vitamin supplements

"gravelmuncher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Been wondering if supplements of vitamins C and E have helpful effects on the body during a
season. Are there other's which deserve consideration?

I can dig out "Serious Cycling" and see what Mr. Burke says...

"US RDA for VitC is 60mg per day, many researchers recommend 250-1000mg per day to prevent cell
damage, serve as an antioxidant, prevent heart disease and help prevent cancer."

"US RDA for VitA is 5000IU per day. Many people believe you need 10,000 - 20,000 IU of VitA to fight
infections and battle free radicals"

"There is no RDA for Beta Carotene, but most scientists recommend a minimum intake of 5-10mg daily"

"US RDA for VitE is 30 IU, but studies have used much higher levels, up to 800IU, for three years
without finding toxic effects. Minimum of 200-800IU is recommended for people who exrcise intensely
or routinely experience air pollution during exercise."

He also mentions: Glutathione, N-Acetyl Cysteine, Selenium, Zinc, Bioflavinoids.

"Eat lots of fresh fruits and vegetables and whole grains"

"Many experts now recommend enhancing antioxidant intake with vitamin, mineral and herb supplements"

Iron also gets quite a mention as being important. RDA if menstruating is 18mg, if not 10mg. Lean
meat 3 times a week, plenty of VitC to help absorb the iron. Also beans, spinach, broccoli, prunes.

This is only one source of information though and it has been paraphrased by yours truly, so read at
your own leisure.. err i mean risk.

(the low-iron) hippy
P.S. I have more of these luverly numbers and stats to spill forth if you want to hear them ;-)

hippy said:

"US RDA for VitA is 5000IU per day. Many people believe you need 10,000 - 20,000 IU of VitA to
fight infections and battle free radicals"

Be very careful with this one. Overdose deaths have occurred (albeit explorers eating polar
bear liver).

I've recently read that pregnant women are now thought to put the baby's health at risk with this
sort of dose.

And long-term use at 10,000 IU per day can accumulate to a clinical overdose. I once thought I had a
brain tumour because of very, very severe sharp stabbing headaches, that occurred several times a
day for over a year. Within 2 days of stopping vitamin A, they disappeared completely, and have not
come back (15 years ago now). So now I take about 20,000 IU per week - but in winter only (it's not
for nothing that animals in cold climates have very high concentrations in the liver).

John

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Be very careful with this one. Overdose deaths have occurred (albeit explorers eating polar
bear liver).

Polar bear liver!? What the?! Why not their juicy brains? ;-)

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So now I take about 20,000 IU per week - but in winter only (it's not for nothing that animals in
cold climates have very high concentrations in the liver).

But they would be getting it all naturally - when was the last time Sir David Attinburough(sp?)
explained that the polar bear was struggling with the lid of its pill bottle because it was one of
the new child proof ones?

Snakes, spiders, etc contain venom - should we?

I don't think finding high concentrations of a substance in animals is sufficient reason for dosing
up on it. I would be looking into its effects on humans.

hippy popped VitC this morning to appease the supplement gods

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"US RDA for VitA is 5000IU per day. Many people believe you need 10,000 - 20,000 IU of VitA to
fight infections and battle free radicals"

The Australian RDA is 2500IU per day. Excessive VitA has been proven to be dangerous, 8000IU per day
being about the threshold. Pregnant women especially should be careful not to take too much.

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Be very careful with this one. Overdose deaths have occurred (albeit explorers eating polar bear
liver).

Polar bear liver!? What the?! Why not their juicy brains? ;-)

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So now I take about 20,000 IU per week - but in winter only (it's not for nothing that animals
in cold climates have very high concentrations in the liver).

But they would be getting it all naturally - when was the last time Sir David Attinburough(sp?)
explained that the polar bear was struggling with the lid of its pill bottle because it was one of
the new child proof ones?

Snakes, spiders, etc contain venom - should we?

I don't think finding high concentrations of a substance in animals is sufficient reason for
dosing up on it. I would be looking into its effects on humans.

hippy popped VitC this morning to appease the supplement gods

When one considers the fact that some of our biggest vitamin manufacturers hadn't been putting
vitamins into the vitamin tablets they were sellling, and nobody seemed to have noticed, I suggest
you'd be better off taking a good course of placebos.

Marty

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When one considers the fact that some of our biggest vitamin manufacturers hadn't been putting
vitamins into the vitamin tablets they were sellling, and nobody seemed to have noticed, I suggest
you'd be better off taking a good course of placebos.

It wasn't that bad was it? I thought they were just adding floor scrapings to existing pills... bit
of rat poo here, sawdust there, you know? ;-)

I wish there was some conclusive proof one way or the other as to how useful various supplements
are. 'Serious Cycling' seems to favour the use of various antioxidant supplements but they are
expensive, possibly harmful in the wrong dosage, may not even be the substance you are paying for
and might not even be doing anything! On the other hand, their seems to be evidence that some of
these supplements actually do you good.. why can't it be a simpler choice!!

hippy mumble stupid grumble pills mumble

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I wish there was some conclusive proof one way or the other as to how useful various
supplements are.

The AIS uses Cenovis, which tells you two things. Firstly, vitamin pills do you some good. Two,
don't waste your money on the super-duper NASA-designed mega-ultra-slow release jumbo economy size
pills. The ones at the supermarket are good enough.

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Be very careful with this one. Overdose deaths have occurred (albeit explorers eating polar bear
liver).

Polar bear liver!? What the?! Why not their juicy brains? ;-)

Maybe because their brains are warped by too much BUNDY RUM LOL

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So now I take about 20,000 IU per week - but in winter only (it's not for nothing that animals
in cold climates have very high concentrations in the liver).

But they would be getting it all naturally - when was the last time Sir David Attinburough(sp?)
explained that the polar bear was struggling with the lid of its pill bottle because it was one of
the new child proof ones?

Snakes, spiders, etc contain venom - should we?

I don't think finding high concentrations of a substance in animals is sufficient reason for
dosing up on it. I would be looking into its effects on humans.

hippy popped VitC this morning to appease the supplement gods