Vegetarianism

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I am so surprised that the vegetarian and vegan NGs on
usenet seem so dead. I just became a vegetarian fairly
recently and was looking for an active discussion forum.

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Not many people take that route. Sooner or later they miss a
juicy hamburger or friend chicken leg. I myself love fruit
and veggies but I also like to see a nice breaded baked
porkchop on my plate as well. :-)
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ToolPackinMama said:

I am so surprised that the vegetarian and vegan NGs on
usenet seem so dead. I just became a vegetarian fairly
recently and was looking for an active discussion forum.

Maybe they all died of malnutrition. See
www.beyondveg.com/index.shtml for details.

It's not impossible to stay healthy on a vegan diet, but
it's not easy.

Tsu Dho Nimh

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ToolPackinMama said:

I am so surprised that the vegetarian and vegan NGs on
usenet seem so dead. I just became a vegetarian fairly
recently and was looking for an active discussion forum.

Maybe they all died of malnutrition. See
www.beyondveg.com/index.shtml for details.

It's not impossible to stay healthy on a vegan diet, but
it's not easy.

::sigh::

/me continues filing her nails, says nothing.

Kim said:

Not many people take that route. Sooner or later they miss
a juicy hamburger or friend chicken leg. I myself love
fruit and veggies but

I also

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like to see a nice breaded baked porkchop on my plate as
well. :-)

Keep the generalizations out of it, please. It's been my
experience that folks who switch to a vegetarian diet seldom
'miss' eating meat. I could very easily transition my family
over to ovolacto-vegetarianism - and we're already very
close - and none of us would miss what little meat we eat.
My husband used to be a 'steak and potatoes' man until he
got serious about running, then he stopped eating red meat
entirely with no regrets. I know plenty of people who have
gone ovolacto or even vegan, and they don't regret it for a
moment. They are healthier and have more energy than they
did when they were still had the 'meat and potatoes'
mentality.

Kimmer kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom

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Tsu Dho Nimh said:

ToolPackinMama said:

I am so surprised that the vegetarian and vegan NGs on
usenet seem so dead. I just became a vegetarian fairly
recently and was looking for an active discussion
forum.

Maybe they all died of malnutrition. See
www.beyondveg.com/index.shtml for details.

It's not impossible to stay healthy on a vegan diet, but
it's not easy.

::sigh::

/me continues filing her nails, says nothing.

"It takes effort to be a well nourished vegetarian" is the
way I'd put
it. Once a person educates themselves about a good
vegetarian diet & takes the time to shop for the foods
(& prepare them) that make up such a diet, it's not a
Herculean task. Of course, the reasons motivating the
person's vegetarianism make a big difference in whether
or not they find it difficult to adhere to. [I'd be
willing to bet that someone whose spiritual or moral
beliefs mandate a meatless diet would find doing so
less of a chore than someone doing it simply because
their significant other wants them to.]

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Kim said:

Not many people take that route. Sooner or later they
miss a juicy hamburger or friend chicken leg. I myself
love fruit and veggies but

I also

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like to see a nice breaded baked porkchop on my plate as
well. :-)

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Keep the generalizations out of it, please. It's been my
experience that folks who switch to a vegetarian diet
seldom 'miss' eating meat.

Maybe YOU need to keep generalizations out of it because in
my experience ALL but one of them eventually went back to
eating meat. And that ONE is now eating "beef gravy" on his
mashed spuds.

I

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could very easily transition my family over to ovolacto-
vegetarianism - and we're already very close - and none of
us would miss what little meat we eat.

Then don't GENERALIZE as other people do miss meat after
awhile - just like those on strict Atkins start to crave
carbohydrates.

My husband used to be a 'steak and potatoes' man until

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he got serious about running, then he stopped eating red
meat entirely with no regrets.

Don't generalize because of your husband. I've known many
people to go the vegetarian route and didn't last more than
a year or two on it. Several suffered from anemia and had to
get B12 shots, then take supplements.

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I know plenty of people who have gone ovolacto or even
vegan, and they don't regret it for a moment. They are
healthier and have more energy than they did when they
were still had the 'meat and potatoes' mentality.

And those on low-carb, high protein (meat) diets are
claiming the SAME thing - more energy, better sleep etc.
Just check one of their posting boards or NGs.

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Kim said:

Don't generalize because of your husband. I've known many
people to go the vegetarian route and didn't last more
than a year or two on it.

Actually, I was one of those people, once. I tried to go
vegetarian once before, but didn't last, because (I now
realize) I wasn't doing it right. A vegetarian diet isn't
satisfying and healthful unless you lay off of the junk
food, and emphasize high-fiber, high-nutrition foods.

