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  1. If you want it, commercial intrests will provide it,
    vegetarians can now go low carb
    :

    South Beach Diet attracting vegetarians By CORALIE
    CARLSON, Associated Press (Published June 16' 2004) MIAMI
    BEACH, Fla. (AP) - The South Beach Diet is known for
    producing svelte bikini-clad bodies on its namesake
    sands, but now the diet's promise to melt away belly fat
    is drawing an unlikely group into the low-carb craze:
    vegetarians.

    For years low-carb and vegetarian diets have been on
    opposite ends of the eating spectrum - when an Atkins
    dieter orders a bunless burger, a vegetarian orders a
    burgerless bun.

    But Dr. Arthur Agatston, a Miami Beach cardiologist who
    created the South Beach Diet, said he developed a
    vegetarian version of his plan long before it became a
    best-selling book and diet to the stars.

    Now about 4,000 vegetarians use his diet's Web site,
    which offers meatless meal plans and recipes. Vegetarian
    Times magazine featured the diet in its January edition.
    And vegetarians inundate Agatston with calls when he
    appears on radio and talk shows.

    "I have been surprised that so many vegetarians have
    called," he said.

    He isn't the only one.

    "I get, 'What do you mean? Isn't that low-carb? How do
    you do low-carb and be a vegetarian?'" said Deborah
    Pavek, a 42-year-old vegetarian in Salt Lake City who
    lost 13 pounds after nearly two months on the diet.

    David Patlak, a 6-foot-5 retired Coast Guard officer,
    said he has kept off 50 pounds on Agatston's plan. The
    Floridian lives mostly a vegetarian lifestyle but can't
    help indulging occasionally on South Beach's famous
    stone crabs.

    A family history of obesity and a weakness for sugar had
    contributed to his previous weight of 300 pounds.

    "We were just eating sugar," he said of him and his wife,
    Maryanne. "Whether it was in root vegetables, whether it
    was in vegan chocolate, or it was in vegan desserts."

    Part of the allure of the South Beach Diet is that it
    allows more carbs - followers call it modified-carb, not
    low-carb - than some other diets.

    "I haven't done Atkins because I don't eat meat and
    there's no way I could eat all that tofu," said Jann
    Marks, 45, of the Chicago suburb of Darien. But she's
    lost 15 pounds on the South Beach Diet and is "not eating
    a ton of tofu."

    So what does a South Beach vegetarian eat?

    Lots of vegetables, beans, legumes and soy products.
    Fruit and whole-grain foods - like whole-wheat pasta and
    old-fashioned oatmeal - are allowed in moderation in the
    second and third phases of the diet.

    If the vegetarian eats eggs and dairy products, those are
    allowed too
    - as long as dairy is low-fat.

    The first phase of the three-phase diet is the most
    restrictive, cutting out all fruit, bread, pasta, rice,
    potatoes and baked goods. It lasts for two weeks and
    promises eight to 13 pounds of weight loss.

    Vegetarians might not see a dramatic weight loss in
    the first phase, said South Beach dietitian Marie
    Almon, because they are eating more carbohydrates than
    meat eaters.

    In the next two phases, more fruit and other carbs are
    reintroduced.

    Dawn Jackson, a dietitian and spokeswoman for the
    American Dietetic Association, said the South Beach Diet
    is generally healthy - even for vegetarians - because it
    helps people make better food choices.

    But she suggests most vegetarians could just "take their
    current diet and just make modifications to it."

    Vegetarians might be turning toward the popular diet
    because, like other Americans, many are getting fatter.

    "It is more in the era of processed carbs that people say
    they're a vegetarian and they're still overweight,"
    Agatston said.

    "Ice cream is vegetarian," notes Lynne Forti, 41, of
    Middleboro, Mass., who dropped 10 pounds in two months on
    the South Beach Diet. "There's a lot of things that are
    vegetarian that aren't necessarily good for you."

    The 48-year-old Patlak says he's replaced root vegetables
    with green leafy ones and the vegan deserts with a
    homemade yogurt-based pudding.

    He's gained so much confidence and motivation from the
    weight loss he's made other changes in his life -
    including running for Congress.

  2. And they benefit by losing weight from restricting their
    intake of refined and high-GI carbs.

    The get fat on a high-carb/low-fat vegetarian diet. So much
    for the low-fat/low-calorie equals weight-loss concept.
    Kinda kicks the calorie theory in the pants doesn't it.

