vegetarian

At least he is humane enough to have a limit. Some have none !

Jan Gardner said:

About 15 years ago, I thought I could go for 2 weeks without eating meat for a diet. I didn't
loose any weight but enjoyed the creative meals I cooked so much that I still don't eat meat or
crave it. The kitchen stayed so clean! I I eat seafood and dairy as it is too much trouble to plan
meals or eat out othewise. As I see it, there is no right or wrong. Where ever one wants to draw
the line is a good thing, for health, the planet, etc. I have since married a carnivore, but he
won't eat veal. That is his line.

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About 15 years ago, I thought I could go for 2 weeks without eating meat for a diet. I didn't
loose any weight but enjoyed the creative meals I cooked so much that I still don't eat meat or
crave it. The kitchen stayed so clean! I I eat seafood and dairy as it is too much trouble to plan
meals or eat out othewise. As I see it, there is no right or wrong. Where ever one wants to draw
the line is a good thing, for health, the planet, etc. I have since married a carnivore, but he
won't eat veal. That is his line.

I agree with what you say, but feel compelled to point out that vegetarians do not eat seafood.
Vegetarian means no animal flesh - no chicken, no fish, no shrimp. no clams, etc. There's a lot to
commend a diet such as yours, but it is not vegetarian.

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About 15 years ago, I thought I could go for 2 weeks without eating meat for a diet. I didn't
loose any weight but enjoyed the creative meals I cooked so much that I still don't eat meat or
crave it. The kitchen stayed so clean! I I eat seafood and dairy as it is too much trouble to
plan meals or eat out othewise. As I see it, there is no right or wrong. Where ever one wants to
draw the line is a good thing, for health, the planet, etc. I have since married a carnivore,
but he won't eat veal. That is his line.

I agree with what you say, but feel compelled to point out that vegetarians do not eat seafood.
Vegetarian means no animal flesh - no chicken, no fish, no shrimp. no clams, etc. There's a lot to
commend a diet such as yours, but it is not vegetarian.

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Actually it is Peter. Vegetarian is a term also applied to those that do not eat red meat (only eat
chicken or seafood). Many 'vegetarian' restaurants offer seafood dishes (like the moosewood)

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I agree with what you say, but feel compelled to point out that vegetarians do not eat seafood.
Vegetarian means no animal flesh - no chicken, no fish, no shrimp. no clams, etc. There's a lot
to commend a diet such as yours, but it is not vegetarian.

Actually it is Peter. Vegetarian is a term also applied to those that do not eat red meat (only eat
chicken or seafood). Many 'vegetarian' restaurants offer seafood dishes (like the moosewood)

That's misuse of the term, and one which gives actual vegetarians many problems. I used to be
vegetarian, but I now eat fish, so I'm not one anymore. Someone eating fish is not vegetarian, and
people misunderstanding an -ism does not make the -ism so. Try learning something about what
vegetarianism is about, not just the popular misunderstanding of it.

If someone eating fish, but not meat wants a fancy label to wear, they can call themselves
"phescarian" or similar, but they shouldn't claim to belong to an -ism which they don't, or hi-jack
the name of that -ism as their own.
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I agree with what you say, but feel compelled to point out that

vegetarians

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do not eat seafood. Vegetarian means no animal flesh - no chicken, no

fish,

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no shrimp. no clams, etc. There's a lot to commend a diet such as yours,

but

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it is not vegetarian.

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Actually it is Peter. Vegetarian is a term also applied to those that do

not eat

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red meat (only eat chicken or seafood). Many 'vegetarian' restaurants

offer

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seafood dishes (like the moosewood)

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From Websters!

One entry found for vegetarianism.

Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m Function: noun Date: circa 1851
: the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables , fruits,
grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products

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Quoted message said:

Actually it is Peter. Vegetarian is a term also applied to those that do

not eat

Quoted message said:

red meat (only eat chicken or seafood). Many 'vegetarian' restaurants

offer

Quoted message said:

seafood dishes (like the moosewood)

The term has become vegetarian meaningless as a result of this kind of thinking. If someone eats
animal products they are not a vegetarian it is that simple. And no, that does not make one a vegan.
Look it up.

I don't understand why people feel the need to refer to themselves as vegetarians when they aren't.
Is it the perceived "coolness" factor? To me they just sound like morons when they try to argue the
point. I could argue all day long that I'm cool but it ain't gonna make it so. <g>

-Mike

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Peter Aitken said:

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Quoted message said:

About 15 years ago, I thought I could go for 2 weeks without eating

meat

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for a diet. I didn't loose any weight but enjoyed the creative meals I cooked so much that I
still don't eat meat or crave it. The kitchen stayed so clean! I I eat seafood and dairy as it
is too much trouble

to

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plan meals or eat out othewise. As I see it, there is no right or

wrong.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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Where ever one wants to draw the line is a good thing, for health, the planet, etc. I have
since married a carnivore, but he won't eat veal. That is his line.

I agree with what you say, but feel compelled to point out that

vegetarians

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do not eat seafood. Vegetarian means no animal flesh - no chicken, no

fish,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

no shrimp. no clams, etc. There's a lot to commend a diet such as yours,

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it is not vegetarian.

--
Peter Aitken

Actually it is Peter. Vegetarian is a term also applied to those that do

not eat

Quoted message said:

red meat (only eat chicken or seafood). Many 'vegetarian' restaurants

offer

Quoted message said:

seafood dishes (like the moosewood)

--

You are right that many people use the term "vegetarian" that way, but it is still wrong. Check a
dictionary. For example, my Websters: "A person who does not eat meat, fish, fowl." Unfortunately
the term has been misused so much that it is essentially meaningless. If someone says they are a
vegetarian about all you can assume is that they do not eat huge bloody steaks!!

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From Websters!

One entry found for vegetarianism.

Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m Function: noun Date: circa 1851
: the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables ,

fruits,

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grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products

I've seen this definition before. I'm still trying to figure out when those "sometimes" are that
eggs and dairy products are vegetables. <g>

-Mike

Peter Aitken typed:

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If someone says they are a vegetarian about all you can assume is that they do not eat huge bloody
steaks!!

(Quoting out of context) Then *I* must be a vegetarian. I can't afford huge bloody steaks, so I
don't eat them, but give me a nice pork butt or brisket...

BOB

Many years ago I ran a vegan catering business. One day I was chatting with my ad rep. She told me
that she'd been vegetarian for 12 years. I assumed that meant she ate no red meat, poultry, fish or
shellfish but that she did eat eggs and dairy since that's the standard definition I learned from
the dictionary. I told her I admired her but that I'd never been completely vegetarian. I ate little
meat, but I still ate some. I'd even gone months as a vegetarian but had never stuck with it longer
than that. She accepted my compliment.

We kept chatting, and the subject turned to Thanksgiving. She was making a feast for her extended
family. I asked her about the main course assuming that she wasn't serving turkey. Oh no, she ate
turkey, she told me. At first I thought she was joking, but she meant it quite seriously. Apparently
she's the sort of vegetarian who eats poultry and fish.

At home my boyfriend and I joked about ovo-lacto vegetarians and ovo-lacto-pesce-pollo-carne
vegetarians. I'm still not sure why she felt the need to use the term "vegetarian" to describe her
eating habits. To her it must mean that she likes vegetables or that she likes identifying with the
cool, New Age crowd of folks who share quasi religious beliefs. I'm really not sure.

More recently I've noticed a similar switch in the meaning of the word "fast." It should mean going
for a length of time with no food or water or at least with no food. Then I started hearing about
"juice fasts" which apparently means only fruit juices but no other food. Then that became drinking
anything, even whole fruits and vegetables that had been pureed. Next step is a "fast" that means
you can eat anything as long as it fits through a straw including milk, smoothies made with grains,
vegetables, probably a 12 ounce steak that's been pulverized. I'm sure it won't be long before I'm
hearing about "fasts" that allow you to eat that Thanksgiving turkey.