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And those on low-carb, high protein (meat) diets are
claiming the SAME thing - more energy, better sleep etc.
Just check one of their posting boards or NGs.

That's true. I was on a high protein, low carb diet, before
I abandoned meat completely. The more research I did, the
more I realized that the whole high-protein thing is a
flawed idea. For one thing, too much protein is not good for
you. For another thing, it's not really a healthy diet if
you can't eat fruit.

Hi I am vegetarian (lacto ovo) and I feel fine, have done
for many years now (18 years?) As for the [censored] about
meat etc - it's all lies - I used to actively do a lot of
high cardio sports, (karate kung fu etc) and recently (some
heart charity) had their wagons out in the streets, testing
people. The woman was shocked at my heart rate and wanted to
know why it was so low. She asked me if I did sports, which
I told her yes I did. Anth

"ToolPackinMama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am so surprised that the vegetarian and vegan NGs on
usenet seem so dead. I just became a vegetarian fairly
recently and was looking for an active discussion forum.

Kim said:

"Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
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Kim said:

Not many people take that route. Sooner or later they
miss a

juicy

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hamburger or friend chicken leg. I myself love fruit
and veggies

but

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I also

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like to see a nice breaded baked porkchop on my plate
as well.

:-)

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Keep the generalizations out of it, please. It's been my
experience that folks who switch to a vegetarian diet
seldom 'miss' eating

meat.

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Maybe YOU need to keep generalizations out of it
because in my

experience

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ALL but one of them eventually went back to eating meat.
And that ONE

is

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now eating "beef gravy" on his mashed spuds.

I did not generalize. I said, 'in my experience', meaning
only the cases I know. Hardly applies universally.

You stop generalizing based on your experiences, okay? Your
claim that, and I quote, "Sooner or later they miss a juicy
hamburger or friend (good spelling error, BTW) chicken
leg.", does not apply to all, as my experience indicates
otherwise.

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I

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could very easily transition my family over to

ovolacto-vegetarianism -

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and we're already very close - and none of us would miss
what little meat we eat.

Then don't GENERALIZE as other people do miss meat after
awhile - just

like

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those on strict Atkins start to crave carbohydrates.

I didn't generalize. I even said 'in my experience',
indicating that it's not a universal statement. The people I
know did not miss meat, and the ones who did early morning
workouts said that they noticed right away that they didn't
have a heavy feeling in their stomachs that they had after
eating a dinner containing meat. Again, just in my
experience.

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My husband used to be a 'steak and potatoes' man until

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he got serious about running, then he stopped eating
red meat

entirely

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with no regrets.

Don't generalize because of your husband. I've known many
people to

go the

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vegetarian route and didn't last more than a year or
two on it.

Several

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suffered from anemia and had to get B12 shots, then take
supplements.

Excuse me. Again, I wasn't the one who made the sweeping
claim that, and I quote from your post, "Sooner or later
they miss a juicy hamburger or friend chicken leg. " I am
being specific. I even stated 'in my experience' to show
that this does not apply to the rest of the world, just the
many people I have known who have changed to a vegetarian
diet and have not gone back.

Latest recommendations are that everyone, no matter what
diet one follows, should take a good multivitamin every day.
Vegetarianism done properly, with education and planning,
can make people healthier than their previous diets. Again,
just in my experience.

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I know plenty of people who have gone ovolacto or even
vegan, and

they

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don't regret it for a moment. They are healthier and
have more

energy

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than they did when they were still had the 'meat and
potatoes' mentality.

And those on low-carb, high protein (meat) diets are
claiming the SAME thing - more energy, better sleep etc.
Just check one of their

posting

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boards or NGs.

I'd rather not, as I have no desire to do the so-called 'low
carb' thing. Yes, I know these people make these claims, and
that's all well and good if it works for them. I did see,
however, a long-term study showing that the weight doesn't
stay off in the long run. The big thing in weight loss is
taking in fewer calories than one uses every day. Common
sense, that. I know that the so-called 'low carb' diet would
not work for me; I tried something like this years ago and
gained weight as a result. I would be generalizing is I
claimed that low-carb diets won't work for everyone just
because they don't work for me, but I would never say that.
I know people who have had great success with Atkins and
others who have not. Not everyone has the same metabolism,
and some will be able to process high-protein diets better
than others. Fine and dandy. To each their own. I will just
keep doing what I've been doing to lose weight in a slow and
sensible manner to keep it off for longer. 25 pounds down
and going strong, on a mostly vegetarian diet, too.

Kimmer kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom

I was a vegetarian in college, for about two years, in the
early '70s.

The smell of bacon was soooo good.

I still am not a big meat person. Prime rib really
turns me off.

j.