Wainwright Books

On 20 Feb 2006 02:44:05 -0800, "214Fells" <[email hidden]> wrote:

|In light of Paul's questions, just thought I'd add a Wainwright centric
|few questions:
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|[1] Have you bought Books 1-7?

No
|
|[2] Have you bought Book 8 [Outliers]?

No
|
|[3] Are you buying the revised Jesty editions?

No

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214Fells schrieb:

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In light of Paul's questions, just thought I'd add a Wainwright centric
few questions:

[1] Have you bought Books 1-7?

Yes

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[2] Have you bought Book 8 [Outliers]?

Yes

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[3] Are you buying the revised Jesty editions?

No.

Walter
--
Ne pète pas plus haut que ton cul.

[1] Yes, I've even managed to put together a set of first impressions.

[2] Yes, but haven't thought about visiting them all. That's for when I get
old(er).

[3] Yes, but it's interesting to note that some major paths are still
omitted!

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Quoted message said:

In light of Paul's questions, just thought I'd add a Wainwright centric
few questions:

[1] Have you bought Books 1-7?

[2] Have you bought Book 8 [Outliers]?

[3] Are you buying the revised Jesty editions?

David.

[BTW my answer is affirmative to all questions above!]

Dave Fawthrop said:

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In light of Paul's questions, just thought I'd add a Wainwright
centric few questions:

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No
No
No

I agree with Dave. :-)

Paul

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In light of Paul's questions, just thought I'd add a Wainwright centric
few questions:

Quoted message said:

[1] Have you bought Books 1-7?

Quoted message said:

[2] Have you bought Book 8 [Outliers]?

Quoted message said:

[3] Are you buying the revised Jesty editions?

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[BTW my answer is affirmative to all questions above!]

I have them all but cannot answer yes to bought all as my father bought
Books One and Four (both first impressions) and maybe Book 3 (third
impression).

--
Roger Chapman

214Fells said:

In light of Paul's questions, just thought I'd add a Wainwright centric
few questions:

[1] Have you bought Books 1-7?

[2] Have you bought Book 8 [Outliers]?

[3] Are you buying the revised Jesty editions?

David.

[BTW my answer is affirmative to all questions above!]

Yes to 1 and 2. I used a school book prize to fund the purchase of 1-7
reckoning that they would last a lot longer than any textbooks. I also
have Coast to Coast, Howgill Fells and Limestone Country. I have read
Fellwanderer but don't yet own a copy.

I consider Jesty an iconoclast who has missed the point completely.

Wainwright's guides are the documentation of one man's solitary love
affair with the Lakeland Fells and later his explorations of other
similarly iconic Northern hill landscapes. They are not meant as a
prosaic recipe for treks from A to B taking in this hill or that. The
Lakeland Guides in particular were his way of putting some shape on his
hillwalking, so as to come to know as completely as he could all the
details of his most specially favourite hills.

His full titles give it away: "Pictorial Guide to the Lakeland Fells:
Being an Illustrated Account of a Study and Exploration of the Mountains
in the English Lake District". Not a book of routes.

The nature of his obsession required that he complete the manuscripts
and publish them, but by his own admission he did not expect them to
make a great impression. In this he underestimated the huge appeal of
his craftsman's approach, handlettering all the content (none of it is
typeset) around his own illustrations, to produce what are indisputably
works of art.

Jesty *defaces the art* by his revisions.

To put it another way: You wouldn't use Whymper's "Scrambles Amongst The
Alps" as a guide to how to climb the Matterhorn, would you? Yet it is
still an essential read for anyone interested in mountain exploration.

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Wainwright's guides are the documentation of one man's solitary love
affair with the Lakeland Fells and later his explorations of other
similarly iconic Northern hill landscapes. They are not meant as a
prosaic recipe for treks from A to B taking in this hill or that. The
Lakeland Guides in particular were his way of putting some shape on
his hillwalking, so as to come to know as completely as he could all
the details of his most specially favourite hills.

His full titles give it away: "Pictorial Guide to the Lakeland Fells:
Being an Illustrated Account of a Study and Exploration of the
Mountains in the English Lake District". Not a book of routes.

Very well said, Alan. I can't comment on the Jesty revisions themselves
(not having seen one yet) but if I was looking to replace my set it
would be with older ones. They're the only books I've ever wished I had
in first edition - and not because of the monetary value now associated
with them.

The "Wainwright Maps of the Lakeland Fells" series got it right, I
reckon. They were not updated, just presented differently, and the
writeup on the back covers reflects the same sentiments that you
express. "Armchair reflections" is a key phrase....

Stuart

Following up to 214Fells

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[1] Have you bought Books 1-7?

yes

Quoted message said:

[2] Have you bought Book 8 [Outliers]?

yes

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[3] Are you buying the revised Jesty editions?

no, don't feel the need. Hardly ever consult anything in the ELD
any more.
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To put it another way: You wouldn't use Whymper's "Scrambles Amongst The
Alps" as a guide to how to climb the Matterhorn, would you? Yet it is
still an essential read for anyone interested in mountain exploration.

but then you can use Wainwright to put together walks in the ELD
and to appreciate whats around you...especially if recent changes
are added.
I havent seen the amended books but I would consider them if I
lost mine.
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Alan Dicey <[email hidden]>

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The nature of his obsession required that he complete the manuscripts
and publish them, but by his own admission he did not expect them to
make a great impression. In this he underestimated the huge appeal of
his craftsman's approach, handlettering all the content (none of it is
typeset) around his own illustrations, to produce what are indisputably
works of art.