--Lia

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From Websters!

One entry found for vegetarianism.

Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m Function: noun Date: circa 1851
: the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables ,

fruits,

Quoted message said:

grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products

I've seen this definition before. I'm still trying to figure out when

those

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"sometimes" are that eggs and dairy products are vegetables. <g>

-Mike

Actually it comes from a better definition:

Dimitri

vegetarian-diet.infovegetarians types.htmOpen ↗

Definition of Vegetarian and Vegetarianism

There is no exact definition of the words 'vegetarian' or 'vegetarianism.' They cover a wide range
of meat-restricted eating habits.

In general, a vegetarian is someone whose diet omits animal products, but some vegetarians do eat
some meat-products (milk, eggs, meat fats) and some vegetarians eat fish.

The strictest type of vegetarian is a 'vegan' who avoids all flesh as well as all meat-by-products.

Main Types of Vegetarian and Vegetarianism

The most common types of vegetarian are:

Semi or Part Vegetarians Ovo-Lacto Vegetarians Vegans Macrobiotic & other Vegetarians

Vegetarian Health Note: A balanced vegetarian diet is perfectly healthy and offers significant extra
health benefits over the average Western meat-eating diet.

The last category of vegetarians (Macrobiotic vegetarians etc) follow diets that are not recommended
by most nutritionists, as these vegetarian diets lack certain nutrients. Exception is Pescetarians.

In article <WEpLb.2567$8H.15543@attbi_s03>,

Julia Altshuler said:

At home my boyfriend and I joked about ovo-lacto vegetarians and ovo-lacto-pesce-pollo-carne
vegetarians. I'm still not sure why she felt the need to use the term "vegetarian" to describe her
eating habits. To her it must mean that she likes vegetables or that she likes identifying with the
cool, New Age crowd of folks who share quasi religious beliefs. I'm really not sure.

This is why I don't label myself a vegeterian and just say that I prefer not to eat meat. I cook no
meat at home and 99% of the time when I go out, I eat no meat. However, once in a while I'll go to
someone's home and they've prepared meat and I'm not comfortable in having people make a separate
course for me. Or once in a while I'll go out somewhere where there really are no good veggie
choices (example: My company holiday dinner is tonight and we're going to a well-reputed local steak
house...I doubt they have any good vegeterian selections other then bland steamed veggies on bad
pasta). I feel guilty aftewards (my main reasons for not eating meat are environmental and ethical,
not really health related) but I've come to the point that I'm comfortable with with my choices in
eating and don't turn them into dogma.

Hmm..I seem to have lost my point somewhere along the way. I guess it's that as soon as you label
yourself, you've opened yourself up to other people's expectations. For example, as soon as someone
says they are a republican or a democrat, you have certain expectations about their behaviour,
lifestyle, and beliefs. Same goes with calling oneself a vegetarian. Once you label yourself as one,
everyone is going to have their own expectations of what you do and do not eat.

~Deepak

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From Websters!

One entry found for vegetarianism.

Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m Function: noun Date: circa 1851
: the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables ,

fruits,

Quoted message said:

grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products

I've seen this definition before. I'm still trying to figure out when those "sometimes" are that
eggs and dairy products are vegetables. <g>

-Mike

Hmm Ive heard that vegan applies to those that eat no dairy or eggs and vegetarian for those that
do. I never said that the terms were correct, just that the popular definition of the term often
includes seafood eaters, chicken, etc

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The strictest type of vegetarian is a 'vegan' who avoids all flesh as well as all meat-by-
products.

I find the strictist diet to be a fruitarian. They not only don't eat any meat products, but they
won't eat any part of a plant where the plant has to give up its life. They will only eat fruits,
nuts and seeds.