    TC

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    Quoted message said:

    If you want it, commercial intrests will provide it,
    vegetarians can now go low carb
    :

    South Beach Diet attracting vegetarians By CORALIE
    CARLSON, Associated Press (Published June 16' 2004)
    MIAMI BEACH, Fla. (AP) - The South Beach Diet is known
    for producing svelte bikini-clad bodies on its namesake
    sands, but now the diet's promise to melt away belly
    fat is drawing an unlikely group into the low-carb
    craze: vegetarians.

    For years low-carb and vegetarian diets have been on
    opposite ends of the eating spectrum - when an Atkins
    dieter orders a bunless burger, a vegetarian orders a
    burgerless bun.

    But Dr. Arthur Agatston, a Miami Beach cardiologist who
    created the South Beach Diet, said he developed a
    vegetarian version of his plan long before it became a
    best-selling book and diet to the stars.

    Now about 4,000 vegetarians use his diet's Web site,
    which offers meatless meal plans and recipes.
    Vegetarian Times magazine featured the diet in its
    January edition. And vegetarians inundate Agatston with
    calls when he appears on radio and talk shows.

    "I have been surprised that so many vegetarians have
    called," he said.

    He isn't the only one.

    "I get, 'What do you mean? Isn't that low-carb? How do
    you do low-carb and be a vegetarian?'" said Deborah
    Pavek, a 42-year-old vegetarian in Salt Lake City who
    lost 13 pounds after nearly two months on the diet.

    David Patlak, a 6-foot-5 retired Coast Guard officer,
    said he has kept off 50 pounds on Agatston's plan. The
    Floridian lives mostly a vegetarian lifestyle but can't
    help indulging occasionally on South Beach's famous
    stone crabs.

    A family history of obesity and a weakness for sugar
    had contributed to his previous weight of 300 pounds.

    "We were just eating sugar," he said of him and his
    wife, Maryanne. "Whether it was in root vegetables,
    whether it was in vegan chocolate, or it was in vegan
    desserts."

    Part of the allure of the South Beach Diet is that it
    allows more carbs - followers call it modified-carb,
    not low-carb - than some other diets.

    "I haven't done Atkins because I don't eat meat and
    there's no way I could eat all that tofu," said Jann
    Marks, 45, of the Chicago suburb of Darien. But she's
    lost 15 pounds on the South Beach Diet and is "not
    eating a ton of tofu."

    So what does a South Beach vegetarian eat?

    Lots of vegetables, beans, legumes and soy products.
    Fruit and whole-grain foods - like whole-wheat pasta
    and old-fashioned oatmeal - are allowed in moderation
    in the second and third phases of the diet.

    If the vegetarian eats eggs and dairy products, those
    are allowed too
    - as long as dairy is low-fat.

    The first phase of the three-phase diet is the most
    restrictive, cutting out all fruit, bread, pasta, rice,
    potatoes and baked goods. It lasts for two weeks and
    promises eight to 13 pounds of weight loss.

    Vegetarians might not see a dramatic weight loss in the
    first phase, said South Beach dietitian Marie Almon,
    because they are eating more carbohydrates than meat
    eaters.

    In the next two phases, more fruit and other carbs are
    reintroduced.

    Dawn Jackson, a dietitian and spokeswoman for the
    American Dietetic Association, said the South Beach
    Diet is generally healthy - even for vegetarians -
    because it helps people make better food choices.

    But she suggests most vegetarians could just "take
    their current diet and just make modifications to it."

    Vegetarians might be turning toward the popular diet
    because, like other Americans, many are getting fatter.

    "It is more in the era of processed carbs that people
    say they're a vegetarian and they're still overweight,"
    Agatston said.

    "Ice cream is vegetarian," notes Lynne Forti, 41, of
    Middleboro, Mass., who dropped 10 pounds in two months
    on the South Beach Diet. "There's a lot of things that
    are vegetarian that aren't necessarily good for you."

    The 48-year-old Patlak says he's replaced root
    vegetables with green leafy ones and the vegan deserts
    with a homemade yogurt-based pudding.

    He's gained so much confidence and motivation from the
    weight loss he's made other changes in his life -
    including running for Congress.