Which is why I won't touch any of the non-Westmorland Gazette [1]
versions with a ten foot pole, because they put a little bit of
printed typset stuff in (if they really needed that they could have
put it in as a removable insert). Oh, and the faked writing to stick
their copyright message in. If they had all been typeset originally
then none of this would worry me in the slightest, but as it is I have
to resort to second hand bookshops for missing ones.

[1] Apart from the ones he published himself before WG took over, but
I've never seen one of those.

--
Simon Challands

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The nature of his obsession required that he complete the manuscripts
and publish them, but by his own admission he did not expect them to
make a great impression. In this he underestimated the huge appeal of
his craftsman's approach, handlettering all the content (none of it is
typeset) around his own illustrations, to produce what are indisputably
works of art.

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Which is why I won't touch any of the non-Westmorland Gazette [1]
versions with a ten foot pole, because they put a little bit of
printed typset stuff in (if they really needed that they could have
put it in as a removable insert). Oh, and the faked writing to stick
their copyright message in. If they had all been typeset originally
then none of this would worry me in the slightest, but as it is I have
to resort to second hand bookshops for missing ones.

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[1] Apart from the ones he published himself before WG took over, but
I've never seen one of those.

Book One was Published by Henry Marshall, printed by Bateman and
Hewitson Ltd from engravings by The Northern Photo-engraving Co Ltd. By
book 4 (the only other first impression I have) the engraver had changed
to Westmorland Gazette Ltd.

My Book Five (eighth impression) was engraved, printed and published by
Westmorland but the publisher tag is on a stick-on label obscuring the
original message about Henry Marshall.

--
Roger Chapman

214Fells said:

[1] Have you bought Books 1-7?

Yes, and they are my constant companions on the Fells.

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[2] Have you bought Book 8 [Outliers]?

Yes

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[3] Are you buying the revised Jesty editions?

Probably not. I don't have any issue with the guides being revised
sympathetically for those who want to use them as such. But I agree with
Alan Dicey: the books are actually testimony to AW's (and many of his
readers'😉 love of the hills. For me, that's where their value lies. I
bought a boxed set of the "remastered" originals recently, and am now
starting to mark up my original walking copies with details of path changes
and such like. Much as AW would have liked, though I probably won't do it
neatly enough for him!

Mark
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[3] Are you buying the revised Jesty editions?

What about the Mark Richards' books? His earlier books were obviously
and explicitly influenced by Wainwright - especially his Cornish coast
and Offa's Dyke guides, to a slightly lesser extent his Peak books.

His more recent series on the Pond District follows the same breakdown
of areas as Wainwright's 1-7, uses the familiar Richards emulation of
Wainwright's mapping style - but tends to use photos rather than line
drawings to further illustrate the hills. I would suggest a better way
of modernising Wainwright than the iconoclastic Jesty approach. I think
Richards has now reached volume 4 - but I may be wrong.

John Nuttall and Paul Hannon - also both seem to have been influenced by
Wainwright in the style of their line drawings. Interestingly enough, he
does not seem to have had any influence north of the border - I cannot
think of any book in my collection that borrows anything from Wainwright
- other than his own mountain drawings.
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56/89 Donalds - 37% to go 502/1554 Marilyns - 68% to go
376/525 Hewitts - 28% to go (E=178/178; W=137/137; I=61/211)

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[1] Apart from the ones he published himself before WG took over, but
I've never seen one of those.

Book One was Published by Henry Marshall, printed by Bateman and
Hewitson Ltd from engravings by The Northern Photo-engraving Co Ltd. By
book 4 (the only other first impression I have) the engraver had changed
to Westmorland Gazette Ltd.

Quote from "Fellwanderer":
" I was helped at first by Henry Marshall, the Kendal Librarian, who
attended to the distribution and despatch of the books. He advised me
that it would never do for my name to appear both as author and
publisher - a sure indication that no recognised publisher could be
persuaded to undertake the responsibility - ans so I borrowed his
name, which, in any case, had more dignity than mine."

--
Simon Challands

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[3] Are you buying the revised Jesty editions?

What about the Mark Richards' books? His earlier books were obviously
and explicitly influenced by Wainwright - especially his Cornish coast
and Offa's Dyke guides, to a slightly lesser extent his Peak books.

His more recent series on the Pond District follows the same breakdown
of areas as Wainwright's 1-7, uses the familiar Richards emulation of
Wainwright's mapping style - but tends to use photos rather than line
drawings to further illustrate the hills. I would suggest a better way
of modernising Wainwright than the iconoclastic Jesty approach. I think
Richards has now reached volume 4 - but I may be wrong.

John Nuttall and Paul Hannon - also both seem to have been influenced
by Wainwright in the style of their line drawings. Interestingly
enough, he does not seem to have had any influence north of the border
- I cannot think of any book in my collection that borrows anything
from Wainwright - other than his own mountain drawings.

I have a couple of mark Richard's books of Derbyshire, and Paul Hannon's
Yorkshire Dales, and, like Wainwrights, they are a pleasure to browse
through and compare with one's knowledge of the areas.

The Nuttalls supply a modest walk every Saturday in the Manchester
Evening News which is about the right level to encourage newcomers to
walking. They are also adequate for us these winter days. ;-)
--
Gordon Harris

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John Nuttall and Paul Hannon - also both seem to have been influenced by
Wainwright in the style of their line drawings. Interestingly enough, he
does not seem to have had any influence north of the border - I cannot
think of any book in my collection that borrows anything from Wainwright
- other than his own mountain drawings.

I consider Wainwright to be a fine drawer, but not the images in the
Nuttall books.
I dont mean to [censored] them off as I have and use them, but
draughtsmanship is not their stong suit.

I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong, but they are images derived
from photographs, and if I am wrong then it is still a valid criticisim
of their draughtsmanship that it looks so.
The composition indicates photos, the lines chosen indicates photos,
especialy, lines used for outlines.