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In article <[email hidden]>, "Dimitri"

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The strictest type of vegetarian is a 'vegan' who avoids all flesh as

well

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as all meat-by-products.

I find the strictist diet to be a fruitarian. They not only don't eat any meat products, but they
won't eat any part of a plant where the plant has to give up its life. They will only eat fruits,
nuts and seeds.

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And all the time I thought you were talking about some of the people in West Hollywood.

LOL

Dimitri

Deepak Saxena said:

Hmm..I seem to have lost my point somewhere along the way. I guess it's that as soon as you label
yourself, you've opened yourself up to other people's expectations. For example, as soon as
someone says they are a republican or a democrat, you have certain expectations about their
behaviour, lifestyle, and beliefs. Same goes with calling oneself a vegetarian. Once you label
yourself as one, everyone is going to have their own expectations of what you do and do not eat.

Yes. I agree. But I also think that labels and categories are useful. For example, I'm not now
vegetarian myself, but I'm fully capable of putting together a good vegan or vegetarian meal for
friends who are. I'd certainly hope new friends would tell me they were vegetarian before arriving
at my home so I could plan the meal accordingly. Rather than go through a long list of foods they'd
rather not eat (beef, pork, rabbit, duck, chicken, turkey, etc.), it is a lot easier if they say
"we're ovo-lacto vegetarians." That way I WOULD have an expectation of what they do and do not eat,
a fairly accurate one.

It is the same with folks who keep kosher. Taken individually, their requests might sound random.
Give me the umbrella term "kosher," and I have a good idea of what that entails, maybe not exact
since individuals keep kosher to different degrees, but pretty close.

--Lia

to quote the late Mrs. Linda McCartney "if it has a face don't eat it" vegetarians do not eat any
meat, fish or fowl and vegans do not eat the former OR any product with animal or dairy ingredients,
and they do not wear leather or suede or fur, the list is endless (well nearly)i have two vegetarian
daughters which is no hardship when it comes to mealtimes but i do have a vegan niece and her mum
was SO glad when she married and left home!!!!!.

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From Websters!

One entry found for vegetarianism.

Main Entry: veg·e·tar·i·an·ism Pronunciation: -E-&-"ni-z&m Function: noun Date: circa 1851
: the theory or practice of living on a diet made up of vegetables ,

fruits,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products

I've seen this definition before. I'm still trying to figure out when

those

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"sometimes" are that eggs and dairy products are vegetables. <g>

-Mike

Actually it comes from a better definition:

Dimitri

vegetarian-diet.infovegetarians types.htmOpen ↗

Definition of Vegetarian and Vegetarianism

There is no exact definition of the words 'vegetarian' or 'vegetarianism.' They cover a wide range
of meat-restricted eating habits.

In general, a vegetarian is someone whose diet omits animal products, but some vegetarians do eat
some meat-products (milk, eggs, meat fats) and some vegetarians eat fish.

The strictest type of vegetarian is a 'vegan' who avoids all flesh as well as all meat-by-
products.

Main Types of Vegetarian and Vegetarianism

The most common types of vegetarian are:

Semi or Part Vegetarians

IOW, NOT vegetarians.

-L.

(paula) said:

to quote the late Mrs. Linda McCartney "if it has a face don't eat it" vegetarians do not eat any
meat, fish or fowl and vegans do not eat the former OR any product with animal or dairy
ingredients, and they do not wear leather or suede or fur, the list is endless (well nearly)i have
two vegetarian daughters which is no hardship when it comes to mealtimes but i do have a vegan
niece and her mum was SO glad when she married and left home!!!!!.

I knew someone whose young'un wouldn't eat anything "cute" -- fish, chicken and beef OK; lamb veal,
rabbit, and duck (and oddly, goose) verbotten.

With all the food limits we harbor for taste, ethical, religious, diet, and health reasons, the
various flavors of vegetarianism are hardly bizarre.