  3. "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> píse v diskusním príspevku
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    Quoted message said:

    The get fat on a high-carb/low-fat vegetarian diet. So
    much for the low-fat/low-calorie equals weight-loss
    concept. Kinda kicks the calorie theory in the pants
    doesn't it.

    You start to seem as obsessed with calorie theory as is poor
    doe with iron...

    What is wrong with WOE that keeps you satiated at reasonable
    calorie level without counting calories?

    Mirek

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    Quoted message said:

    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> píse v diskusním
    príspevku
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    Quoted message said:

    The get fat on a high-carb/low-fat vegetarian diet. So
    much for the low-fat/low-calorie equals weight-loss
    concept. Kinda kicks the calorie theory in the pants
    doesn't it.

    You start to seem as obsessed with calorie theory as is
    poor doe with iron...

    What is wrong with WOE that keeps you satiated at
    reasonable calorie level without counting calories?

    Mirek

    Exactly my point. If you want to eat right you need to be
    more concerned with amounts of satiating fats and protein
    and restricting refined carbs. Counting calories is entirely
    unnecessary and a distraction from what really works.

    Calories are secondary.

    TC

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    The get fat on a high-carb/low-fat vegetarian diet. So
    much for


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    low-fat/low-calorie equals weight-loss concept. Kinda
    kicks the calorie theory in the pants doesn't it.

    You start to seem as obsessed with calorie theory as is
    poor doe


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    iron...

    What is wrong with WOE that keeps you satiated at
    reasonable calorie level without counting calories?

    Mirek

    Exactly my point. If you want to eat right you need to
    be more concerned with amounts of satiating fats and
    protein and restricting refined carbs. Counting calories
    is entirely unnecessary and a distraction from what
    really works.

    Why do you still insist that calorie theory is wrong?

    Do not get me wrong. I like most of your posts showing carb-
    conspiracy - and I agree that there IS some form of refined
    carb conpiracy (although I think that it is more or less
    unconscius). But these claims, as laid out, tend to decrease
    your credibility... It is possible that you simple explain
    your points unclearly, but...

    Mirek

  6. "Mirek Fidler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> píse v diskusním
    príspevku
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mirek Fidler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

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    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> píse v diskusním
    príspevku -"]news:[email hidden]-
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    > The get fat on a high-carb/low-fat vegetarian diet.
    > So much for


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > low-fat/low-calorie equals weight-loss concept.
    > Kinda kicks the calorie theory in the pants doesn't
    > it.

    You start to seem as obsessed with calorie theory as
    is poor doe


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    iron...

    What is wrong with WOE that keeps you satiated at
    reasonable calorie level without counting calories?

    Mirek

    Exactly my point. If you want to eat right you need to
    be more concerned with amounts of satiating fats and
    protein and restricting refined carbs. Counting calories
    is entirely unnecessary and a distraction from what
    really works.

    Why do you still insist that calorie theory is wrong?

    Do not get me wrong. I like most of your posts showing carb-
    conspiracy - and I agree that there IS some form of
    refined carb conpiracy (although I think that it is more
    or less unconscius). But these claims, as laid out, tend
    to decrease your credibility... It is possible that you
    simple explain your points unclearly, but...

    Mirek

    I don't think that it is wrong in general. Obviously we get
    energy from foods. I just don't think that each food is
    broken down to a fixed number of calories at all times and
    in all circumstances. The human body is not that simple.

    Especially when we are talking about such an unnatural food
    as the refined carbs that are so new to humans.

    I don't think that the numbers calculated can be used to
    accurately predict weight gain or loss. If it was as
    simple as counting and restricting calories, anyone who
    wanted to be thin and puts in even a modicum of effort
    counting calories and increasing their activity levels,
    even a wee bit, would easily, over time lose the weight
    they wanted to lose.

    But we know that that is most definitely not the case. It
    seems that those who try the hardest to lose weight by
    restricting fat and calories and increasing carb intake are
    among those who end up being obese in the end. When I was
    restricting my fat and food intake I got fatter. When I
    started eating way more food on low-carb/high-fat I lost
    weight. And I am not the only one.

    This all goes against the calorie theory, mathematically and
    logically, therefore the calorie theory appears to be a
    gross oversimplification and needs to be re-visited and re-
    researched.

    TC

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