leading cause of disability here"

    telling quote from Ugandan:
    And according to the information I had, there was really no polio in
    Uganda. There had been no polio. I grew up to be twenty five. I didn't
    see anybody with polio. I started seeing polio when I went to the
    cities where polio vaccination had taken place

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    john said:

    "HCN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<F0NBb.498736

    Quoted message said:


    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be spared?
    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

    A quick check brings up this article:
    http://search.csmonitor.com/durable/2001/04/09/fp7s2-csm.shtml

    Which has this paragraph:
    "In total, there are 27,000 disabled leaders, including five members of
    Parliament and a minister for the disabled - Florence Naiga Sekabira. Ms.
    Sekabira walks with a crutch because of a bout with polio, which is still
    common in Uganda and the leading cause of disability here"

    telling quote from Ugandan:
    And according to the information I had, there was really no polio in
    Uganda. There had been no polio. I grew up to be twenty five. I didn't
    see anybody with polio. I started seeing polio when I went to the
    cities where polio vaccination had taken place

    It's a "telling" quotation, all right -- it's telling us that John is
    an idiot (which we already knew). Polio will be more prevalent in
    urban areas just because there are more people around to spread it.
    Also, if sanitation is not good, that's ideal for spreading polio, and
    often in poor countries, sanitation is bad. (However, polio spread
    quite well even in the US in the 1950s, and those weren't exactly
    Third World conditons -- I'm not trying to make Uganda some kind of
    international fall guy. Indeed, really good sanitation means that
    more people will contract polio, in the absence of vaccination, at a
    later age when it's more likely to have severe effects.)

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
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    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  18. Rich Shewmaker said:


    "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "HCN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<F0NBb.498736

    Quoted message said:


    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be


    spared?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

    polio is just a pretext and red herring (lets argue forever if polio
    has been a problem in Africa and forget the covert-genocide), for one
    thing polio vaccine has never been shown to work but is just another
    ploy to cover up the real cause--pesticides and other vaccines.

    If I can work it out then they can too

    Covert genocide? The genocide that occurs in Uganda is as overt as such
    things can get. Even if vaccines were as toxic in reality as they are in
    your paranoid fantasies, the Hutus and the Tsutsis in Uganda could not
    afford them and would have no use for such subtlety. They prefer to use
    machetes for their killing.

    John isn't talking about that genocide. He's talking about genocide
    through vaccination as carried out as a deliberate policy of the WHO
    and Save the Children. He has a rant from Dr Archie Kalokerinos
    somewhere on the whale.to site which says just this. I saw Kalokerinos
    at an anti-vaccination rally in Sydney last year. I told my companion
    that I was going to ask him if he still believed the genocide story
    but I didn't have to. In his speech, Kalokerinos said that WHO and StC
    "put [censored] and Stalin in the shade" when it came to deliberate,
    planned mass killings. I have visited the secure wards of mental
    hospitals and met inmates who are more sane than Kalokerinos.

    Quoted message said:

    The effort to vaccinate for polio in Uganda, and other remote parts of the
    world is part of the effort to eliminate wild polio, which is now confined
    to a few under-vaccinated regions. Whether you like it or not, John, the
    reason there is no wild polio in the industrialized world is that
    vaccination "works."

    Pesticides have nothing to do with genocide, polio, or vaccination. Your
    mention of pesticides is a great example of a "Red Herring."

    --Rich

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  19. [email hidden] (john) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "HCN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<F0NBb.498736

    Quoted message said:


    Uh, huh... since when was polio NOT in Uganda? Why would Uganda be spared?
    Where do they get this kind of mis-information?

    A quick check brings up this article:
    http://search.csmonitor.com/durable/2001/04/09/fp7s2-csm.shtml

    Which has this paragraph:
    "In total, there are 27,000 disabled leaders, including five members of
    Parliament and a minister for the disabled - Florence Naiga Sekabira. Ms.
    Sekabira walks with a crutch because of a bout with polio, which is still
    common in Uganda and the leading cause of disability here"

    telling quote from Ugandan:
    And according to the information I had, there was really no polio in
    Uganda. There had been no polio. I grew up to be twenty five. I didn't
    see anybody with polio. I started seeing polio when I went to the
    cities where polio vaccination had taken place

    Didn't Betty Martini "quote" some Ugandan health minister when she
    originated her silly-ass diatribe against aspartame? Maybe Idi Amin's
    syphilis-induced craziness has rubbed off on the rest of the Ugandan
    population...

    Mark, MD

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